Sir_Crocodile
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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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did he mutter
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
London also has a lot more ethnic minorities, people less likely to buy the DM and Telegraph and think they are above others because they made a buck or two.
JesseEwiak
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Don't worry, the magic of the market is wonderous for us American's! I mean, you only deserve the freedom of good health if you have a good job, right?
Mr. Luchador
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It is getting a bit sour in here.
FortuneFaded
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So none of your family, friends, friends' families, colleagues, colleagues' families have disabilities?
My mates brother is Autistic.
I find this viewpoint so dated. Sure, the bad old Tories you can apply this to, but today the people on minimum wage have rarely paid so little tax, thanks to the current government.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Paying lower amounts of tax doesn't mean you are better off. It could but it doesn't directly correlate to either more money or a better living. Also, Lib Dem policy.
Marc
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I'd agree with that, something Labour started with Blair which gave the Tories the political will to go through with these kinds of policies. And Miliband hasn't exactly set himself apart on this issue either.
No more porn for teenagers... unless the internet doesn't work the way they think it does, surely not. Which is why people without any knowledge of their subject should fuck off, whether they are Tory or Labour.
Again, hopeful but now not very much so, that things like PR are demanded and we start moving towards a system of informed politicians.
Just woke up, a few thoughts:
1. FUCK
2. SNP did really good. I didn't vote for them but man, I'm surprised considering how many seats they won last time.
3. I hope we in Scotland get the powers we were promised under our new Tories majority overlords.
4. FUCK FUCK FUCK.
5. The voting system is fucked, one country decides who gets into power. That just shouldn't happen.
6. EU Referendum scares me. The UK Public has shown that they are dumb as anything.
7. The Sun got what they fucking wanted. :/
8. FUCK!!! (seriously, I'm glad I didn't stay up for this, I'd have gotten depressed far quicker if I had)
1. FUCK
2. SNP did really good. I didn't vote for them but man, I'm surprised considering how many seats they won last time.
3. I hope we in Scotland get the powers we were promised under our new Tories majority overlords.
4. FUCK FUCK FUCK.
5. The voting system is fucked, one country decides who gets into power. That just shouldn't happen.
6. EU Referendum scares me. The UK Public has shown that they are dumb as anything.
7. The Sun got what they fucking wanted. :/
8. FUCK!!! (seriously, I'm glad I didn't stay up for this, I'd have gotten depressed far quicker if I had)
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
The entire "Miliband must go" sentiment is foolish when you consider that Labour by itself is in a really bad situation wherein right now they're essentially "Red Tories" with token legacy socialist values.
Here are the challenges facing Labour:
1) They've lost Scotland for at least 10 years.
2) Regressing back to pure left-wing policies would make them unelectable.
3) Their only real hope of victory is waiting until the Tories are so detestable they can steal voters from them - as in 1997.
Once Miliband goes, I wish the best of luck to whatever Labour MP decides to carry that cross for the next 5 years.
Here are the challenges facing Labour:
1) They've lost Scotland for at least 10 years.
2) Regressing back to pure left-wing policies would make them unelectable.
3) Their only real hope of victory is waiting until the Tories are so detestable they can steal voters from them - as in 1997.
Once Miliband goes, I wish the best of luck to whatever Labour MP decides to carry that cross for the next 5 years.
Sir_Crocodile
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alastair campbell - I think in theory he doesn't have to as labour retained a couple of seats
Course it doesn't. But that money is going a lot further now than ever. Aren't we at pre-recession levels now??
I know after 13 years of stealth tax rises on everyone you'd think those lower paid would have an issue with Labour currently. The tax cuts for the lowest paid have been huge.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
The illiberalism trend didn't start with Blair, but New Labour were utter cunts for it. The potential for PM May is terrifying in this regard.
Unfortunately in your case you are conflating your good fortune to the Conservative party, let alone their economic policies. I can tell you many people have seen their lives get ruined under the current government and in fact as a direct result of their changes.
And trust me, these people are far from lazy.
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How has anyone who has used the NHS (and all of us have), not support it for their life?
The NHS should be the one thing that is beyond any politicians grasp, but here we are condoning the NHS to face more cuts and bring in pay for your health companies that will charge all of us for something that is a basic human need.
If you've used the NHS at any point in your life, you should not have voted Conservative.
I wish Scotland went independent, at least there would have been an escape from this nightmare.
The NHS should be the one thing that is beyond any politicians grasp, but here we are condoning the NHS to face more cuts and bring in pay for your health companies that will charge all of us for something that is a basic human need.
If you've used the NHS at any point in your life, you should not have voted Conservative.
I wish Scotland went independent, at least there would have been an escape from this nightmare.
brain_stew
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As a left leaning voter from the north east it shouldn't surprise me either. I simply couldn't bring myself to vote Labour and I find they've left the region to similar neglect as Scotland because it's such a safe stronghold. If we had a real strong, positive and progressive party like the SNP with a leader like Sturgeon to vote for them it wouldn't be hard to be convinced by their argument.
The fact that UKIP picked up so much of the vote here with no real ground level support and politics way to the right of Labour kind of proves that an alternative is craved.
Frankfurter
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Oh well, so the BBC exit poll was pretty much right... :/
travisbickle
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If David Cameron wants to call me nasty names on the internet for the next 5 years I'll be ok with that. The Conservative Party are called the nasty party because they have a history of attacking the poor, weak and vulnerable of society, increasing inequality and bouts of homophobia and racism.
Little Old Man
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Just woken up. So it appears the exit polls once again have done very well!
