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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!

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SomTervo

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I agree.

It was definitely a case of there only being one party that seemed functional, capable, and ready to lead. I think being able to form a strong government was hugely important, and a coalition wouldn't really have been in anyone's interests.

Labour just aren't ready to be back in power. Ed was out of his depth, and I would also seriously question his ability to operate effectively in the theatre of global politics.

"Functional, capable and ready to lead" isn't exactly relevant when the party in question weren't voted for by two thirds of the electorate.

I'm not an Ed defender, but you can't question that ability because he never came near that context. We've never seen how he operates in global politics. He's never been tried or tested. The only thing we have to go on is his not-great public persona and his surprisingly sound principles on a lot of issues. Neither of which tell us anything about what he would have been like as a leader.

The whole system is sick, sick, sick.

Well, I unashamedly put my family before anyone else. Those are the people I have a duty of care to.

I don't care if that makes some people say I'm selfish.

Nationa/local government provides a way for us to care for millions, even tens of millions of people at once.

It gives us a way of increasing that 'duty of care' to envelop lots more people than just ourselves.

That's the bloody point.

The point in democracy, voting and organised society. We can do what's best for most people and vote according to what's best for most people.
 

RedShift

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Well, I unashamedly put my family before anyone else. Those are the people I have a duty of care to.

I don't care if that makes some people say I'm selfish.

Cool. Hope that consoles you when you hear of people topping themselves after being forced to work with disabilities or whatever other atrocities happen in the next five years.

We aren't going to move forward until people start thinking about everyone and not just those they share a house with.
 

PJV3

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Well, I unashamedly put my family before anyone else. Those are the people I have a duty of care to.

I don't care if that makes some people say I'm selfish.

That's fine.
But you don't live in a bubble and a healthy fair society is also in your family interest. Well unless you are filthy rich and then it doesn't matter at all.
 
I don't want to have a go at you but don't you think it's rather selfish to only vote based on what's best for you and not consider how it will affect the poorest and most vulnerable in society?

If people are really voting based purely on self interest I guess that explains the result, but... I don't see how you can consider yourself a good person if that's all you care about.

People will die because of he austerity policies of this government. Having to pay a little less tax isn't worth that.

This whole argument is predicated on the idea that the only correct way to vote is for the left. I'm sure you have no problem with poor people voting for more benefits (and this thread has demonstrated what many think of the idea that a young, poor person in Cornwall might like the idea of a low-tax, pro-business economy).
 

Tak3n

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George Osbourne to lead discussions on Europe as well as chancellor


FYI he is very euro sceptic

EU exit here we come
 

nib95

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I wonder if the Lib Dems have fucked over any chance at a leftist hold in the country for years to come. If they had never done the coalition with the Tories, and instead gone and done one with Labour, would we have had a Labour + SNP + Lib Dem coalition today? Would SNP have even made these massive gains? Hmmm.
 

TCRS

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good day. never expected labour to win but a conservative majority... wow.
 
"Functional, capable and ready to lead" isn't exactly relevant when the party in question weren't voted for by two thirds of the electorate.

I'm not an Ed defender, but you can't make question that ability because he never came near that context. We've never seen how he operates in global politics. He's never been tried or tested. The only thing we have to go on is his not-great public persona and his surprisingly sound principles on a lot of issues. Neither of which tell us anything about what he would have been like as a leader.

The whole system is sick, sick, sick.

But they were still voted for by more people than voted for any other party, by a decent margin. No point complaining about how our elections work. Makes people look like sore losers and happens everytime, only the side complaining changes.

I only question his global political credentials, because I don't think he is even particularly good domestically. I know its a tad unfair, as like you say, he is untested, but if I had to pick between him and Cameron, it'd be Dave all the way.
 
Cool. Hope that consoles you when you hear of people topping themselves after being forced to work with disabilities or whatever other atrocities happen in the next five years.

We aren't going to move forward until people start thinking about everyone and not just those they share a house with.

Wind in the drama. This sounds like a sixth form politics discussion now.

How many people were left fucked and out of work thanks to Labour's reckless spending prior to the market crash? I dare say a few homes, businesses, and maybe even lives were lost.
 

SomTervo

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Cool. Hope that consoles you when you hear of people topping themselves after being forced to work with disabilities or whatever other atrocities happen in the next five years.

We aren't going to move forward until people start thinking about everyone and not just those they share a house with.

Yep. Again, the whole point of organised government in a society is to improve things for as many people as possible. It's a really simple way of letting us see past our own front door and choose what's best for a lot of people.

Also "most people in the UK" =/= "Londoners".
 

Walshicus

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Wind in the drama. This sounds like a sixth form politics discussion now.

How many people were left fucked and out of work thanks to Labour's reckless spending prior to the market crash? I dare say a few homes, businesses, and maybe even lives were lost.

Labour's spending wasn't responsible for the recession. It happened everywhere.

The ConDem program of austerity is what led to the missing half-decade of growth; smothering the recovery that started in 2010 with brainless, ideologically driven cuts.
 
