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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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King_Moc

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Tak3n said:
the more I read about what the tories feel they need to do I am surprised they want power back, if they implemented half of those savage cuts they would face wipe out at the next election surely
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It still doesn't affect their core voters. Outside of them, they just rely on convincing poor people that the lie of them saving the country from labours mess is more important than their own well being.
 
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kitch9

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Miles Quaritch said:
That's a very black and white view.

Maybe it was doing okay but became poorer until the Coalition? Five years is ample time for a county to go from being able to fund some projects and keep libraries open to funding nothing and shutting most libraries.
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Not really, the only news I can find on the Cornwall economy is good. Very good in fact.

It appears that sign in the window is a waste of paper.
 
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kitch9

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King_Moc said:
It still doesn't affect their core voters. Outside of them, they just rely on convincing poor people that the lie of them saving the country from labours mess is more important than their own well being.
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Poor peoples well being isn't just about how much free stuff they are given though.
 
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Tak3n

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newsnights prediction

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so the question becomes would a Con+Lib+DUP+Ukip at 316 seats mean they could go for it?
 
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BossDarkseid

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Psycho_Mantis said:
I've always seen this as an extremely naive criticism. So what if he went to Eton? You should judge how understanding a candidate is on the things they say, the policies they bring forth etc
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As someone else mentioned...

(paraphrasing)

"I don't care if he went to Eton, as long as he listens to the ones who didn't".

WHich is exactly how I feel, yet I don't feel most of the Conservatives do (I'm feeling optimistic so I'll say they probably do have some good people)...Contrasting with Labour i've mellowed on Ed Miliband a tad, but I still feel some of the people in Labour's shadow front bench are not that great and while I feel they're probably better than the Tories I still feel we need a New New Labour to have the party get back to what it was meant to be...The Greens feel like they have some pipe dream policies (zero tuition fees after a BS 9k per year is probably unworkable unless they literally empty the accounts of the top 1%)...

I'd probably go with Lib Dems if they stood a chance and were more Lib Dem that Diet Tory...I feel we'll end up with a Labour minority backed up by others or a Labour coalition, but while I'm all for the devolution of powers to other parts of the UK...I'd rather Labour go solo then team up with the SNP. No idea why.

As it stands I'll probably vote Labour, although my constituency has been a Con majority for 15 years or so...A few friends, for whom this is their first election, are voting Tory or Labour...mostly not really knowing too much about everything. Part of me feels we should start a GAF Party. Not being (that) serious...

Still think IDS is a twat. I don't know anyone on benefits etc or anyone who has been affected by the bedroom tax etc but from what (little) i know of it...it sounds pretty fucked up.
 
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Tak3n

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Goodlife said:
Lab + SNP + Green + PC could vote down that at the Queens speech though
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agreed but I read today that the tories would still have 14 days to produce a queens speech to pass, and they would only need 6 votes from somewhere....

I am not saying it is workable but the rhetoric from the con camp and the lib dem camp suggest to me they are going to try everything.....

The BBC said today the queen may not present the queens speech if it is going to get voted down
 
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kmag

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Since I can't copy and paste from the Times

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The sad thing is they'll still get around 5% of the Scottish vote by the looks of things.
 
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Orbis

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Tak3n said:
newsnights prediction


so the question becomes would a Con+Lib+DUP+Ukip at 316 seats mean they could go for it?
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But in opposition you'd have at least 318 from Lab+SNP. Then add on 1 Green and 3 Plaid and the coalition you describe surely has no chance.

Based on that projection you would need a Lab + Lib + SNP coalition for any kind of government that would last a month.

EDIT: Already been said. But yeah I just think that would be too difficult to pass anything and would not last very long at all.
 
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Faddy

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Goodlife said:
Lab + SNP + Green + PC could vote down that at the Queens speech though
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Add a couple for SDLP who are on Labour side and possible a couple of independents who are more sympathetic to Labour than Tory e.g. George Galloway and it becomes impossible for Cameron even on that derisory a Labour showing
 
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Hasney

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Hellers said:
UKIP candidate suspended

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/robert-blay-ukip-suspends-parliamentary-5641537

Watch the video. It's amazing
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What an absolute bastard the Tory MPs father must be. Coming over here, training as an accountant and then I'm assuming getting a job as one and paying taxes here. Then he has the nerve to have a son here and have him become a politician that has now had a kid himself. Thank god we have people like that UKIP candidate to call them out on it.

It shouldn't be required, but /s.

Holy shit, what is wrong with that guy?
 
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sammex

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kitch9 said:
Not really, the only news I can find on the Cornwall economy is good. Very good in fact.

It appears that sign in the window is a waste of paper.
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No it's not. From last year

Cornwall is the UK's poorest region - and is now less wealthy than Poland, Lithuania and Hungary... Cornwall is ranked equally with the Welsh valleys as the poorest part of the UK, and is in the top ten most deprived areas in western Europe.

Average wages in Britain stand at £23,300. Statistics produced by Eurostat - the EU's equivalent of the office of national statistics - show average wages in the Duchy now stand at £14,300 a year

"Worse than ever" poverty sees increased use in Camborne Pool Redruth Foodbank.

Poverty in Camborne, Redruth and Pool is worse than ever according to a charity co-ordinator.Figures show a rise from 6,500 meals provided in April 2013 to 8,500 in April 2014.

CORNWALL'S economic performance is now the worst in the UK, official figures have revealed.

