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[Yen]

i mean one of the main academic papers that 'supported' austerity had a fucking excel formula error on it that skewed the data

and even then, the economists who wrote it didn't even say that you should cut spending during a recession, because every economist on the planet with a functioning brain knows that's a stupid thing to do

Reinhardt and Rogoff's 'Growth in a Time of Debt' or 'Crock of total shit' if you will.

 

[Uzzy]

Well, that's something to wake up to. At least the Tory majority in my constituency was cut from 12,987 to 12,203. Yay.

 

[iMax]

Good thing that David Cameron was calling for even less regulation on the banks pre-financial crisis...

Yeah, it's how you get FDI quick.

 

[Marc]

Ugh, Theresa May on TV... the Ed Balls of the conservatives.

Already talking about taking away our freedoms and with glee, I was hoping the smaller parties would do better than they have and a coalition forced upon conservatives/labour.

Lib Dems should get credit for putting a leash on that useless nutcase.

 

[Spaghetti]

Oh, and how can I forget!

talk about recycling arguments

maybe you've bought into the tory mantra about a national budget being akin to a household budget too

hint: it's not, not even remotely close, and very few principles carry over

 

[twobear]

umm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ele...s-his-mistakes-added-to-financial-crisis.html

so what you're saying is that labour are economically irresponsible for not putting greater regulation on the banking sector, even though it was the tories who removed those regulations in the first place and if the tories had been in power during the same period the situation would have been exactly the same if not worse

 

[kmag]

I took economics I know what you get taught.

It tends to be centrist policies. Spending should be reined back during a boom or growth and spending should be increased in a recession.

If at all possible.....

Almost no government actually does that. For two reasons 1) it's always politically difficult and 2) you risk the growth by cutting off the money flow if you're not careful.

 

[sasliquid]

So what is the best country to emigrate to for a left leaning man who finds it difficult to learn other languages?


I can't really claim to have a great understand of economics (better than most I'm sure) but I know a lot about environmental policy and in that regard the Torys suuuuuuuck.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Well, that's something to wake up to. At least the Tory majority in my constituency was cut from 12,987 to 12,203. Yay.

Baby steps. In 78 years at that rate, your seat will change hands!

 

[Ashes]

So what is the best country to emigrate to for a left leaning man who finds it difficult to learn other languages?


I can't really claim to have a great understand of economics (better than most I'm sure) but I know a lot about environmental policy and in that regard the Torys suuuuuuuck.

Scotland.

 

[Hellers]

I took economics I know what you get taught.

It tends to be centrist policies. Spending should be reined back during a boom or growth and spending should be increased in a recession.

If at all possible.....

Them dang teachers with their fancy book learnin'

 

[kmag]

Ugh, Theresa May on TV... the Ed Balls of the conservatives.

Already talking about taking away our freedoms and with glee, I was hoping the smaller parties would do better than they have and a coalition forced upon conservatives/labour.

Lib Dems should get credit for putting a leash on that useless nutcase.

It's going to be fucking glorious. A lot of voters have been taken in by a neutered Tory party, they're going to get the full fat version now which should be a bit of a shock.

 

[Chinner]

RIP NHS?

 

[electroshockwave]

Oh, and how can I forget!

http://www.theguardian.com/global/2010/may/17/liam-byrne-letter-wider-tradition

 

[nib95]

umm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ele...s-his-mistakes-added-to-financial-crisis.html

ok

Of course politicians make mistakes, it's the gravity of the mistakes that is being discussed here. Hell, the Tories said they'd match Labour spending and further de-regulate the banks, so this recycled argument doesn't make much sense either.

On a side note, you should be aware that Telegraph is oft referred to as Torygraph for a reason, I mean, this is the same paper that puts up front page articles and headlines based on propaganda passed on to them directly from Conservative HQ. I know most papers in the UK are partisan, but that is just taking it to another level.

 

[Daemul]

So what is the best country to emigrate to for a left leaning man who finds it difficult to learn other languages?


I can't really claim to have a great understand of economics (better than most I'm sure) but I know a lot about environmental policy and in that regard the Torys suuuuuuuck.

Come up north m8

 

[Withnail]

Last time we had a Conservative majority we had two recessions. This time they missed all their economic targets. I don't really understand the reputation for economic competence. It's just spin and presentation.

 

[Oemenia]

It's going to be fucking glorious. A lot of voters have been taken in by a neutered Tory party, they're going to get the full fat version now which should be a bit of a shock.

