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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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CCS

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Fuck me they are desperate now
"WTF? £100 for your positive Tory story? @TheSunNewspaper perilously close to trying to buy votes this election"
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What a piece of shit.
 

Tak3n

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David Cameron almost come face to face with real people, before being whisked away to the party faithful in Cornwall

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Ding-Ding

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Had a request today from someone I know that acts as a policy advisor to the Labour party. Cheeky fucker asked about a certain manifesto pledge (that would fall under my remit) and if it would be possible to be done by delegated legislation through the executive branch. Seems like they are looking at ways to avoid parliment wherever possible. Didn't answer and just said we are in purdah (which doesn't really apply but it was better than saying fuck off).

Interesting though. It gives me the impression that whatever happens, Labour are not expecting a majority government. At least one with them in it anyway.

I wonder what changed for that little gem to surface so soon before an election
 

Tak3n

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Miliband on borrowing and his stone


Ed Miliband tells the BBC's James Landale that he does not believe Labour would end up borrowing more money than the Conservatives plan to, if he forms the next government.

The Labour leader says he does not accept the assessment of the Institute for Fiscal Studies which has said that debt would be £90 bn higher in 2019/20 if Labour's plans were implemented rather than the Tories.

Mr Miliband also says his campaign vice chairman Lucy Powell was wrong to suggest his decision to carve his key policies in stone wouldn't mean they would never be broken.

And for the first time, the Labour leader acknowledged that he might not win an outright victory on Thursday by making clear that his plan to abolish non-Dom status for foreigners would be non-negotiable in any post-election negotiations
 

-Plasma Reus-

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I'm getting Conservative advertisement on youtube on my Macboook pro.
They sure know how to target their audience. Wealthy folk tend to vote conservative.


Too bad I am a leftist.
 

pulsemyne

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Latest poll from ashcroft has tories on 32 and labour on 30. That's a drop of four points for the tories. In seat terms that would give them just six more. Populous meanwhile has both parties even. They have shifted their methodology to be less pro labour.
All this means is that it will come down to the marginals. Personally I think there will be between 10 and 15 seats in it between tories and labour. There is a chance of labour just edging it but that is less likely. Internal labour projections were apparently for about 10 seats to the tories.
 
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Ashcroft's poll is a bit bizarre. Greens on 7% out of nowhere.
 
I'm assuming that Cornwall was one of the richest counties before the Coalition took over?

That's a very black and white view.

Maybe it was doing okay but became poorer until the Coalition? Five years is ample time for a county to go from being able to fund some projects and keep libraries open to funding nothing and shutting most libraries.
 
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Also:

And David Cameron? “Is his wife Spanish?” No, that’s Nick Clegg. “Oh well, I bet they all get together. Car keys in the bowl…” Steady on. What else? “Family man.” “Always on holiday”. “Eton, Bullingdon.” “Doesn’t know which football team he supports”. “He’s Kim Kardashian’s third cousin.” “He left one of his children in the pub. But that’s OK, I’ve left mine outside the Post Office.”

Cor blimey, some salacious gossip going down in the focus groups!
 

RedShift

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To me, it's a massive point.

I want a PM who understands a bit about "normal" life.

Going to Eton isn't even close to that.

I wouldn't go as far as to say anyone who went to Eton shouldn't be PM, but when I heard Osbourne was given £2million when he turned 18 I couldn't imagine how someone who lived like that could ever have a realistic view of what life is like for people in this country.

When he then goes on to describe people living on benefits as being part of a 'something for nothing culture' and calls them slackers... I can't think of much else that could make me that angry at a politician really.
 

Tak3n

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I wouldn't go as far as to say anyone who went to Eton shouldn't be PM, but when I heard Osbourne was given £2million when he turned 18 I couldn't imagine how someone who lived like that could ever have a realistic view of what life is like for people in this country.

When he then goes on to describe people living on benefits as being part of a 'something for nothing culture' and calls them slackers... I can't think of much else that could make me that angry at a politician really.

