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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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So only like 3 or 4 guys in the past century?
Sir_Crocodile
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you can't keep taking people for granted like labour did in scotland dude.
Baleoce
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Even though he was oblivious, by itself It actually would have been a witty statement had his friend not interjected and explained.
well...rich people are richer too, now
and...........poor people are poorer
so that's........good
Didn't vote at all. I'm Aussie. I'm just cheerleading from the sides. Feel free to use it as ammo to tell me to bugger off and mind my own business though.
Serious question: can you count?
If it's to do with English fears of the Scottish bogeyman then frankly that's England's problem.
It doesn't define their very being, but it does give you an idea of the level of understanding and personal relatability some of these politicians may have with those far removed from their own socio economic standings.
I'll help, Royal Mail sell-off was botched, introduced bedroom tax, 3.6 million disabled people targeted by spending cuts, debt higher than it was under Labour, banker bonuses protected, hundreds of thousands of the new jobs created are either insecure or zero hour contracts and the largest A&E department closure in NHS history.
This is just a taste of what we can expect in the next five years.
Yup, I've had it good under both parties, but I'll have it better under a Tory majority. Not that I voted for them as I've been at the bottom both when I was younger under the Tories and my family was struggling and myself, fortunately under Labour that time so I managed to get by and rebuild. Personally voted labour as I know a lot of people would be better off, even if I probably would have lost out tax wise. I can't blame people that would vote Tory to suit themselves, even Tony's labour reinforced the idea of it being a dog eat dog world and that approach is always going to bring a new generation of people that would lean to the right.
The only thing that has irked me slightly is the backlash against the Lib Dems. It feels really short-sighted as no-one was going to succeed in that position. Yes, they could have been stronger, but that would have left us in an even worse position like America is in with their 1 party president and the other party calling the votes. They also could have joined Labour, but I agree with their stance of negotiating with the bigger party first. but hey, well played to the Tory campaign for getting the narrative out there because they've managed to turn some very left leaning seats to the right side.
British politics is generally an old boys club. Public schools.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Wondering if the Tories can now maybe privatise this new food bank industry they've managed to carve out.
This is a case of idiots being allowed to vote. idiots are easily influenced by tabloid media propaganda.
This country is going to go to absolute shit over the next 5 years. These parties are absolute NOT the same and anybody who says different is out of touch with reality.
Let me tell you about a disabled woman i know. I won't go into her conditions, but she is unable to work. She was hoping Labour were going to go in so she would no longer have to pay the £17 a week bedroom tax she is being forced to pay. That was a policy that Labour promised to bring in on day 1. Because the Tories got in she will now lose about £4400 over the course of the next 5 years. That is completely ignoring the fact that the Tories plan on raising the bedroom tax and taxing her disability benefits. That is something that she cannot afford, and as she is unable to work, there is literally nothing she can do about it. Notice when Cameron done his speech in Witney he said this party is about 'WORKING PEOPLE' what about people who can't work? He doesn't give a fucking shit. They can get fucked. That's how he feels. Everyone can work and anybody claiming to be disabled is lying just ask Atos or whatever unqualified third party he has paid to lie about medical conditions to get disabled people off of disability benefits.
Labour are not perfect, infact Labour were the ones who brought in Atos, but to deny Labour look after the more vulnerable more than the Tories is absolutely insane and has no place being discussed in a serious thread.
Become aware of different communities around you and empathise with them a bit more.
This country is going to go to absolute shit over the next 5 years. These parties are absolute NOT the same and anybody who says different is out of touch with reality.
Let me tell you about a disabled woman i know. I won't go into her conditions, but she is unable to work. She was hoping Labour were going to go in so she would no longer have to pay the £17 a week bedroom tax she is being forced to pay. That was a policy that Labour promised to bring in on day 1. Because the Tories got in she will now lose about £4400 over the course of the next 5 years. That is completely ignoring the fact that the Tories plan on raising the bedroom tax and taxing her disability benefits. That is something that she cannot afford, and as she is unable to work, there is literally nothing she can do about it. Notice when Cameron done his speech in Witney he said this party is about 'WORKING PEOPLE' what about people who can't work? He doesn't give a fucking shit. They can get fucked. That's how he feels. Everyone can work and anybody claiming to be disabled is lying just ask Atos or whatever unqualified third party he has paid to lie about medical conditions to get disabled people off of disability benefits.
Labour are not perfect, infact Labour were the ones who brought in Atos, but to deny Labour look after the more vulnerable more than the Tories is absolutely insane and has no place being discussed in a serious thread.
Become aware of different communities around you and empathise with them a bit more.
That and the crushing of the Lib Dems are the only positives for me
Where do we organise the revolution?
It's ridiculous. But then, I find it hard to respect someone's political opinion when it amounts to "Cameron is a cunt", "Tory bastards", etc.
No, it really isn't.
The hell is a bedroom tax? Is it a tax on having sex? Is this an anti-catholic thing?
Ramsay MacDonald didn't have university education if I remember correctly he basically got into politics after working his way through the newspaper ranks.