I don't think so, those DM readers who live in their comfortable non-urban areas won't see any of it.

 

[iMax]

so what you're saying is that labour are economically irresponsible for not putting greater regulation on the banking sector, even though it was the tories who removed those regulations in the first place and if the tories had been in power during the same period the situation would have been exactly the same if not worse

It's a short-term recovery strategy, not necessarily a long-term sustained strategy. It's pointless to speculate how the Conservative's might've done it their way. The reality is how Labour did it. And I don't trust them to not screw up again.

 

[empyrean]

It's going to be horrific. Really can't see how people voted Tory. Probably going to be a fire sale of whatever government assets are left so their cronies can make a quick buck or two. That's after they cut aid and help to the most vulnerable in society whilst blaming them for everything and papering over the cracks of failed capitalism.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Fuck that Scottish result is brutal to wake up to :/

 

[Daemul]

Ah well, the good thing about this is the Tories no longer have the now near extinct Lib Dems as their scapegoats and will get sole blame for every thing that goes wrong during their term. Should be a fun 5 years.

 

[Ghost_Messiah]

Laughed pretty hard at this. The look on Cameron's face on the BBC News site right now is just priceless. "Mum, I'm still Prime Minister!".

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Greens didn't win Bristol West in the end. LAB gain from LIB.

 

[War Peaceman]

It's a short-term recovery strategy, not necessarily a long-term sustained strategy. It's pointless to speculate how the Conservative's might've done it their way. The reality is how Labour did it. And I don't trust them to not screw up again.

"It is pointless to speculate how one might have done it despite explicit political statements so I'm going to speculate on how the other could do it"

 

[twobear]

It's a short-term recovery strategy, not necessarily a long-term sustained strategy. It's pointless to speculate how the Conservative's might've done it their way. The reality is how Labour did it. And I don't trust them to not screw up again.

and yet you do trust the tories, despite their utterly miserable history of total economic ineptitude

 

[Juicy Bob]

Putting aside the deficit, I'm more worried about what this all means for equality in this country.

Equality for women, for disabled people and for LGBT people. Are the poorest and people in poverty going to suffer even more from these extra welfare cuts? What about the gap between rich and poor?

I'm worried that this is going to slow down Britain's progression as a society and a culture.

 

[Oemenia]

Ah well, the good thing about this is the Tories no longer have the now near extinct Lib Dems as their scapegoats and will get sole blame for every thing that goes wrong during their term. Should be a fun 5 years.

The Conservative voters in this thread are yet to put a coherent argument together let alone not spout the utter lies and deceptive propaganda that's been pushed hard.

 

[Mr. Luchador]

... wow.

What a thing to wake up to.

 

[Jezbollah]

Thanet South have only just started (or are about to start) to count. No result expected before 10am.

 

[War Peaceman]

Putting aside the deficit, I'm more worried about what this all means for equality in this country.

Equality for women, for disabled people and for LGBT people. Are the poorest and people in poverty going to suffer even more from these extra welfare cuts? What about the gap between rich and poor?

I'm worried that this is going to slow down Britain's progression as a society and a culture.

I would be unconcerned about lgbt rights. Definitely concerned about poor/disabled/unwaged. They've been hit hardest in last parliament with the LDS in government

 

[sasliquid]

Putting aside the deficit, I'm more worried about what this all means for equality in this country.

Equality for women, for disabled people and for LGBT people. Are the poorest and people in poverty going to suffer even more from these extra welfare cuts? What about the gap between rich and poor?

I'm worried that this is going to slow down Britain's progression as a society and a culture.

Dats what we get when the media and politicians put way more focus on economics than social, environmental and cultural issues.

 

[Scousefury]

Im gutted about the result but im positive about the future of labour, Andy Burnham leader by next month?

 

[iMax]

"It is pointless to speculate how one might have done it despite explicit political statements so I'm going to speculate on how the other could do it"

I won't speculate on the events of the past that didn't happen, like some sort of Intersteller-esque alternate reality. I will speculate on future events as its what determines my vote.

and yet you do trust the tories, despite their utterly miserable history of total economic ineptitude

Yes. Problem? Also, citation needed.

 

[twobear]

Putting aside the deficit, I'm more worried about what this all means for equality in this country.

Equality for women, for disabled people and for LGBT people. Are the poorest and people in poverty going to suffer even more from these extra welfare cuts? What about the gap between rich and poor?

