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May 7th | UK General Election 2015 OT - Please go vote!
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Go_Ly_Dow
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My sister is voting conservative. Stated Labour put us in this mess with open borders and the economic crash.
I was on the verge of debating back with her held, but managed to hold my tongue. What's even more of a piss take with her views on Immigration is that my parents were Immigrants in the 80's.
Never will I get in to a political argument with her. Sigh....
I was on the verge of debating back with her held, but managed to hold my tongue. What's even more of a piss take with her views on Immigration is that my parents were Immigrants in the 80's.
Never will I get in to a political argument with her. Sigh....
Jezbollah
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My Dad is voting UKIP. He is Italian and came over here in the 1960s. And he's not too keen on this countries immigration policies these days. Go figure.
I'd love to know what idiocy convinces people here in England to believe that Scots hate then.
Pretty sure both my parents will too, although they fit more in with the predictable profile I'm sorry to say. Pretty sure they've both voted Labour at every other general election they've been eligible for.
BossDarkseid
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Took a "test" today that said I was 95% Labour.
Kinda surprised because my Dad's side of the family have traditionally been Conservative and my Mother has been Lib Dem the last few elections...that said it's not like I was 95% Labour and 5% everyone else, it's a percentage of a general outlook that you agree with. Still kinda stumped as to who I'll ultimately vote for...I want to vote Labour for tuition fees but...in that regard I've been burnt before, even if I have since come to terms with it.
Kinda surprised because my Dad's side of the family have traditionally been Conservative and my Mother has been Lib Dem the last few elections...that said it's not like I was 95% Labour and 5% everyone else, it's a percentage of a general outlook that you agree with. Still kinda stumped as to who I'll ultimately vote for...I want to vote Labour for tuition fees but...in that regard I've been burnt before, even if I have since come to terms with it.
ReplacementPelican
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I got told the same yesterday by my Mother, she was trying to say that the Scots have a bugbear with the English and said the only reason they stayed with the rest of the UK because of economics. A lot of English people seem to think like this in my experience, it's crazy.
Huw_Dawson
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It's an excellent policy, that one. It somehow manages to be both more regressive than the current system and more threatening to university funding.
The price of tuition should be decreased to zero, ideally. But just reducing the top line figure without making the fees themselves fairer for poorer students is daft.
Plus Labour can very quietly retreat on fees after the election. The NUS is quite heavily dominated by Young Labour - they don't fight back vs red rosettes.
I mean, they do. But we can all get along.
Labour were in government when the crash hit shouting "no more boom and bust!"
They stopped shouting that obviously. We also have an immigration system that effectively cuts off the rest of the world so we can have uncontrolled movement of people from the EU with no real way of focusing on skills our economy needs. Economic lunacy. Not really Labours fault, granted but they did decide to use the least amount of controls possible under EU rules along with a welcoming shall we say benefits system. The cynical side of me thinks that they had a good idea Scotland would stop voting for them.
Guess he is using the word racism because its a punchy word, however xenophobic would have been the more correct term for what he was trying to describe.
I can imagine hatred towards the English is more open now than before the referendum (probably just bitterness amongst the die hards) but doubt very much there was a escalation in the numbers of people with anti-English feelings
He might as well just say 'Fuck Scotland' and get it over with
From what I can gather the catalyst for my parents feelings lately towards Scotland is based off of Andy Murray saying something along the lines of "anyone but England", but I imagine they're feeling somewhat vindicated with the current press campaign against them.
>_<
EDIT: Right, I'm going to set aside an hour later this week to do the full run down on that vote for policies site. See where I should be standing on this.
>_<
EDIT: Right, I'm going to set aside an hour later this week to do the full run down on that vote for policies site. See where I should be standing on this.
Labour being in government had little to do with the crash. The entire worlds economy going down in flames was a far bigger problem.
FYI I wouldn't go down this road with someone who wears their economic illiteracy as a badge of pride.
I doubt it was just that. It was probably more to do with the combination of the SNP's rhetoric (we wont take any of the national debt etc) along with the Westminster elite marching up there acting like Scotland was a special case
It was really noticeable down here the amount of people who went from 'I hope the Scots vote No' to ' I am sick and tired of listening to their bitching that I hope they sod off'
Farage is just playing towards them people
Milibrand trailer: https://youtu.be/7FdbH4rN9b4
Ok.
Every political party will blame everyone else in the event of a problem. It's up to you (and your political bias) if you believe them or not.
Labour got caught with their pants down whilst slapping the salami on the despatch box.
Psychotext
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This is wrong, I know... but Milliband has a surprisingly flat face. Profile doesn't work for him.
CyclopsRock
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I got drunk with a pair of Scottish guys in Ye Olde Mitre when the guy I was with fell asleep when I went to the toilet. They bought me Scotch and we chatted about the SNP with the Scottish land lord. Then we left, tried to get some booze from the nearby Sussex Law Society ball, then tried to get out Boris bikes to visit the Occupy Stock Exchange guys but we were too drunk. Then we parted ways and I never saw them again.
My friends.
My friends.
God, I have not visited that pub in ages.