Two things:
The polling methods used during the campaign have surely got to be bought into question, seeing as they haven't reflected the outcome (SNP aside).
Will the Tory HQ strategists see the win tonight as justification to rerun the style of campaign they have in future elections?
I believe Ed will be out of the door now within 18 months, and a push towards a charismatic front man, ala Tony Blair. Well done to Mr Cameron, even if I am genuinely worried about the direction of the NHS and inequality in the country under a possible Tory majority.
Two things:
The polling methods used during the campaign have surely got to be bought into question, seeing as they haven't reflected the outcome (SNP aside).
Will the Tory HQ strategists see the win tonight as justification to rerun the style of campaign they have in future elections?
I believe Ed will be out of the door now within 18 months, and a push towards a charismatic front man, ala Tony Blair. Well done to Mr Cameron, even if I am genuinely worried about the direction of the NHS and inequality in the country under a possible Tory majority.
go see a star war
Lol, London is the richest and most prosperous city in the country. Even some of the poorer parts are still successful comparative to some of the rest of the country, so that sort of goes against the point you're implying. If anything, based on policy benefits, London should be more Conservative.
I'm sorry to hear that. When I experience it I'll be sure to let you know and inform you I'm not voting Conservative.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
'Goes a lot further' what does that mean?
There are so many other factors - quality of public services paid for by taxes, inflation, etc.
I don't mean this as a leading question - the answer is not clear - but I just opposed the logical conclusion that less taxes=better off because it is false.
Ed won't last the day, he almost resigned at his count.
what about EU students like me?
i wish someone could say everything will be alright but im not feeling it.
Napoleonthechimp
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Maybe Ed shouldn't have fucked over his brother. At least then Labour would've had a convincing leader.
Jezbollah
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Just to show how badly the polling was before yesterday, here it is right now with 587 seats declared:
Con: 36%
Lab: 31%
LD: 8%
UKIP: 12%
SNP: 5%
Others: 8%
if you had said this a few days ago you would have been mocked.
Try 18 hours!
Con: 36%
Lab: 31%
LD: 8%
UKIP: 12%
SNP: 5%
Others: 8%
if you had said this a few days ago you would have been mocked.
Try 18 hours!
ExtremePopcorn
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I didn't read any of the manifestos but both the Tories and Lib Dems managed to convey their economic policies through election material, the media, etc to a level where I could understand their policies and see what I liked and didn't like. With Labour it was the same old stuff over and over, "rich bad, tax them".
If I'm honest it's more a problem with how Labour ran their election than their policies it seems but as a undecided voter it was their job to convince me, they didn't but the Tories did.
brain_stew
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What were Labour offering on the NHS though? They kicked up a bit of a fuss over the privatisation that they started but wouldn't give any firm commitments on ending it. They cobbled up some headline grabbing bollocks about more nurses and yet they wouldn't commit to the same funding levels as the conservatives.
They offered nothing of substance.
Mr. Luchador
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A few things that have surprised me this election
- My sudden awareness of just how unbalanced the current voting system is. I'm not using this as an excuse for CONs being voted in (as they still have the popular vote), but rather blown away how SNP with less votes, can hold more seats than UKIP and Green (for example)
- My own personal belief that UKIP is a passing phase is probably wrong as they've done pretty strongly on a vote to vote basis. Clearly they have a rather strong spread of support across the UK.
- Just how 'Left' the internet is!
- My sudden awareness of just how unbalanced the current voting system is. I'm not using this as an excuse for CONs being voted in (as they still have the popular vote), but rather blown away how SNP with less votes, can hold more seats than UKIP and Green (for example)
- My own personal belief that UKIP is a passing phase is probably wrong as they've done pretty strongly on a vote to vote basis. Clearly they have a rather strong spread of support across the UK.
- Just how 'Left' the internet is!
The_Hitcher89
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Have you been into the fucking town centre recently?Theresa May said:
Every constituency in Berkshire aside from Slough is Tory.
Yep. Me to. My wife has a meeting next Wednesday to request a career break from the NHS. It's awful. She won't be going back after that career break, I'm certain now.
My wake up routine has been 1, 4, 8, 4, 1, 4, 1, 4, 8
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
David Milliband is Blair 2 fuck that cunt. Ed maybe a dweeb but he's decent.
Labour need to create a distinct identity that isn't just boring old centrist, traditional viewpoints. Anti-immigration is covered, fiscal responsibility is covered. They need something positive and left wing imo. John Smith Labour maybe.
Point two there is scary.
Part of the reason I decided not to vote Labour in the end was because they were too central. Too Tory-lite. Now the rise of UKIP shows that a lot of people in Britain were keen for a move to the right.
industrian
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"Chancellor George Osborne tells the BBC he was sad to see his former Lib Dem Treasury Secretary Danny Alexander lose his seat - but says his former Lib Dem coalition colleagues paid the price for distancing themselves from the last government's successes."
Osborne is a masterful troll.
Osborne is a masterful troll.
Marc
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Which was intended by Labour with their policies, assuming at the time they would have Scotland, North of England and London. Not quite worked out like that, and all it has done is create segregation, distrust of politics and pressure on every service.
Weirdly even though the people who implemented this have held their hands up to say they goofed, its still a touchy subject and been many a case of thought crime since. Although admittedly racism does exist in this area, tarring everyone is not a good way to combat it and more likely to enforce such thoughts.
Who buys papers btw now? Their influence is overplayed IMO, they're all a joke by being so obviously biased but admittedly I am foolish in this area. In the same way I think it is stupid that someone like Brand saying vote here, and people do... without any internal debate. That just boggles my mind.
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