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[caesar]

You'd be surprised. Often those from lower socio economic groups still vote Conservative (or in this instance UKIP). I'd imagine easily led Sun readers and people of that ilk. Bit like how some of the poorest in the US continue to vote Republican. I think the fear from the threat of immigration and fearmongering regarding the economy, is enough to tide people over in prioritising these things over fairer or more leftist or socialist policies, that would ultimately help them.

Yeah I had it down to that as well, quite disturbing. Need more education I guess and less apathy.

 

[Arksy]

So how's canada politically? I need to find somewhere to emigrate to

Every single Westminster democracy currently has a conservative government in power.

 

[N7Commander95]

It's a process of macroeconomic recovery. What would you have done?



...under a coalition government.

Exactly. Pure Tory will be the stuff of nightmares for the poor and disabled.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Did balls lose his seat?

 

[Spaghetti]

Well, gotta make back all the money Labour pissed away somehow.

ah yes by causing a second recession what a great idea to increase revenue

they're so economically illiterate they almost made it happen a third time before they stepped off the gas pedal a bit

and oh look, the labour overspending myth is back too. you do realise labour's spending only spiked significantly post-financial crash to fund a fiscal stimulus to keep the economy ticking over? you know, the fiscal stimulus that gave us hints of a recovery when the coalition came into power, which was quickly killed off by the aforementioned double dip recession.

oh, and spending has gone up under the coalition too. ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Oemenia]

X love democracy as long as people do the "right" thing.

Anything that isn't X is a lie.

Welcome to people. ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

Only they've stayed in power on pushing utter bullshit.

 

[ZombieFred]

Exactly. I earn under the UK national average salary of 26k and have voted Conservative as I have more faith in them to get things done than a labour and snp coalition.

My life/lifestyle in the past five years has got better and better so why would I vote against the party that has been in power during that?

Same here, o have only just reached 27k and a few years back I was on 19. I worked hard after all the crap I experiemced I felt when I first started my career in the public sector and doing much better and happier moving in the private sector in the IT world. The tax cuts and the future housing policies match what I need when I have turned 25 this year and will soon be in the 30s and want a place of my own in the South East.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Did balls lose his seat?

Most people think so, but no confirmation yet.

 

[Drakeon]

As an American following this news, I am profoundly saddened to see Cameron will be back

 

[iMax]

ah yes by causing a second recession what a great idea to increase revenue

they're so economically illiterate they almost made it happen a third time before they stepped off the gas pedal a bit

and oh look, the labour overspending myth is back too. you do realise labour's spending only spiked significantly post-financial crash to fund a fiscal stimulus to keep the economy ticking over? you know, the fiscal stimulus that gave us hints of a recovery when the coalition came into power, which was quickly killed off by the aforementioned double dip recession.

oh, and spending has gone up under the coalition too. ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

It's funny how people who accuse the 'recycling' of Conservative arguments do the same with Labour ones.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Did balls lose his seat?

unknown yet, the rumours are he may have, but the numbers are too tight to call

we can only hope

 

[Hasney]

Same here, o have only just reached 27k and a few years back I was on 19. I worked hard after all the crap I experiemced I felt when I first started my career in the public sector and doing much better and happier moving in the private sector in the IT world. The tax cuts and the future housing policies match what I need when I have turned 25 this year and will soon be in the 30s and want a place of my own in the South East.

Heh, I've done the opposite and am much happier in the public sector. Sometimes you just need a change.

 

[anonymous_abc]

Change.org petition for voting system reform *past 100,000 signatures.

signed.

 

[MrRoflWaffles]

You'd be surprised. Often those from lower socio economic groups still vote Conservative (or in this instance UKIP). I'd imagine easily led Sun readers and people of that ilk. Bit like how some of the poorest in the US continue to vote Republican. I think the fear from the threat of immigration and fearmongering regarding the economy, is enough to tide people over in prioritising these things over fairer or more leftist or socialist policies, that would ultimately help them.

Speaking entirely from personal experience, I find this to be overwhelmingly true.
Lot of my mates are dirt poor and still voting Tory, because y'know, it says to do so in the paper

 

[offshore]

you mean the budget deficit that appeared suddenly in around 2007?

Do you even know what a budget deficit is? The UK has had a budget deficit since 2002.

It didn't "appear suddenly" in 2007; it had been there for six years.

 

[Spaghetti]

It's funny how people who accuse the 'recycling' of Conservative arguments do the same with Labour ones.

it's a matter of public record. as both real term in £billions and as a percentage of GDP.

 

[Jezbollah]

Balls in deep trouble here.

Dont you mean Balls Deep In Trouble?