CyclopsRock
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This was back in, I dunno, Christmas 2011 I guess? But I still go there every now and then. Go for the Tardis-esque shape shifting, stay for the Scotch Eggs and drunk Scotsmen.
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killer_clank
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Interesting video pointing out similarities between the 1992 general election campaign and this one from the Tory perspective. Obviously won't necessarily go the same way this time, but it's interesting nonetheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVsmEtOH50o&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVsmEtOH50o&feature=youtu.be
What I will say about the Labour campaign, is that they've not ran from Miliband's weaknesses. He might be a bit too stage managed and stilted as a speaker but they've consistently put him out there in situations where you'd think he'd fail. If you'd told me 3 months ago that Labours big party political broadcast would be a 4:30 introduction to Ed Miliband I'd have laughed at you, while I'm not sure it works as ppb, it's a bit too twee and slick, it's actually a lot better than most.
The Brand interview is a slightly risky move but it'll eat up the headlines going into the debate and frankly due to the bank holiday that's really about it for the meat of the campaign.
The Brand interview is a slightly risky move but it'll eat up the headlines going into the debate and frankly due to the bank holiday that's really about it for the meat of the campaign.
Visualante2
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Thatcher's children.
killer_clank
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it's not often talked about but pretty much a quarter of the electorate have voted/voting now because of postal votes. can't see any real change at all in the last week of the campaign either.
Yeah maybe a little too slick but at least it's actually quite nice. It's not dark and gloomy and negative. Nice to see the bits about his father as well (fuck you daily mail) and him saying he'll stand up to Murdoch. Let's face the old bastard has thrown so much shit at him he may as well have a go.
I like the old bloke handing him the phone though. That's like something my dad would do.
"Yeah my sister is on the phone. She'll never believe it!"
That's a good point. Postal votes can really negate the last few days swing that can happen in polls or in electioneering.
CyclopsRock
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I wonder if they do, though. Generally isn't the last minute swing due to a sort of realisation of the reality of it (which is why it almost always benefits the incumbent - better the devil you know etc) which is still present in post votes, it just comes at the point you seal the envelope rather than when you walk into the wank-booth?
BossDarkseid
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Yeah...I do believe that level of education should be free as a principle but when the tuition fees tripled it didn't effect me so if I'm being honest, I wasn't that bothered. However as Uni has gotten closer I've thought about it but I've just become used to it. As much as I want tuition fees to be zero the last thing I want is the places that potentially provide those choices to close down.
I guess when I decide to vote for I'm really asking myself do I trust Labour to follow through with it or not. I'm also for the devolution of powers to Scotland, Wales etc but at the same time I don't want the UK to break up. Yet I'm also pissed off at how negative a lot of the campaigning has been, largely from the Conservatives but I don't feel as if Labour have been the picture of optimism either.
Oh well. Decisions must be made. The last thing I'd do it not vote at all.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Passionate Dave not working? It's time for the biggest outright lie they can muster
JonathanEx
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Passionate Dave not working? It's time for the biggest outright lie they can muster
The story on that page that strikes me as the most interesting read is about lipstick trends. That both speaks volumes for the election, and me.
I don't get The Sun trying to link Labour to the MRLP. They're the best party. Best hats.
Also if Ed comes across well in the interview, that'd be an incredible own goal after all the critical press it got.
Also again, Ballot Monkeys was good again!
Billy_Pilgrim
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I think that's why miliband mentioned him in his party political broadcast. Please god labour have the balls to have a confidence and supply with the SNP. Just to watch the mental old bastard have a full meltdown.
Please for the love of God yes. Just shut down some of his outlets too, or at least hold them to more account, the way TV broadcasting is overseen by Ofcom. News outlets should not be here to spread bullshit, xenophobia, hatred, divisive bile and all the rest. The fact that outlets like The Sun exist here is an embarrassment to our country. Murdock is a cretin and villain who's influence has dirtied the entire world, and made people more stupid, hateful and ignorant in the midst.
IdreamofHIME
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Why? Murdoch is buddies with Salmond and Scottish Sun supports SNP in the election. The SNP barking orders at Ed would probably amuse the old git.
Not a chance as Miliband has threaten to help break up the monopoly of papers he owns. Just look at the mental shits twitter to see how much he hates Miliband and Labour. Hell, just look at the papers front pages. These are the most poisonous, hate filled newspaper headlines in any election since 1992.
PJV3
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Did he have a Family guy style punch up with the chicken? He looks a little annoyed.
IdreamofHIME
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Are we looking at the same twitter? The one where he's always going on about how good it to see Scotland fighting the system and hurting Miliband?
Like every 2nd tweet is about how strong Scotland/SNP are.
I would have 20 years ago. Print media isn't what it used to be. I think The Sun sells about 2 million copies a day, when it used to sell about 12 million iirc.
But how many now access The Sun online?
Jezbollah
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But it's all relative isnt it? Internet media has overtaken print media. The Sun still sells 10x the amount than the Guardian and double that of the Mirror.
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/natio...s-trend-again-32-cent-print-circulation-boost
Looking forward to seeing this Brand/Ed interview. Quite how they frame this will be interesting - will they show it in a way that favours either of them?
I don't know to be honest. The mail is the most popular online, but that's mainly down to clickbait 'shock' articles.
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