They're terrified. I don't recall them being this bad before.
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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They're terrified. I don't recall them being this bad before.
Yeh it's kind of disgusting really, freedom of the press shouldn't just let them print garbage like that.
To a point yeah, but I can at least understand the reasoning behind it. In that if people just spread lies about a candidate in the weeks leading up to an election, and damages that person's reputation, that I can see as being quite problematic to a fair election campaign.
Farage had issue with what was claimed within the joke which he said was untrue. He believed it was a violation of Section 106
As I posted before:
JonathanEx
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The best bit is that about half an hour before the front page, there was a joke in Ballot Monkeys that the Tories would go back to the bacon sandwich as it was the only thing that worked of their campaign.
Also the sun decides to print that hilarious bacon sandwich eating picture again despite the fact that making it personal hasn't worked the one million times they have tried it
What an odious rag it is.
I can't believe how low they're stooping. I really hope they've underestimated the public and people will be put off by this crap. At the very least it shows they're afraid.
I try not to wish death on people but the world really will be a better place when Murdoch is dead.
I hate to quote Jeremy Clarkson (or indeed Farage), but it was clearly a "just a joke". She was just taking the piss out of the fact that Farage has barely been to his supposed constituency, it was obvious exaggeration. There's a reason the police basically just laughed at them.
IdreamofHIME
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It wos The Sun wot lost it.
it was great when they change tack and tried to make him out as some super shrewd, ruthless politician who would stop at nothing to get power. Can't really go back to Mr Bean and laughing at him eating a sandwich after that.
A new low. Hopefully gets reported to the police for death threats.
But so not racist, right? The few posters here that defended them always posted thinly-veiled racist BS.
I never saw it so I don't know. It was just what I read. I'm not even voting for UKIP anyway so it doesn't matter.
The point I originally made is that, the attack on free speech coming from Labour and the tories, I find quite a bad path to go down.
You can, because you're targeting Sun readers.
I really worry that what people really want here is to be able to say stuff like "paki" again. Their manifesto from 2010 had stuff in it about allowing discrimination at work again and stopping people filing unfair dismissal cases if they'd not been there a certain amount of time. It just all seemed like stuff that played into the hands of racists. What is the problem with free speech as we currently have it, really?
QuicheFontaine
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Don't forget: he's also a sex fiend / awkward nerd.
WayneMorse
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He backed Cam.
Who said this person wasn't racist?
I am the last person to speak about them. If you are referring to me in anyway then I suggest you show me the post that is thinly-veiled racist BS. If you are not referring to me then forget it.
Well, I gave an example of something Ed Miliband said already. He wants to make 'Islamophobia' a crime. As I said in my previous post, depending on how broadly that is defined, it would be a bad path to go down.
The reason is kind of obvious. It could make legitimate criticism of Islam a crime. Where is the line drawn? Would something like Charlie Hebdo be able to exist in this country with this new law for instance?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnis...-islamophobic-that-i-have-to-say-all-at-once/
This seems to have become a trend in this country. For example, the Tories were proposing to ban non-violent extremism. That is the exact opposite to what Ed Miliband is proposing here, but I also find that problematic.
Edit: I can understand the fear with things like discrimination laws, but what I will say is this isn't actually something that strays from standard Libertarian thought. Most Libertarian parties would do the same thing.
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That's what our government needs, more focus on poor neglected London. Doesn't matter if other parts of the country are some of the poorest in Europe, just keep pumping more and more money into London, that'll fix it.
I'm feeling way too ragey at journalism today
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Go to London. I guarantee you'll either be mugged or not appreciated.
No offence to any Londoners here, but this is why a lot of people outside London hate you.
Of course, I personally don't believe this is anyway representative of what you all think.
But when people see this, it's another thing that'll feed that perception.