Cool. Hope that consoles you when you hear of people topping themselves after being forced to work with disabilities or whatever other atrocities happen in the next five years.

We aren't going to move forward until people start thinking about everyone and not just those they share a house with.

Does your meaning of 'everyone' include the wealthy/well off/healthy person? If so in what way?

Teresa May could be being moved.

to the moon hopefully

Her work here is done, she has to return to the underworld now to torture the souls she has harvested.

haha you all mean
 

kitch9

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Wind in the drama. This sounds like a sixth form politics discussion now.

How many people were left fucked and out of work thanks to Labour's reckless spending prior to the market crash? I dare say a few homes, businesses, and maybe even lives were lost.

That was *insert anyone but labours* fault though.
 

Cyrillus

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Wind in the drama. This sounds like a sixth form politics discussion now.

How many people were left fucked and out of work thanks to Labour's reckless spending prior to the market crash? I dare say a few homes, businesses, and maybe even lives were lost.
You're seriously blaming the market crash on government spending?
 

system11

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George Osbourne to lead discussions on Europe as well as chancellor


FYI he is very euro sceptic

EU exit here we come

Eurosceptic does not mean 'wants to vote to leave Europe entirely'. He's not an idiot, when the referendum rolls around expect to see the question spun in a way that makes actually voting to leave impossible. The Conservative party do not want to leave Europe, they've hampered referendum attempts before.
 
Jo Johnson.
both Johnsons, actually, I think. I think people assume Boris is Eurosceptic because he has such high popularity with the backbenchers but he's actually not at all. Still, they aren't gonna make him foreign affairs or chancellor.

Imagine bojo at the foreign office.
 

kitch9

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Labour's spending wasn't responsible for the recession. It happened everywhere.

The ConDem program of austerity is what led to the missing half-decade of growth; smothering the recovery that started in 2010 with brainless, ideologically driven cuts.

It didn't happen everywhere.
 

Walshicus

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That was *insert anyone but labours* fault though.

You probably can blame Labour for not regulating the financial sector more heavily and keeping the fuckers in The City under a tighter grip. But the answer to that isn't to vote for a party that cares even less about reigning in London.
 

kitch9

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You're seriously blaming the market crash on government spending?

Deficit spending and flogging all the gold at the bottom of the market (Labour created the bottom by proclaiming they were going to flog a load of gold before they actually did.) left us in a bad way to deal with the situation yes.
 

Beefy

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I'm a Tory voter (or would if it was worth it in my area, I voted Libdem here).

When someone said Teresa May was being moved, I assumed it was to the burning stake.

It was suggested she would move to the Foreign office. But bad news she didn't.
 

nib95

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Overly colourful and dramatic, but still a fairly resonant post I saw on my Facebook.

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Congratulations Britain!

The majority of us are completely fucked, as is the NHS, the education system and my entire generation.

You've voted for food banks instead of freedom, for the rich instead of the poor and worst of all for profit over people.

You've successfully been conned into thinking that things are better than they were 5 years ago. Despite the soaring number of homeless people, children being raised in poverty, families relying on food banks and the empty shell of what was once an incredible national health service run for the benefit of the public not private sector profit.

You have voted for the party that tricked this nation into bailing the banks out of a crisis that the bankers themselves caused!

You have voted for a party that allowed the wealthiest 1000 people in this country to double their wealth in just 5 years. In the meantime working class people's pay packages have been hit their hardest for 40 years.

You voted for the party that allows the richest 1% to pay on average a real terms tax on their wealth of only 35% percent while the bottom 50% pay an average real terms tax of 45%.

You've voted for the party whose MPs almost all voted "NO" on a law that should have been passed to allow investigations into alleged historic paedophilia on a mass scale to be carried out more thoroughly and honestly. Do you know why? Because some of the alleged persecutors were ex Tory MPs and Conservative party funders!

You've voted for the party who have sided with Rupert Murdoch to create and unfair and at times racist smear campaign against Ed Miliband and his party.

You've voted for more privatisation, austerity and social warfare.

You've voted for a party whose main purpose is to generate wealth for their business owning, bank running, rich, shareholder friends. At the expense of everybody else.

So I say once again Britain, well done. A real standing fucking ovation for you.
 
I'm a Tory voter (or would if it was worth it in my area, I voted Libdem here).

When someone said Teresa May was being moved, I assumed it was to the burning stake.

Bloody hell, so she's not even really liked by the party's own voters? Her stance on the internet does worry me, she's like extreme netmums.
 
You really typed that didn't you?

Nations shouldn't be able to enforce rules laid out by the EU Convention of Human Rights, which are not the things being contested here, in the ways they want or need to?

As I said, not even Germany do that and they're one of the main creators of the EU court in the first place.

I'm not sure we're having the same conversation.

I never said 'nations shouldn't be able to enforce rules laid out by the EU convention of HR". I said that the Tories shouldn't be able to remove the UK from it altogether and replace it with their own self-serving 'bill of rights', which is what they're doing.
 
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