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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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Prine

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Juicy Bob said:
I want extensive studies to help figure out what the fuck happened today.
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It's not that hard, the country is in better shape at the end of this government term than it was 5 years ago, whatever policies have been said and promised this is hard proof, at least for me.

I was Labour all my life until last election, deep down I'd say I'm more Lib Dem then the others but I dont want another Labour government at all.
 
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gerg

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Crab said:
Why would Scotland even take a federal offer? Like, what's the point? Okay, so they get to run the bits of powers they get given at a national level, cool, fine. But there will still be some powers retained at a federal level (that's what makes it a federal system). Judging by this result, Scotland will never have any control over that federal level. Why should they stand for that? May as well just push for full independence at that stage.
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Because, despite the SNP's optimism over the issue, becoming independent isn't a panacea. I think that fiscally the SNP is a pretty poor party, especially given the way that oil has collapsed recently.
 
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Daemul

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As a Scot who voted for SNP, I really don't know how to react to this shit. SNP are cleaning up here, but the fucking Tories will probably get in power. I guess another referendum on independence may happen again much sooner than I first anticipated.
 
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Crab said:
Why would Scotland even take a federal offer? Like, what's the point? Okay, so they get to run the bits of powers they get given at a national level, cool, fine. But there will still be some powers retained at a federal level (that's what makes it a federal system). Judging by this result, Scotland will never have any control over that federal level. Why should they stand for that? May as well just push for full independence at that stage.
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Because it will go hand in hand with Devo max (which would also be given to the English parliaments in my system) - Westminster would be reduced to a de facto foreign policy, defense and infrastructure parliament (which is why it being Cameron as PM is ideal, since he plans to fuck off anyway).
 
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fenners said:
I've heard that talking point repeated a few times, along with "SNP cost us a labour government" (that one's currently being repeated on BBC Scotland).
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Yeah that Labour women is smoking crack. Labour are in charge of their own votes up here. It was always England they needed to win anyway, not a small amount of Scottish seats.
 
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CyclopsRock said:
Because it will go hand in hand with Devo max (which would also be given to the English parliaments in my system) - Westminster would be reduced to a de facto foreign policy, defense and infrastructure parliament (which is why it being Cameron as PM is ideal, since he plans to fuck off anyway).
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But Scotland clearly doesn't agree with Westminster on those things, particularly foreign policy and defence.
 
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Kinky John said:
Independence within our lifetimes. Enjoy!

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Watching all this, that's basically what I'm thinking. Sorry to see the Conservatives being projected to win this overall, but for people who are eying independence down the line, it isn't about what seats Labour lost - and like people are saying, even with the SNP seats they lost, they are still short - it's about Scotland coming around to the idea of seeing itself as its own entity and that's what I'm happy about as far as the projections go.

As for what happens in the UK over the next 5 - 10 years before another referendum might be up for discussion, just gotta do the best we can. The country isn't going to collapse because David Cameron is still prime minister.
 
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MrRoflWaffles

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The SNP want to lock the Tories out still.

"If the arithmetic doesn't allow for that, it's because Labour have failed to beat the Tories in England".

Ouch. Truth hurts.
 
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Sturgeon setting it straight, its up to Labour to win in England.

So yeah stop blaming Scotland Scottish Labour/Scottish media.
 
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CyclopsRock said:
The SNP has been more than a Independence party for some time now, in the same way UKIP is more than an anti-EU party. They have owned the Scottish parliament for two terms now yet they still lost the Independence referendum. There's no need to associate "independence" with "snp" support - just like how UKIP "won" the EU parliament elections yet the public generally supports staying in the EU.
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Well said. The SNP led scottish government has done very little that is exciting. But it has been competent, with eloquent and reasonable politicxians who are not bad at their jobs. So you can vote for them as a reasonable group of politicians no matter what your views on independence.
 
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Tak3n

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Fucking hell, how does Nicola sturgeon feel, her party is doing brilliantly, but is about to be irrelevant....

She must be proper mad and will expect her to slam ed miliband
 
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CyclopsRock

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Crab said:
But Scotland clearly doesn't agree with Westminster on those things, particularly foreign policy and defence.
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They agree enough not to have voted for independence. Hugo Rifkind - as a Scot himelf - wrote an interesting piece in this weeks Spectator about how everyone seems to forget they lost the referendum. People sort of treat it like the Scottish all want out despite us having one enormous piece of evidence to suggest they don't.
 
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fenners said:
I've heard that talking point repeated a few times, along with "SNP cost us a labour government" (that one's currently being repeated on BBC Scotland).
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BBC Scotland are full of shit, SNP would have propped Labour up if they needed to. All the blame should be going to the English voters, not us.
 
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That line of hugs, id stop after 1 and hand out the hi5's
 
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Queen of Hunting

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everyone is acting on here like we are doomed by getting david in, how would labour have done any better ?
 
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CyclopsRock said:
They agree enough not to have voted for independence. Hugo Rifkind - as a Scot himelf - wrote an interesting piece in this weeks Spectator about how everyone seems to forget they lost the referendum. People sort of treat it like the Scottish all want out despite us having one enormous piece of evidence to suggest they don't.
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The referendum was close and was held in the context of a very different political climate. It would be a mistake to suppose that what applied in mid-2014 still applies now.
 
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CyclopsRock said:
They agree enough not to have voted for independence. Hugo Rifkind - as a Scot himelf - wrote an interesting piece in this weeks Spectator about how everyone seems to forget they lost the referendum. People sort of treat it like the Scottish all went out despite us having one enormous piece of evidence to suggest they don't.
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I think it's pretty obvious they do all want out now. Have you seen the predicted results in Scotland? And now with five years of a Tory majority looming?
 
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CyclopsRock

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Given the Tories only had one seat in Scotland, if the Tories do end up with a majority then the SNP's success makes no difference on a national scale. The SNP didn't cost Labour anything, Labour did.

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I do find the doom & gloom here amusing with the LAB 10 / CON 4 current results, but of course, we're all expecting it to slip soon.

I'm glad I visited the United Kingdom while it still existed. Something to tell my grandkids.
 
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kmag

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Changing party fortunes: #SNP Mhairi Black will struggle to finish degree; Jim Murphy could finally get round to finishing his. #GE2015
 
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