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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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Beefy

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I'm blue DA BA DE DA BA DI DA BA DE DA BA DI DA BA DE DA BA DI DA BA DE DA BA DI DA BA DE DA BA DI DA BA DE DA BA DI I'm blue if i were Lib Dems I would die.

Edit: beaten.
 
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Ding-Ding

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Showaddy said:
So now they've got a majority how long until English Votes for English Laws gets brought in? Weeks or months?
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It will probably be quite quick for it to surface but an age to actually be sorted. Question is will it become a federal UK and what will be the exact form
 
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faridmon

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I was actually quite surprised the gap of the Conservative seats were compared to the Labour when I left work to check on the results. Even the towns that were hit hard by the austerity seemed to vote for the Tories which was shocking, what gives?

Birmingham Yardly remained Labour because our MP is actually awesome dude
 
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Hasney

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Sir Fragula said:
Constitutionally how will that work? I mean surely there's all sorts of precedents around preventing Parliament from creating 2nd class members?
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I'm assuming it will be one of the conditions of more powers to the other parts of the UK, so a little bit of "you get more authority to run your own place, but less say here".
 
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Walshicus

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Hasney said:
I'm assuming it will be one of the conditions of more powers to the other parts of the UK, so a little bit of "you get more authority to run your own place, but less say here".
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What I mean is, how enforceable is it if the SNP just decide to say no to EVEL.
 
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Tak3n said:
instantly as it shuts the SNP down in 1 move, it will be rushed through parliament as fast as they can
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I doubt the SNP have/had and real desire to interfere in anything not relating to Scotland.

They're there to try to give their supporters a voice on issues relating to Scotland or the UK as a whole, not to piss of the English ( no matter what the English SUN says).

No right minded person would have any issue with only English MPs voting on issues relating only to England.
 
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twobear

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I also think this result will knock the wind out of the political sails of a whole generation of young voters. Expect turnouts to drop for the foreseeable future, particularly among younger people.
 
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godelsmetric said:
I also think this result will knock the wind out of the political sails of a whole generation of young voters. Expect turnouts to drop for the foreseeable future, particularly among younger people.
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If so, it says a lot about those young voters. One loss and you take your ball home?
 
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HazySaiyan

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system11 said:
No disagreement there. I think they should abolish the concept of MPs based on boundaries and just have a set number of MP seats which get allocated per party based on total vote counts, and leave the parties to fill the seats with the relevant people from their ranks based on bartering with potential coalition partners.
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I'd be fine with that personally. I guess it does raise the question of accountability if you don't necessarily know who your MP is.
 
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mrklaw

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I don't think I've ever met someone who genuinely likes Conservative politicians and yet my entire county voted pretty much entirely Conservative. I don't think I'll ever understand.
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get a random selection of the public into a room. Ask for a show of hands on how many watch porn. Compare to how many actually watch porn.
 
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godelsmetric said:
I also think this result will knock the wind out of the political sails of a whole generation of young voters. Expect turnouts to drop for the foreseeable future, particularly among younger people.
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To corroborate this, I live in an incredibly safe Conservative area and grew up here. I'm 20 now and obviously have bonds with many people my age who grew up in the same situation.

NOBODY wanted the Tories. I don't know a single person my age who isn't surprised and a little upset about it. I can absolutely see people losing faith in the importance of their vote with a big shake like this at a young voting age.
 
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Tak3n

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RulkezX said:
I doubt the SNP have/had and real desire to interfere in anything not relating to Scotland.

They're there to try to give their supporters a voice on issues relating to Scotland or the UK as a whole, not to piss of the English ( no matter what the English SUN says).

No right minded person would have any issue with only English MPs voting on issues relating only to England.
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it is more to do with a thin majority, as if Cameron gets a back bench revolt it wont matter if the SNP can not vote, but if he constantly gets 320 votes against him he would constantly be beholden to his back benchers
 
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Oh man, as this wasn't really something I saw coming, I have no puns ready about a Tory majority for a thread title. Apart from blue-daba-dee-ba.

As our last one lasted five years I sort of feel it should be a joke for the future too. Something about the united kingdom with scotland and the EU and I'll work on a joke when I'm not sleep deprived. The Still United Kingdom For Now. Or mocking the opposition. We have to mock the losers.

Early suggestion for 2017, In Out In Out Shake It All About for the EU Referendum.
 
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faridmon said:
I was actually quite surprised the gap of the Conservative seats were compared to the Labour when I left work to check on the results. Even the towns that were hit hard by the austerity seemed to vote for the Tories which was shocking, what gives?

Birmingham Yardly remained Labour because our MP is actually awesome dude
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Lack of decent opposition really. The Tories looked like the only party who had their shit together going into this election.

Regardless of what you think of the policies, the Conservatives had the strongest leader and probably the most capable MPs.

I have to admit to having a little smile to myself thinking of all the very progressive folks on the train this morning wiping away their tears with a copy of the Guardian once the result became clear.
 
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mrklaw

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Sir Fragula said:
Constitutionally how will that work? I mean surely there's all sorts of precedents around preventing Parliament from creating 2nd class members?
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but Parliament already cannot vote on devolved issues for Scotland/Wales. Presumably that provides a precedent for it to also work in the other direction?
 
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Walshicus

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SmokyDave said:
If so, it says a lot about those young voters. One loss and you take your ball home?
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Just a consequence of FPTP. It takes a lot of energy to overcome the majorities our system has created (for any party); most of us live in places where our votes just don't matter.
 
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SmokyDave said:
If so, it says a lot about those young voters. One loss and you take your ball home?
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I think the nature of this loss is what has done it.

Watch this video of a group of utter morons. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32636498. The only one of those to come out of this with a shred of credibility is the woman that at least admitted she gave into the SNP fear mongering.

This has been a victory for the rich, the mean-spirited, the perennially misinformed, and the temporarily embarrassed millionaires who, on the grounds of aspirational delusion, won't vote for a party which protects their own interests.
 
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system11

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31GhostsIV said:
The point of the Human Rights Act is that it works above government. Nations shouldn't be able to make their own amendments to it as they see fit, that defeats the entire purpose.
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You really typed that didn't you?

Nations shouldn't be able to enforce rules laid out by the EU Convention of Human Rights, which are not the things being contested here, in the ways they want or need to?

As I said, not even Germany do that and they're one of the main creators of the EU court in the first place.
 
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Daemul

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So when is the devolution settlement with Scotland meant to be decided again? I just need to know so that we Scots can started on building that 20 foot high wall across the length of the border lol
 
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twobear

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SmokyDave said:
That's not exclusive to the young though, I'd imagine that's how most people feel at one time or another.
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Not really? If you perennially vote based just on what you think will be best for you and yours, it's not difficult to imagine that you might always be pretty happy with whoever gets into power.
 
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