I think there should be a national service for MP's..

live a week on Min wage

Live a week on JSB

Live a week on disability benefit
 

CCS

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I wouldn't go as far as to say anyone who went to Eton shouldn't be PM, but when I heard Osbourne was given £2million when he turned 18 I couldn't imagine how someone who lived like that could ever have a realistic view of what life is like for people in this country.

When he then goes on to describe people living on benefits as being part of a 'something for nothing culture' and calls them slackers... I can't think of much else that could make me that angry at a politician really.

On your last point, I want to have a rant. The thing that made me angriest was Cameron talking about changes to support for disabled people and their families that will make life harder for them. This man had a disabled son. He knows how hard it can be for families to support a disabled child. He has personal experience of this. So how fucking dare he say that families who are going through the same thing as he did, but without the immense wealth and privilege he did, should face changes that will make an already incredibly difficult task harder. Sorry, rant over.
 
Robert Webb wrote a decent piece for the Guardian a while back about how he didn't care if the people in government went to Eton as long as they also listen to people that didn't. That's a fair position imo.
 

King_Moc

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Robert Webb wrote a decent piece for the Guardian a while back about how he didn't care if the people in government went to Eton as long as they also listen to people that didn't. That's a fair position imo.

I agree 100%. But I I don't think they listen at all.
 
On your last point, I want to have a rant. The thing that made me angriest was Cameron talking about changes to support for disabled people and their families that will make life harder for them. This man had a disabled son. He knows how hard it can be for families to support a disabled child. He has personal experience of this. So how fucking dare he say that families who are going through the same thing as he did, but without the immense wealth and privilege he did, should face changes that will make an already incredibly difficult task harder. Sorry, rant over.
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Hellers

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Looking back at this election campaign it's been an embarrassing disgrace from almost all sides. The biggest shambles of name calling, lies, evasion and media manipulation I've seen in my entire life (42). At the worst part is it'll carry on after the day as a bunch of rich pricks fight for their bunch of rich pricks to be crowned pricks in charge so they can carry on the real business of making money for them and their mates.

I may be coming across as a bit cynical here mind but I do think they're all pricks.
 

Yen

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Had an amusing chat with a Shinner today over what happens to abstentionism if the ConDem coalition makes it to a majority by ~4 seats. The party leadership would never go for it, but some activists would…
 
I think there should be a national service for MP's..

live a week on Min wage

Live a week on JSB

Live a week on disability benefit

A week isn't long enough. You need to genuinely believe that the next week isn't going to be any better than this week to really know the kind of shit people unwillingly on benefits/minimum wage have to suffer through.

Our current government has demonised the poor, the unemployed for five years for problems exclusively created by the wealthy, and they've completely been allowed to do so.

One of the worst parts (I mean aside from the thousands of deaths directly related to benefits cuts, withdrawal of support for disabled people and general fucking evil) is I don't see any of the other parties suggesting that they'll unfuck this colossal mess.
 

PJV3

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A week isn't long enough. You need to genuinely believe that the next week isn't going to be any better than this week to really know the kind of shit people unwillingly on benefits/minimum wage have to suffer through.

Our current government has demonised the poor, the unemployed for five years for problems exclusively created by the wealthy, and they've completely been allowed to do so.

One of the worst parts (I mean aside from the thousands of deaths directly related to benefits cuts, withdrawal of support for disabled people and general fucking evil) is I don't see any of the other parties suggesting that they'll unfuck this colossal mess.

They should pick MPs from each party and make them live for the whole term on mimimum wage or benefits.
 
They should pick MPs from each party and make them live for the whole term on mimimum wage or benefits.

Haha, totally! And dig them out of whatever poverty-ridden hellhole they've been relocated to at the end of the term to parade around as the very vision of successful reforms, assuming they haven't taken their own life by that point.
 

Tak3n

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nicola sturgeon has stated even a 100% snp victory on Thursday, will not result in another referendum


SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon is answering viewers' questions. Asked about the chances of a second referendum on independence, she says: "Even if the SNP win every single seat in Scotland, that would not result in another referendum." This election, she says, is about making Scotland's voice better heard in Westminster.
 