I'm worried that this is going to slow down Britain's progression as a society and a culture.

slow it down? economically it's been sliding backwards for the past 5+ years.

Yes. Problem?

you mean besides the absurd hipocrisy of your blatant double standard?

 

[Jezbollah]

Im gutted about the result but im positive about the future of labour, Andy Burnham leader by next month?

I'm not a Labour supporter, but could see him as one of the front runners.

 

[jonno394]

The Conservative voters in this thread are yet to put a coherent argument together let alone not spout the utter lies and deceptive propaganda that's been pushed hard.

Do we need to? At the end of the day I voted tories because I agreed with more policies of theirs than the others. I also voted for them due to the fact my lifestyle over the past five years has improved considerable and as the tories were in power id be stupid to vote against them in this round and vote for labour.

If it goes tits up then I'll be voting labour or someone else next time.

 

[Uzzy]

39% swing? How is such a thing even physically possible! Bloody hell.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Last time we had a Conservative majority we had two recessions. This time they missed all their economic targets. I don't really understand the reputation for economic competence. It's just spin and presentation.

But Labour overspent!
The deficit!
Borrowing!

 

[Black Republican]

Chuka or Harriet for labour leader?

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Im gutted about the result but im positive about the future of labour, Andy Burnham leader by next month?

I seem to remember some gross nhs stuff with him but I'll have to look it up

would rather have Crudas if Johnson once again refuses to stand imo

 

[iMax]

you mean besides the absurd hipocrisy of your blatant double standard?

Honestly, I'm stunned at the degree to which those who vote differently to the 'vocal minority' are expected to justify their reasoning, as if it were some sort of crime. The very systems we have in place are designed to facilitate such issues. Why do you care?

 

[Hasney]

Laughed pretty hard at this. The look on Cameron's face on the BBC News site right now is just priceless. "Mum, I'm still Prime Minister!".

He actually looks like he has some energy for the first time in a couple of months.

 

[kitch9]

Almost no government actually does that. For two reasons 1) it's always politically difficult and 2) you risk the growth by cutting off the money flow if you're not careful.

It's politically difficult is the main reason. Hence when a freak crash hits that isn't caused by normal forces of supply and demand but by a massive liquidity trap in the system it makes for a difficult and unusual situation.

 

[Oemenia]

Do we need to? At the end of the day I voted tories because I agreed with more policies of theirs than the others. I also voted for them due to the fact my lifestyle over the past five years has improved considerable and as the tories were in power id be stupid to vote against them in this round and vote for labour.

If it goes tits up then I'll be voting labour or someone else next time.

The weather was good today, I had a good day.

Therefore good weather will certainly mean a good day.

Logic.

Honestly, I'm stunned at the degree to which those who vote differently to the 'vocal minority' are expected to justify their reasoning, as if it were some sort of crime. The very systems we have in place are designed to facilitate such issues. Why do you care?

So when all logic fails, ignorance is bliss!

 

[Tak3n]

David miliband must be royally pissed off, should of just stayed on back bench for this term, he would now romp a leadership

 

[Marc]

It's going to be fucking glorious. A lot of voters have been taken in by a neutered Tory party, they're going to get the full fat version now which should be a bit of a shock.

A lot of Tories like that kind of talk though, the amount of times I hear the argument of "I have nothing to hide" is astounding. Even when you point out facts they agree with such as proven misuse of power... they just shrug.

I really don't get the one sided thinking of both right and left voters, just go along with the group without ever thinking why.

Will be curious if the tory rebels will be a lot more demanding now they aren't dragged to the centre.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Chuka or Harriet for labour leader?

Chuka is horrible on question time, I don't think he'd be able to connect with voters.

David miliband must be royally pissed off, should of just stayed on back bench for this term, he would now romp a leadership

I don't think moving to the right is what labour should be doing right now

 

[Lucius86]

Do we need to? At the end of the day I voted tories because I agreed with more policies of theirs than the others. I also voted for them due to the fact my lifestyle over the past five years has improved considerable and as the tories were in power id be stupid to vote against them in this round and vote for labour.

If it goes tits up then I'll be voting labour or someone else next time.

I like you. I don't blindly vote for one party at all costs like some, i look at the performance of a party in power, the policies of those who aren't, and judge for my lifestyle and for the country.

 

[iMax]

Last time we had a Conservative majority we had two recessions. This time they missed all their economic targets. I don't really understand the reputation for economic competence. It's just spin and presentation.

You mean 1990?