Anti-semitism is illegal in the UK already and not many complain, I don't see why this would be any different. Given Miliband's Jewish heritage, i'd like to think he'd be extra careful not to fuck it up in any way. I know a muslim who immediately changed his mind about voting for Labour once he found out he was Jewish. I had to explain he was an atheist and wanted Palestine to be made it's own state in order to talk him back round. So it's potentially a sensitive issue.
The Charlie Hebdo thing couldn't happen here anyway, as our charming media, who're normally so keen on saying something negative about muslims, suddenly found out that they had no balls whatsoever.
Edit: and please don't listen to articles that contain phrases like "the forthcoming Labour/SNP coalition from hell". That's not journalism, that's advertising for Cameron.
Ah, just looked into the Spectator a bit more. Tax avoiders and a history of having staff move from there into the Conservative party. Seek your unbiased journalism elsewhere.
Sun lost the 2010 election for the Tories win their terrible soldiers widow story that revealed the nastiness of the Tory press and reminded people Gordon was human.
CyclopsRock
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But why? London has some of the highest levels of deprevation in the UK. It also have some of the highest levels of wealth, but that doesn't help the poor fucks on council estates.
Note: What I'm about to say is why you should hate my super-race of Londoners, not that front page: London is basically an extreme version of more or less everything in the UK. The things that make it an amazing city - the culture, the kooky Shoreditch bars where you have to ask to see "the mayor of Scaredy-Cat Town" before you're allowed in, the museums, architecture, large green spaces, Boris, the worlds largest array of prostitutes, the world's highest density of Pret a Mangers, the best Uber network in the country, the highest chance of bumping into someone cool, decent industry for creatives and finance, and architecture and technology and engineering and IT and marketing and and and - all that shit is only accessible if you have the money to enjoy it or the education to benefit from it. For the rest, they get all the bad pollution, high crime rate, exciting plots to turn schools in Islamist training camps, ramshackle third-world tyrant Mayors, incredibly expensive housing and transport, the knowledge that your freedom is basically dependent on whoever the hell runs the RMT now, the bars in Shoreditch where you have to ask to see "the mayor of Scaredy-Cat Town" before you're allowed in with none of the benefits. London needs support and it needs high infrastructure spending because it is, in the UK, uncharacteristically large, uncharacteristically complex and uncharacteristically successful - you'd miss us if we were gone, believe me
More Fun To Compute
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If murdoch says tory then labour it is.
Psychotext
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you'd miss us if we were gone, believe me
Not even for a second.
Well, you've got better strip clubs than the rest of the UK, so maybe for the length of a dance.
CyclopsRock
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Sounds like he has quite a lot of control over you.
More Fun To Compute
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He is a great predictor of who to vote for to get the worst cunts possible in power so I'll rely on him in a purely empirical fashion.
The national debt has doubled under the coalition and we lost our triple A lending status. They have been pretty abysmal in all honesty.
The Conservatives already screwed up the recovery. Labour's spending plans are still better, though tempered by the Tory narrative/public perception.
Can you read this first? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ramesh-patel/growth-cameron-austerity_b_2007552.html
Oblong Schlong
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I'm a Sun-reading fucking idiot who loves bacon sandwiches, so naturally I'm voting Tory.
If Labour didn't stuff the banks full of immigrants, the crisis would never have happened and the economy lines would be going up, not down.
Sure the Tories wanted to deregulate the banks even more, but that would have just been red tape. I saw The Wolf of Wall Street and let me tell you - nothing but red tape.
The SNP are too uppity; selfish jocks are poisoned by parochial arrogance. They should try living in a real country, like London. It's called Westminster, not Northminster!
If Labour didn't stuff the banks full of immigrants, the crisis would never have happened and the economy lines would be going up, not down.
Sure the Tories wanted to deregulate the banks even more, but that would have just been red tape. I saw The Wolf of Wall Street and let me tell you - nothing but red tape.
The SNP are too uppity; selfish jocks are poisoned by parochial arrogance. They should try living in a real country, like London. It's called Westminster, not Northminster!