While the UK economy grew by 4.2 per cent in 2011-12, Cornwall's gross value added, the standard measurement of economic performance, dropped by 3.3 per cent.
 
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Vashetti

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King_Moc said:
The actual average wage there is £14,300? Damn. I'd struggle to live on that I think.
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By comparison that would be a dream wage for me.

I can live on a really low amount. £385 rent. Don't pay water, there's no gas in the flat and electric's on a meter.
 
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King_Moc

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Vashetti said:
By comparison that would be a dream wage for me.

I can live on a really low amount. £385 rent. Don't pay water, there's no gas in the flat and electric's on a meter.
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It being on the south coast makes me think it can't be too cheap to live there. Maybe the low pay would dictate otherwise though. It's been awhile since I've been there.
 
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Tak3n

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King_Moc said:
It being on the south coast makes me think it can't be too cheap to live there. Maybe the low pay would dictate otherwise though. It's been awhile since I've been there.
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Norfolk is full of places like that as well Burnham Market, and now Wells next to the Sea, wages are really poor but houses are very expensive
 
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kmag

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King_Moc said:
The actual average wage there is £14,300? Damn. I'd struggle to live on that I think.
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It's actually just worse than low wages down there, the house prices in Cornwall are comparatively higher than the England and Wales average while the wages are lower. This is due to the number of people buying houses as holiday homes.

The road and rail infrastructure down there is comparable to some parts of the highlands, but there's a lot more people down there.
 
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kmag

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faridmon said:
Someone enlighten me, why the fuck do we care about what Russel Brand regarding his vote?

He is an asshole anyway....
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No one really cares about Brand, it was an interesting diversion for the media for a day or two in the longest and safest election campaign in modern British history

Miliband easily talked him in knots, and I don't particularly rate Ed at all.
 
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CyclopsRock

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King_Moc said:
It being on the south coast makes me think it can't be too cheap to live there. Maybe the low pay would dictate otherwise though. It's been awhile since I've been there.
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Tbh I'm not sure about Cornwall, but there are definitely parts of the South Coast which are very, very cheap (and shitty, which is why they're cheap). Brighton's obviously cray-cray expensive but places like Camber in East Sussex you can get 2 bedroom flats for under £90k. Obviously the jobs market round there is crappy (especially in Winter) but you can get to London in about an hour from the closest station (which is admittedly a few miles away).

Edit: I remember driving down to Cornwall once and found it bizarre that the "main route" from London to Newquay got gradually worse as you got further and further away, with a pretty steep drop past Bristol. At some points it was like a small country road, and this was THE MAIN way there. Savages.
 
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Ravensmash

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Such a shame that my constituency is such a boring tory safe hold.

Actually had someone argue that they despise the outgoing MP, but they're going to vote for her anyway because she's conservative.

Reduce her bloody majority!
 
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King_Moc

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kmag said:
It's actually just worse than low wages down there, the house prices in Cornwall are comparatively higher than the England and Wales average while the wages are lower. This is due to the number of people buying houses as holiday homes.

The road and rail infrastructure down there is comparable to some parts of the highlands, but there's a lot more people down there.
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I can't understand the sort of person that has enough money to buy a holiday home in Cornwall, but won't just holiday abroad instead. I was thinking well off retirees maybe. Must be a few of those.

faridmon said:
Someone enlighten me, why the fuck do we care about what Russel Brand regarding his vote?

He is an asshole anyway....
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He's a bit silly, and he got the no voting thing wrong, but I think he means well. I can't judge him too harshly.

TeddyBoy said:
Apparently it's a seasonal wage, they get paid the average wages in the summer and then once winter hits the jobs just stop due to a lack of tourists :/
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That makes a lot of sense I guess. Though it's completely unviable for the people doing it.
 
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Tak3n said:
Norfolk is full of places like that as well Burnham Market, and now Wells next to the Sea, wages are really poor but houses are very expensive
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Yeah wages in Norfolk were terrible when I lived there, since I moved to London I can't imagine going back. Colleague at work was shocked when I told him how much I used to be on for doing the same job.
 
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CyclopsRock

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I love that he randomly - lol - went by Ted. I mean, I know Gideon does it, as does Anthony Blair but still. Can't fault him though, he was a kid.

I sometimes wish I'd gotten more involved in the politics at university. Being an ex-poly with no "older brother" university it was almost exclusively inhabited by people with genuine special educational needs and who could barely piss straight, so I think I'd have rocked it with my band of guerilla politics and ability to really stir up racial tension to my advantage.

(that's a joke btw. I'm rubbish at guerilla politics).
 
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iMax

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Is anyone else getting incredibly irritated with UKIP being printed everywhere as 'Ukip'?

I bet it's just me.
 
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QuicheFontaine

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CyclopsRock said:
Tbh I'm not sure about Cornwall, but there are definitely parts of the South Coast which are very, very cheap (and shitty, which is why they're cheap). Brighton's obviously cray-cray expensive but places like Camber in East Sussex you can get 2 bedroom flats for under £90k. Obviously the jobs market round there is crappy (especially in Winter) but you can get to London in about an hour from the closest station (which is admittedly a few miles away).

Edit: I remember driving down to Cornwall once and found it bizarre that the "main route" from London to Newquay got gradually worse as you got further and further away, with a pretty steep drop past Bristol. At some points it was like a small country road, and this was THE MAIN way there. Savages.
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Exeter shurely? The M5 gets you all the way down there.

Agree that the drop off is pretty shocking after that though.
 
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