Go home mateDidn't vote at all. I'm Aussie. I'm just cheerleading from the sides. Feel free to use it as ammo to tell me to bugger off and mind my own business though.
Does the argument work the other way too? That poorly educated people don't understand complex economies and long-term implications? I think both viewpoints are rude, prejudice, and short-sighted.
Baleoce
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Worryingly in Hereford and south Herefordshire (which has always been either conservative or lib dem) , ukip came in a pretty convincing 2nd. Tories wiped the floor here though.
Mr. Luchador
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This was their first Election with real media coverage, from what I can remember. It totally raised me awareness in their party and beliefs. Some of them are a little outlandish, but the core of what they proposed seemed promising (maybe a little too promising), but I'm one of those fools who believe in hopes and dreams!
Also, once again I'm happy I kept an eye on this thread over the last few weeks as there are a lot of good people in here who took their time to explain things and offer websites to check to make my OWN opinion. I'll probably check into UK-GAF more often now.
Yeah, this is a fair point. I certainly feel that the major parties are just 'Southern Parties' at heart (Yes, I'm a Northern Monkey). TheyWorkForYou opened my eyes on just how strangely the Labour MP voted on matters over the last few years compared to my own beliefs.
We really need a voting system that better takes into account the fact that there are multiple states in this Union and not just "Well Scotland voted almost universally against the current government, that's a shame because England wants it and what we say goes."
Nah man, it's Friday.
What you call Public Schools I'd call "Expensive as all fuck Private Schools" right?
People tend to just fall asleep when you really talk about economics for more than two sentences.
I know people bash the Labour government, but we still aren't back to the living standards of pre-crisis levels.
That would be a good indicator to put your hands up and go: yep, the Tories have at least done as well as the labour lot did before the financial crisis.
The other concern of mine is that productivity is negative.
I know people bash the Labour government, but we still aren't back to the living standards of pre-crisis levels.
That would be a good indicator to put your hands up and go: yep, the Tories have at least done as well as the labour lot did before the financial crisis.
The other concern of mine is that productivity is negative.
No I agree with you. I'm speaking more about the few of us making light jokes of it.
Sir_Crocodile
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Andrew Bonar Law, Ramsay MacDonald, Neville Chamberlain...
Oh no! Those chaps I didn't want electing got elected!
(That phrase was always going to work today).
(That phrase was always going to work today).
Never too early on a Friday.
Don't blame Scotland.
Blame the English idiots that just voted for a further 12 billion in ideologically driven cuts and a continued pursuance of a plan that has already been so devastating.
RIP welfare state
RIP NHS
RIP any respect for the English electorate
fucking pricks.
Blame the English idiots that just voted for a further 12 billion in ideologically driven cuts and a continued pursuance of a plan that has already been so devastating.
RIP welfare state
RIP NHS
RIP any respect for the English electorate
fucking pricks.
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I know. I don't really blame them for voting that way.
Those living in social housing who had more bedrooms than tenants now have to pay an additional rate, the official term being "spare room subsidy". Basically the school of thought that the poor should get by on as little as possible.
Yes, "Daddy owns half of Berkshire" type schools
MasterLeePhD
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Really! If Labour won every seat in Scotland, theyd still be behind the Tories.
SlickShoes
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Anyone suggesting that Scotland voted the Tories in by not voting labour is mathematically challenged. Even if labour swept the country (which would never happen anyway) they still wouldn't have enough seats. Labour lost England so they lost the election, anyone with a brain can see that year after year the only country you need to win to get in to no.10 is England.
Yes, absolutely. Luckily there isn't a single uneducated person running in either of the main camps. Though Labour does definitely have more of a mix as far as their own candidates are concerned.
Psycho_Mantis
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Not necessarily. This generalisation is just silly as are most generalisations.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
travisbickle
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Gordon Brown and Tony Blair, they both went to Edinburgh (I think?)
The_Hitcher89
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Its just how democracy works innit
Everyone can see the writing on the wall for the NHS, but when it becomes an inconvenience people will quickly forget that they played their part in smoothing the way.
Sir_Crocodile
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reckless is toast
hahahahahaha
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Please don't hate on the scots. The Tory supporters voted the Tories in, simple as that. Scotland voted what was best for them. I'm saying this because that will be the spin from media over the next 5 years i.e.Blame SNP, don't vote SNP, when the fact is even with SNP votes Labour wouldn't get in.
Quite a Reckless party change.
So I just got up this morning, to discover a situation that's so much worse than I expected: the Tories are on course for a non-coalition majority. Tories back in again? With no coalition "brake" on their more extreme ideas? The next 5 years are going to be very bad.
Plus my town got stole by Labour from the Lib Dem incumbent Julian Huppert
Plus my town got stole by Labour from the Lib Dem incumbent Julian Huppert
Psycho_Mantis
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Seems more like your views not aligning with a large amount of the public's
GAF is *very* left wing compared to the average site, it lost it's balance years ago so the posts here are far from representative of the UK as a whole.
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