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[jimbobsmells]

Rape capital of the west, enjoy.

Hmm that seems a little unnecessary

 

[PJV3]

The defeat might of bashed some humility into Balls. He had the talent and knowledge, but he was arrogant. I don't mind him returning if he is going to be constructive.

But not this year, he has to do the work and earn it.

 

[CyclopsRock]

And people get all up in arms (wrongly!) thinking PR wouldn't let them elect locally and then this sort of stuff happens and I think what's the point? In a mixed member proportional system Ed would have been on number two of the party list and easily gotten into parliament without the need for such back room fiddling.

I'm not entirely sure if I understand what you mean, but surely that's a bad thing? I mean, there was only one set of people at this election who had a direct say on Ed Balls and they voted to get rid of him. Surely it's a bad thing that the electorate wouldn't have that choice under PR.

 

[anonymous_abc]

I'm not entirely sure if I understand what you mean, but surely that's a bad thing? I mean, there was only one set of people at this election who had a direct say on Ed Balls and they voted to get rid of him. Surely it's a bad thing that the electorate wouldn't have that choice under PR.

Yes in that system the party electorate gets at least some say in who they want in parliament and yes the general electorate cannot stop that.
But in the scenario you are painting he might still get in by pushing someone else who was legitimately elected out.

 

[hepburn3d]

I'm not entirely sure if I understand what you mean, but surely that's a bad thing? I mean, there was only one set of people at this election who had a direct say on Ed Balls and they voted to get rid of him. Surely it's a bad thing that the electorate wouldn't have that choice under PR.

CyclopsRock you have 749 replies in this thread :| I salute your dedication to this election.

 

[jimbobsmells]

The defeat might of bashed some humility into Balls. He had the talent and knowledge, but he was arrogant. I don't mind him returning if he is going to be constructive.

But not this year, he has to do the work and earn it.

'Bashing humility into balls' is not something that should be stirring emotions in me the way it is.

 

[CyclopsRock]

Yes in that system the party electorate gets at least some say in who they want in parliament and yes the general electorate cannot stop that.
But in the scenario you are painting he might still get in by pushing someone else who was legitimately elected out.

Aah, I see. Yes, that's true. I'm pretty sure the other guy is some old fuck though tbf, but yeah. Ultimately who the party decide to put up is always going to limit who the electorate can elect.

CyclopsRock you have 749 replies in this thread :| I salute your dedication to this election.

That's a very kind way of putting it, thanks!

 

[PrivateRyan]

https://twitter.com/50ShadesOfTory

Quoted because this Twitter account is brilliant and mad respect for the Hotflush avatar as well.

 

[industrian]

There have been rumours circulating that one of the Coventry MPs may make his excuses and depart, making way for Balls to make a return. Aside from the fact that the local Labour party didn't seem too keen, there's not a much more significant a indictment of your political popularity than losing your seat whilst the Shadow Chancellor. The guy is about as popular as radioactive dog shit - given they will presumably try to paint their future as a break from the past, I can't imagine they'll even want him back.

If anything, this should be the point where Labour purges themselves of anyone tainted by the Blair-Gordon-Miliband era. Their next leader should be one who is willing to take one on the chin for the team and usher in a complete restructuring for the party at the cost of essentially ruling themselves out of winning the next election.

But personally I think Labour are unelectable until the Tories shoot themselves in the feet like they did in the mid 90s.

 

[CyclopsRock]

If anything, this should be the point where Labour purges themselves of anyone tainted by the Blair-Gordon-Miliband era. Their next leader should be one who is willing to take one on the chin for the team and usher in a complete restructuring for the party at the cost of essentially ruling themselves out of winning the next election.

But personally I think Labour are unelectable until the Tories shoot themselves in the feet like they did in the mid 90s.

12 more years! 12 more years!

 

[MrChom]

If anything, this should be the point where Labour purges themselves of anyone tainted by the Blair-Gordon-Miliband era. Their next leader should be one who is willing to take one on the chin for the team and usher in a complete restructuring for the party at the cost of essentially ruling themselves out of winning the next election.

But personally I think Labour are unelectable until the Tories shoot themselves in the feet like they did in the mid 90s.

I dunno....I think they did more of a hatchet job on both feet, and managed to catch the worst moment with Major being branded grey and dull next to Tony Blair and his shark-like smile.

Sadly there's an awful lot of image in politics, and not a lot of policy that has to back it up.

 

[CyclopsRock]

This actually made me cry with laughter at work:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/polit...rm-rural-puppet-theatre-company-2015051198181

Lib Dem MPs to form rural puppet theatre company
11-05-15

THE remaining Liberal Democrat MPs are to tour the country in a people carrier re-engaging voters via a hard-hitting puppet show.

Since resigning as party leader, Nick Clegg has already started writing the show under the working title of Vince Cable and Danny Alexander Are Dead.

The marionette-based play will tour village halls, post offices and launderettes throughout the UK for the next five years.

Clegg said: “Now that all of the Liberal Democrat’s elected representatives can fit neatly into a Mazda Bongo, the time is ripe to take to the road and commune with the ordinary people of Britain via politically-charged puppetry.