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

The liberal democrats must feel so used right now... You have to feel sorry for them in a way.

Please don't. They knew what they were signing up for. The conservatives are getting the praise for every good thing in this coalition, and the lib dems are getting blamed for all the bad things. Nick Clegg came over as supporting the conservatives over labour in his rhetoric, even during the last hours of the election campaign. He obviously prefers cons over labour. He may have done better for his supporters if he had been more left leaning, but alas, it is his choice 5 years ago that has put both his party and the country, in the position it is now.

 

[Randomizer]

Dont you mean Balls Deep In Trouble?

Hahaha that's how I read it.

 

[Lucius86]

Same here, o have only just reached 27k and a few years back I was on 19. I worked hard after all the crap I experiemced I felt when I first started my career in the public sector and doing much better and happier moving in the private sector in the IT world. The tax cuts and the future housing policies match what I need when I have turned 25 this year and will soon be in the 30s and want a place of my own in the South East.

Very similar position, but add a few years on and a bit more money and snap.

So are we going to have riots again because democracy has failed? They were fun last time.

 

[twobear]

It's funny how people who accuse the 'recycling' of Conservative arguments do the same with Labour ones.

because the 'labour argument' (not actually labour's argument--they officially agree with the tory lie) is based in these things called facts, and not wilful deceit in order to push through the dismantling of the welfare state.

let me put it this way; austerity had almost no academic economists' support when it was implemented, and it has even less now that it failed.

the person who taught george osborne economics at oxford said that osborne was not following what he was taught should be done in recessions. the tory party knew that what they were doing was economically unsound, but they did it anyway because they saw a great opportunity to cut welfare spending under the guise of being 'economically responsible', using a media friendly soundbite about 'maxing out the country's credit card' that makes zero economic sense but which is intuitively appealing to the person on the street who was having to tighten their belt because of the failures of the richest people in society to curb their enthusiasm.

 

[MrRoflWaffles]

Very similar position, but add a few years on and a bit more money and snap.

So are we going to have riots again because democracy has failed? They were fun last time.

Being kettled wasn't much fun, actually.

 

[gutter_trash]

So how's canada politically? I need to find somewhere to emigrate to

it's actually pretty stable and is probably at it's most stable in decades (politically)

if you want to immigrate to Canada, the best thing to do find out which region is best for your work field and work around that.

The Bloc Quebecois (our version of the SNP) have nearly been wiped off the map to 2 MPs. They were a nuissance from the early 1990 until the mid 2000s.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Do you even know what a budget deficit is? The UK has had a budget deficit since 2002.

It didn't "appear suddenly" in 2007; it had been there for six years.

Running deficits is fine provided that the rate of growth is greater than the size of the deficit; that means your ability to repay debts is growing faster than you accrue them. Labour's problem years were 2004-2007 in that respect.

 

[iMax]

it's a matter of public record. as both real term in £billions and as a percentage of GDP.

As are the fuckups under Brown.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

bbc are saying balls still too close to call

 

[Hellers]

Nice to see the Lib Dems utterly destroyed. Shame the turkeys voted for christmas though. Given the rather negative campaign run by the right wing press I guess it shows we can't discount their influence just yet.

Losing Scotland however was all labours fault and they've been utterly rubbish as an opposition. I'm not happy we're about to take it up the arse from the Tories again but fuck me. Labour didn't deserve to win. At every single point they've let the right wing press set the agenda.

The only hope left is that the Tories don't get a majority. Any coalition they manage to form would be very shaky.

 

[War Peaceman]

As are the fuckups under Brown.

So you respond to a statement of fact with this?

 

[twobear]

As are the fuckups under Brown.

which fuckups? brown's worst moments pale to insignificance compared with the disaster that was the last 5 years of tory economic policy.

 

[giant_frying_pan]

Did balls lose his seat?

Ed Balls.

 

[Oemenia]

Running deficits is fine provided that the rate of growth is greater than the size of the deficit; that means your ability to repay debts is growing faster than you accrue them. Labour's problem years were 2004-2007 in that respect.

Hence the anger, we have posters here who support the Cons yet have no idea as to how economics work.

 

[Spaghetti]

As are the fuckups under Brown.

you are fucking denial if you think the conservatives are any more economically literate

 

[Lucius86]

Being kettled wasn't much fun, actually.

Really? Because being scared to leave my own home and having beer bottles being thrown at my car driving home from good honest work when I lived in London back then was awesome too.

 

[electroshockwave]

Running deficits is fine provided that the rate of growth is greater than the size of the deficit; that means your ability to repay debts is growing faster than you accrue them. Labour's problem years were 2004-2007 in that respect.

I wonder how much the occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan contributed to that.