Are those the only things, though? I mean, I'm no economist but the debt doubling seems expected if we're still running on a budget deficit which, I believe, has decreased after being really high 5 years ago? (Don't quote me on that.) Compared to the situations in the PIGS, I'd say we did pretty well.
IdreamofHIME
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They're telling their readers to vote Tory or else they will get them with nutcrackers.
How is this allowed?
You're a damn poser, a true Sun reader would have also included the benefit scroungers, fat people on the NHS and women wanting free boob jobs
Yeah. I think all hate speech legislation should be removed. It doesn't help anything. I've spoke about this a lot before.
For example, holocaust denial laws in France, haven't done a thing. Anti-Semitism in France, including holocaust denial, has increased. All 'hate speech' laws do is get in the way of actually tackling the problem. I think it is better to allow them to say what they want and demonstrate why they are wrong. By not challenging bad ideas, first of all, you are just telling the masses to take it for granted they are wrong, rather than demonstrating why they are wrong. That's an issue because these holocaust deniers will just go to one account or another, and perhaps make what seems like a convincing argument as to why the holocaust didn't happen. Secondly, it allows these people to be more convinced in their own argument because it is never tested. Like it has to be protected from public debate because the people who argue against holocaust denial have something to hide. by demonstrating why it is wrong, you show the flaws the argument. People know why it is wrong. You are at least attempting to tackle the issue, rather than leaving it to fester in the dark.
I thought this was a good article about that.
http://www.academia.edu/10194196/Th...ent_What_good_have_holocaust-denial_laws_done
And yes, the bigger issue is, having hate speech laws for some things and not for other things, leads to the problem we are at now. Charlie Hebdo made offensive cartoons so people naturally believe that should be banned. Why shouldn't it be? This is how we deal with other 'hate speech'. By creating this climate, we cultivate a culture of offense takers that feel everything should be banned and censored.
And something else you might be interested in. I've posted this a few times already on these forums, but I seem to keep coming across posts like yours where it is very relevant. It was a talk about anti-Semitism at Grand Central synagogue. Just like I am suggesting that all hate Speech should be removed, they were suggesting this also as a way of tackling anti-Semitism. It is an example of why there should be no restrictions on free speech.
I skipped it to the relevant part, but I would suggest watching the whole thing.
https://youtu.be/465Wt-eX2RY?t=1h23m54s
Thank goodness that backfired on the Sun when they published it, as the public, by and large, recognised that the handwritten letters from Gordon Brown demonstrated a human touch to a traumatic experience for someone.
Personally, I think people really need to get over this 'us vs them' mentality. Yes, it is a conservative magazine. Just like the Guardian is a left-leaning paper. What difference does it make to the validity of an argument?
"Ah! that person is a 'conservative' so I am going to dismiss their point altogether without investigating further" What nonsense!
It has nothing to do with the article anyway. My point was about what Ed Miliband has said. What he wants to do.
WayneMorse
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It was a pretty understandable mess up too considering the Gordon's eye site is shit.
chancellor
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Total growth over the last 5 years is 3.1% which is abysmal. The tories also cut hard in the first two years of government causing a dip in our economy and their going to cut hard again, likely causing another dip. Austerity is failing and our economy is flatlining, their record really isn't that good and their policies for the future are excessively harsh.
For that reason I'm voting labour, they seem like the least worst option.
CyclopsRock
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The Spectator is the right wing version of The New Statesmen, simple as that really. And the direction of traffic is far more Speccie --> Tory than the other way. They have a lot of great writers, many of whom weren't right wing.
I still haven't decided who to vote for, so I probably won't end up voting.
Yeah my cousin said the same thing when she found out that Miliband was a Jew, she tried to pass it off as a joke but I know that she's stupid enough to waste a vote on the bases on someone religion.
Yeah my cousin said the same thing when she found out that Miliband was a Jew, she tried to pass it off as a joke but I know that she's stupid enough to waste a vote on the bases on someone religion.
As a Londoner, even I think the wealth needs to be distributed a lot more fairly around the country.
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