“Mark Williams has started constructing the set out of an old bed sheet and a torch, whilst Norman Lamb and Tim Farron are composing a haunting score for recorder and kazoo.

“The other four will mainly be coming along to pad out the audiences and make cups of tea.”

 

[Moosichu]

If anything, this should be the point where Labour purges themselves of anyone tainted by the Blair-Gordon-Miliband era. Their next leader should be one who is willing to take one on the chin for the team and usher in a complete restructuring for the party at the cost of essentially ruling themselves out of winning the next election.

But personally I think Labour are unelectable until the Tories shoot themselves in the feet like they did in the mid 90s.

They seem to moving straight back to Blairite policies though

 

[anonymous_abc]

They seem to moving straight back to Blairite policies though

I wonder why...

Spoiler

They won with those 3 times.

 

[PJV3]

What really did the tories in was Labour voters realising they had to vote tactically and likewise with libdems.

People finally did whatever it took to get them out. If redrawing the boundaries doesn't focus a few minds I would be quite surprised.

 

[driver116]

Hey, keep ignoring the Scots, that worked out so well for you this election

You must be living under a rock or are incredibly short-sighted / ignorant.

 

[Moosichu]

I wonder why...

Spoiler

They won with those 3 times.

It's those 'blairite' policies which were supposedly responsible for us 'running out of money'. If they want votes they should distance themselves from Blair.

 

[Tak3n]

Conservative on Victoria Derbyshire

under HRA


4.4m paid out to terrorists, paedophiles and murderers .....that wont happen under British BOR, British parliament is sovereign and what they say must be law, not challenged in strassburg

Germany is the same

 

[FlammableD]

You must be living under a rock or are incredibly short-sighted / ignorant.

What an enlightening and not at all cunty response. Please educate me.

 

[War Peaceman]

Conservative on Victoria Derbyshire

under HRA


4.4m paid out to terrorists, paedophiles and murderers .....that wont happen under British BOR, British parliament is sovereign and what they say must be law, not challenged in strassburg

Germany is the same

This is brazen scaremongering. Christ

I have yet to meet a member of the Labour Party who doesn't see his removal as one of the few positive hings from last week. The guy is *loathed* by his own party for being s bully, is viewed to have completely screwed his role as shadow chancellor, and is generally seen to be far better gone.

I really doubt that straight after an election someone else is going to step aside to let him back in. That makes a real mockery of elections full stop.

Nobody should step aside so soon. That would be wrong.

Also none of what you said disagrees with what I said. Although I'm pretty sure Yvette cooper would be willing to let him back in...

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

What an enlightening and not at all cunty response. Please educate me.

I assume he's referring to the fact that cameron has already stated he'll be moving forward with the smith commision recommendations

 

[frankie_baby]

There have been rumours circulating that one of the Coventry MPs may make his excuses and depart, making way for Balls to make a return. Aside from the fact that the local Labour party didn't seem too keen, there's not a much more significant a indictment of your political popularity than losing your seat whilst the Shadow Chancellor. The guy is about as popular as radioactive dog shit - given they will presumably try to paint their future as a break from the past, I can't imagine they'll even want him back.

David miliband would be a better choice to be parachuted into Coventry

 

[Tak3n]

This is brazen scaremongering. Christ...

they have bought on that guy who daughter was horrible run over by that Iraq guy who was then allowed to stay in the country..

under BBOR he would never be allowed to stay

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

David miliband would be a better choice to be parachuted into Coventry

I think he's already ruled himself out of the leadership

 

[CyclopsRock]

David miliband would be a better choice to be parachuted into Coventry

I don't think it'd be a better choice for David Miliband though!

 

[Tak3n]

I think he's already ruled himself out of the leadership

I think he said he could not stand because he was not a MP, so it ruled him out....

 

[PJV3]

This is brazen scaremongering.

I'm giving up on this one.

Human rights law isn't meant to be a popularity contest, this government needs to tread carefully.

 

[Tak3n]

BBC at Downing street..

The tories are going to say they are Blue Collar Conservaties, on the side or people who want to get on, and if you are on benefits things will get a little sticky

 

[Moosichu]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32606713

Labour's internal polling matched the election more closely than the public ones. They also showed they Labour were polling ok until the SNP fear mongering kicked in.

 

[Crispy75]

Businesses create wealth, not money.

Workers create wealth. Bosses appropriate it

 

[Thornton Reed]

David miliband would be a better choice to be parachuted into Coventry

i agree with this.

The people in Leeds hated Balls. I was listening to 5live the other day and die hard labour voters were voting for other parties as they wanted him out so much.

I think he really damaged the Labour campaign.

Edit: can i just say I'm loving that this thread has still got legs. Brilliant debate in here

 

[Tak3n]

I'm giving up on this one.

Human rights law isn't meant to be a popularity contest, this government needs to tread carefully.

The BBC said in reality not a lot of people care that much about all the little nuances of the HRA and the tories are about to go into the EU waving the reform flag that they might just back off having another fight on a subject the ordinary man does not care that much about and push it to the long grass

 

[driver116]

What an enlightening and not at all cunty response. Please educate me.