Hellers

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...lash-welfare-for-sick-poor-young-and-disabled

A list of “very, highly or extremely controversial” potential cuts to benefits have been drawn up by civil servants in response to warnings that the next government would struggle to keep welfare spending below a legal cap of about £120bn a year.

The cuts proposed by officials at the Department for Work and Pensions include abolishing statutory maternity pay and barring under-25s from claiming incapacity benefit or housing benefit. Money could also be raised, civil servants suggested, by increasing the bedroom tax in certain cases.

In one of the DWP documents seen by the Guardian, two Whitehall officials say colleagues who were consulted in 2014 about the potential cuts described them as “very/highly/extremely controversial”, which highlighted that when it came to welfare spending that there was “not much low-hanging fruit left”.

The Conservatives have proposed cutting £12bn in welfare after the election, without specifying how. The DWP proposals were canvassed the year before, amid warnings that the failure of the coalition to get to grips with accelerating spending on key benefits would leave the next administration “vulnerable to a breach” of the welfare spending cap.
 
Other options laid out in the DWP documents include:

• Getting employers to contribute more to the cost of statutory maternity pay – or as an alternative abolishing it entirely.

• Freezing benefit payments at current levels across the board.

• Limiting welfare payments by family size.

• Forcing single parents on income support to seek work when their youngest child reaches the age of three (currently five).

• Making it harder for sick people to claim state aid when they are out of work by introducing “stricter” fit-for-work tests and/or tighter limits on eligibility.

• Increasing the bedroom tax on certain categories of renters.

• Barring under-25s from claiming incapacity benefit or housing benefit.

Holy shit.
 

CCS

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What annoyed me today was IDS claiming on TV that the reason they wont say where the 12BN will fall is that they simply don't know...

I find that a utter lie

IDS is possibly the most unpleasant, unlikable, and downright horrible politician in Britain.
 

PJV3

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nicola sturgeon has stated even a 100% snp victory on Thursday, will not result in another referendum


SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon is answering viewers' questions. Asked about the chances of a second referendum on independence, she says: "Even if the SNP win every single seat in Scotland, that would not result in another referendum." This election, she says, is about making Scotland's voice better heard in Westminster.

She's making the party leaders in Westminster look ridiculous, they continue to play into her hands.
 

Tak3n

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as I said to my friends kids the other night, who are 16 and 18, if you are young, under the tories you are fucked
 

PJV3

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as I said to my friends kids the other night, who are 16 and 18, if you are young under the tories you are fucked

As Anne Coulter said, they don't vote so who gives a fuck. I'm still expecting the leftish vote to be a let down on election day.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
Holy shit.

Absolutely nothing surprises me about this governments policies regarding the working class if they get re-elected, they have made absolutely attempt at hiding the complete disdain they have for the working class and some sections for the middle class.

This was all inevitable should they get re-elected. I don't even personally care for labour all that much, but I honestly don't think I could stand another 5 years of the conservatives if they manage to get their way and I'm studying to be a Petroleum Engineer who have tax avoidance down to a fine art.
 

PJV3

Member
I think I'd actually quite happily riot if these came to pass. Like, if it kicked off in London, I'd just drive down and join in.

Not far from the right wing holy grail of removing paid leave after those are gone.

I'm sure Clegg will stop it happening.
Relax.
 

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I think there should be a national service for MP's..

live a week on Min wage

Live a week on JSB

Live a week on disability benefit

I'd go further than that. Abolish pay and allowances for MPs and make them claim benefits instead. That should focus their minds somewhat.
 

PJV3

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Will he though? He gave in to one of his "red line" policies last time. Why not again?

No he wont, some people are going to be screwed.
I was just trying to be positive for a change.

Perhaps the party will reject any coalition, that's about the best I can hope for.
 

Tak3n

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the more I read about what the tories feel they need to do I am surprised they want power back, if they implemented half of those savage cuts they would face wipe out at the next election surely
 
the more I read about what the tories feel they need to do I am surprised they want power back, if they implemented half of those savage cuts they would face wipe out at the next election surely

By that point those at the top will have feathered their own nests suitably and helped out their buddies in big business with all the outsourced services.
 
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