 

[Scousefury]

Balls not even being elected and Miliband fired could be a boon for labour in the long run, refresh the party heads and go again

 

[Ding-Ding]

I wonder, as Labour failed to win the constituency of Hastings. I am guessing Miliband may have to go back there to collect his stone pillar.

Its O.K though, I am sure he can find a better use for it

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

bbc are saying balls still too close to call

I voted labour, but I'd be happy if he goes. It's time for Labour to clear house, and he is symbolic of everything wrong with labour's inner circle.

 

[jonno394]

Hence the anger, we have posters here who support the Cons yet have no idea as to how economics work.

I'm sure there are plenty of labour voters who fit that bill too

 

[Jezbollah]

STOP FAST LANE HOGGING FUCKER.

 

[iMax]

which fuckups? brown's worst moments pale to insignificance compared with the disaster that was the last 5 years of tory economic policy.

umm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ele...s-his-mistakes-added-to-financial-crisis.html

you are fucking denial if you think the conservatives are any more economically literate

OK

Oh, and how can I forget!

 

[electroshockwave]

As are the fuckups under Brown.

Is there any point in engaging you if all your responses amount to "Nuh-uh"?

 

[kmag]

Do you even know what a budget deficit is? The UK has had a budget deficit since 2002.

It didn't "appear suddenly" in 2007; it had been there for six years.

You're acting like a budget deficit is some new Labour specific invention. It's a common feature regardless of who is in power. Labours deficit as a percentage of GDP (which is the only way to read it) was pretty average until the financial crisis. Labour's issue wasn't spending money, it was an issue of banking regulation and a failure to wean the economy off a diet of cheap credit and house price booms.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

This is the only outcome that could have really worked to be honest. With the lib dems out as a coalition ally, and the cons making such a large number comparatively, the next election will see them get the blame for a shitload of things with no lib dem/labour scapegoat.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I voted labour, but I'd be happy if he goes. It's time for Labour to clear house, and he is symbolic of everything wrong with labour's inner circle.

they need a true left wing shadow cabinet for a hope of victory. tories may be strong in 2020 if bojo is still popular.

 

[twobear]

i mean one of the main academic papers that 'supported' austerity had a fucking excel formula error on it that skewed the data

and even then, the economists who wrote it didn't even say that you should cut spending during a recession, because every economist on the planet with a functioning brain knows that's a stupid thing to do

 

[kitch9]

because the 'labour argument' (not actually labour's argument--they officially agree with the tory lie) is based in these things called facts, and not wilful deceit in order to push through the dismantling of the welfare state.

let me put it this way; austerity had almost no academic economists' support when it was implemented, and it has even less now that it failed.

the person who taught george osborne economics at oxford said that osborne was not following what he was taught should be done in recessions. the tory party knew that what they were doing was economically unsound, but they did it anyway because they saw a great opportunity to cut welfare spending under the guise of being 'economically responsible', using a media friendly soundbite about 'maxing out the country's credit card' that makes zero economic sense but which is intuitively appealing to the person on the street who was having to tighten their belt because of the failures of the richest people in society to curb their enthusiasm.

I took economics I know what you get taught.

It tends to be centrist policies. Spending should be reined back during a boom or growth and spending should be increased in a recession.

If at all possible.....

 

[Ashes]

which fuckups? brown's worst moments pale to insignificance compared with the disaster that was the last 5 years of tory economic policy.

It all gets swept under the recession though.

Which we know is Labour's fault due to over spending and not bankers or the financial crisis in a foreign country.

That's why we need to be harsher on the poor - cause you know it's their fault.

We can't afford to give people tax breaks unless you are millionaires now can we? because then we can afford to give inheritance tax cuts because people really understand that that isn't a real tax cut.

 

[electroshockwave]

umm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ele...s-his-mistakes-added-to-financial-crisis.html

In a television interview, the Prime Minister concedes that he bowed to pressure from the City and failed to regulate the banks properly.

Good thing that David Cameron was calling for even less regulation on the banks pre-financial crisis...

 

[Spaghetti]

Balls not even being elected and Miliband fired could be a boon for labour in the long run, refresh the party heads and go again

this. always thought ed would be a transitional and recalibrating leader, and i'm sure looking back, people will realise he filled that space pretty well despite it ending in tremendous personal failure

 

[Oemenia]

i mean one of the main academic papers that 'supported' austerity had a fucking excel formula error on it that skewed the data

and even then, the economists who wrote it didn't even say that you should cut spending during a recession

It seems sound economic theory falls on deaf ears.

It's hilarious thinking that voting Conservative makes some people think they are part of some public school elite of a lot a sudden.