That vulgar language backs up what I'm saying in a nutshell. What a horrible reply

 

[FlammableD]

That vulgar language backs up what I'm saying in a nutshell. What a horrible reply

I'm sorry I did a swear and poisoned your poor eyes. Maybe don't call people ignorant for no reason and with no explanation in the future, hmm?

I assume he's referring to the fact that cameron has already stated he'll be moving forward with the smith commision recommendations

And that's all good. I don't agree with any argument that given their number of seats, and clear voted representation of an entire country, they shouldn't at least get the Lib Dems previous deal WRT being 3rd party.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Workers create wealth. Bosses appropriate it

God damn yes a thousand times yes.
Are we bees or are we flies! No more lies no more lies!

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

Funny thing, I was reading the sunday times editorials, and there was a piece talking about how great ed balls was. I was shocked until my eyes went back up to the top of the column and beheld the author : Damian McBride

lol

 

[industrian]

I think he's already ruled himself out of the leadership

I wonder why...

On 26 March 2013 the Daily Mirror reported that Miliband would be announcing the following day that he intended to resign as an MP and leave politics altogether. He announced he was taking up a charity post as head of the International Rescue Committee in New York where his remuneration is £300,000 ($450,000) a year.

According to the Financial Times,"Mr Miliband’s jobs include advisory roles with VantagePoint Capital Partners, a Californian group; Oxford Analytica, a UK advisory company; and Indus Basin Holdings, a Pakistani agrochemical group. He is also a member of the advisory board to the Sir Bani Yas academic forum, which is hosted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the United Arab Emirates. Despite supporting Arsenal, Mr Miliband is vice-chairman and a non-executive director of Sunderland. As a speaker he commands a fee of up to £20,000."

According to the Financial Times, "much of Mr Miliband’s time has been spent on his lucrative directorships and speaking roles, which he would be expected to give up if he returned to frontline politics…as of January 2013, David Miliband has made just short of £1m on top of his MP’s salary since he failed to win the Labour leadership in the summer of 2010."

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Workers create wealth. Bosses appropriate it

Workers are part of businesses. A business doesn't have to follow capitalist structures. /pedant

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Lib Dems should be considered to be a part of the "Other" pile after that result, no more "Third Party" for them.

 

[Crispy75]

Workers are part of businesses. A business doesn't have to follow capitalist structures. /pedant

Never let pedantry get in the way of a good soundbite

 

[Miles Quaritch]

BBC at Downing street..

The tories are going to say they are Blue Collar Conservaties, on the side or people who want to get on, and if you are on benefits things will get a little sticky

I mean, isn't there a pretty sizeable percentage of people who 'get on' but are also on benefits because they earn so little from 'getting on'?

 

[tomtom94]

I mean, isn't there a pretty sizeable percentage of people who 'get on' but are also on benefits because they earn so little from 'getting on'?

Details.

 

[PJV3]

Lib Dems should be considered to be a part of the "Other" pile after that result, no more "Third Party" for them.

I think they will bounce back quicker than people think. It depends how they respond to the defeat.
They will lose a lot of coverage to the SNP but that might work in their favour while they regroup.

The orange book group is finished, so half the battle is won already.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

And that's all good. I don't agree with any argument that given their number of seats, and clear voted representation of an entire country, they shouldn't at least get the Lib Dems previous deal WRT being 3rd party.

That's purely in the hands of the parlimentary authorities though as far as I know, nothing to do with the tories or labour. And yes, they should get whatever the liberals got since they have roughly the same number of seats.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32606713

Labour's internal polling matched the election more closely than the public ones. They also showed they Labour were polling ok until the SNP fear mongering kicked in.

Seems we're officially in the era of negative campaigning working wonderfully.

AV, Scottish independence, the Israeli elections, this election...the wonders that await the US presidential election.

Remember when positive campaigning was a thing? Ahh, the good old days.

 

[suedester]

Seems we're officially in the era of negative campaigning working wonderfully.

AV, Scottish independence, the Israeli elections, this election...the wonders that await the US presidential election.

Remember when positive campaigning was a thing? Ahh, the good old days.

It was excellent electioneering from the Tories. Got to give then credit.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

I think they will bounce back quicker than people think. It depends how they respond to the defeat.
They will lose a lot of coverage to the SNP but that might work in their favour while they regroup.

The orange book group is finished, so half the battle is won already.

Well, we'll see. It'll be interesting to see what they present in five years time. I wouldn't mind voting for a slightly 'saner' Green party. That's all I'm after, really.

 

[PJV3]

It was excellent electioneering from the Tories. Got to give then credit.

Ed should have tackled it head on instead of making the SNP sound like extremists, he ended up reinforcing the scare factor.

Hindsight I suppose.

 

[King_Moc]

It was excellent electioneering from the Tories. Got to give then credit.

For taking control of a country by lying to the electorate? Yeah, well done lads.

 

[Biggzy]

Details.

I think he is referring to tax credits etc.