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[Tripp Daily]

Two things. Why did you give your nephews a system but not all the games for that system you would no longer have?

The second is that you can't call proof of remasters selling and therefore people wanting BC. People might not have had the previous system, or if they did did not play those games being remastered.

My nephews are around the age of 6 and some of the games are not appropriate for them.

And sure I can, you just named two great reasons why BC makes sense this gen. "Didn't own a 360?" ....now you don't have to buy one to play the great games you may have missed. You can just buy a current gen system.

 

[TGO]

More on BC from Yoshida

At E3 this week, Microsoft announced that it’s bringing backwards Xbox 360 compatibility to Xbox One starting this fall with an initial slate of 100 titles. Sony does not have plans to follow suit, according to Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida.

“The announcement didn’t change,” Yoshida told Polygon, “I don’t think we will change our approach. The PlayStation 4 doesn’t have backward compatibility.”

Instead, Yoshida wants to focus on creating new features and services for PlayStation 4, including the recently released Media Player.

Even so, Yoshida wouldn’t rule out backwards compatibility entirely.

“Backwards compatibility is hard,” he said. “I won’t say we’ll never do it, but it’s not an easy thing to do. If it’s easy, we would have done that.”

http://gematsu.com/2015/06/sony-no-plans-ps4-backwards-compatibility

Pretty much what Ryan said with no intention to follow up with their own but Yoshida sounds more interested and intrigued in the announcement, perhaps they are monitoring what sort of impact it makes on MS's console first before completely ruling it out.
IE MS 360 BC needs to become a big deal for them to lift their fingers.

 

[Warchild]

They seriously shouldn't be wasting a single minute on this. Completely useless feature.

 

[Zeyphersan]

More on BC from Yoshida

http://gematsu.com/2015/06/sony-no-plans-ps4-backwards-compatibility

Pretty much what Ryan said with no intention to follow up with their own but Yoshida sounds more interested and intrigued in the announcement, perhaps they are monitoring what sort of impact it makes on MS's console first before completely ruling it out.
IE MS 360 BC needs to become a big deal for them to lift their fingers.

I've given up on PS3 BC for obvious reasons, but Sony set a precedent with PS1 and PS2 Classics on PSN, and it saddens me to see them abandon that model

They seriously shouldn't be wasting a single minute on this. Completely useless feature.

Sometimes the features you don't care about are the ones someone else loves. I won't use PS4's new DNLA stuff for a single second, doesn't mean I don't want it to exist

 

[Warchild]

Sometimes the features you don't care about are the ones someone else loves. I won't use PS4's new DNLA stuff for a single second, doesn't mean I don't want it to exist

I didn't buy the console for what everybody else wants. If there's 0 in it for me then I'd rather they skip it.

If people want to play their ps3/2/1 games so bad they can use the intended console.

 

[TGO]

They seriously shouldn't be wasting a single minute on this. Completely useless feature.

Just because you wouldn't use it doesn't mean its a useless feature, I don't suspend and resume, and I don't need the ability to stream files from my PC, those are completely useless features to me.
The ability to be able to play a library of 3 generations of classics is not useless to a GAMER
Unless you one of those casual gamers that play once and sell their games, are you one of those?

I didn't buy the console for what everybody else wants. If there's 0 in it for me then I'd rather they skip it.

If people want to play their ps3/2/1 games so bad they can use the intended console.

Same can be said about DLNA,if you want to watch your video files, then watch them on your computer.
I can even go as far and say it has no place on a games console and was a waste of resources.

 

[Warchild]

Unless you one of those casual gamers that play once and sell their games, are you one of those?

Yep. I generally play a game once and I put it away, probably never to return to it again. Dirty dirty casual.

 

[pswii60]

They seriously shouldn't be wasting a single minute on this. Completely useless feature.

Indeed completely useless.

Wat

 

[maniac-kun]

Just a PR bullshit reply.

 

[msdstc]

Throwaway all that work they made with PSNow?-not likely

well-not yet at least :/

Why do people keep saying this?! Psnow is available across numerous platforms vita, ps3, ps4, Sony TVs, etc. Psnow is a rental service NOT a backwards compatibility solution. Does the bone BC magically give access to titles you never owned? They're dramatically different things.

 

[FyreWulff]

Such a barely used feature that it gets keystone placement on the PS4 store UI and two separate conferences with it as a featurepoint.

PR gonna PR

 

[TGO]

Yep. I generally play a game once and I put it away, probably never to return to it again. Dirty dirty casual.

Blasphemy ;-)

 

[Warchild]

Blasphemy ;-)

Lol. Nah while it's not a feature I want, hopefully it comes to the console for the people that do.

 

[msdstc]

The stupidity surrounding psnow in this thread is hurting my brain... Seriously on so many levels it is embarrassingly stupid. People genuinely believe Sony invested all that r&d, money, time, bought gaiki, etc. All so they could include BC on the ps4? Then on top of that got this very same program up and running on multiple platforms, INCLUDING the ps3 so they could xzibit your console (we put a ps3 inside your ps3 so you can play ps3 from your ps3). Wooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww. Wow.........wow.

 

[FyreWulff]

why bother providing BC when you can make a buck remastering everything.

Why spend money redeveloping a game when you can sell your existing, already paid for release to a new audience?

It's why REmake and RE Zero aren't coming to the Wii U, because you can already buy it as a Wii disc.

 

[Str1ke4]

So if you already own a game on PS3, can you stream it on PS Now to PS4 for free?

Nope, you have to pay.

 

[obin_gam]

Have they scrapped the Gaikai-retro-games thingy?

I want to play FF9 on my ps4 :/

 

[Zeyphersan]

I didn't buy the console for what everybody else wants. If there's 0 in it for me then I'd rather they skip it.

If people want to play their ps3/2/1 games so bad they can use the intended console.

I guess this is the part where I say I'm glad you're not running a console division then?

It's why REmake and RE Zero aren't coming to the Wii U, because you can already buy it as a Wii disc.

Well, among other, more obvious reasons

 

[msdstc]

Nope, you have to pay.

So does the backwards compatibility update give access to hundreds of games that you don't own? Does it allow you to play those games across multiple platforms?

 

[TGO]

The stupidity surrounding psnow in this thread is hurting my brain... Seriously on so many levels it is embarrassingly stupid. People genuinely believe Sony invested all that r&d, money, time, bought gaiki, etc. All so they could include BC on the ps4? Then on top of that got this very same program up and running on multiple platforms, INCLUDING the ps3 so they could xzibit your console (we put a ps3 inside your ps3 so you can play ps3 from your ps3). Wooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww. Wow.........wow.

I'm not over keen on PS Now, but it serves its purpose, just needs the pricing sorted out
But BC for PSX/PS2 is what I want.
And that doesn't effect or involve PS Now.

 

[Dizzy]

Good lord if Xbox would of made a statement like this after Sony announced BC this place would of had a field day

Nicrosoft themselves said bc wasn't used that often and there wasn't much interest in it sometime after they stopped updating the 360 bc list.


Its a nice feature to have. Years back I woukd have loved this, but since I own most multiplats on PC now and a lot of exclusive titles have been remastered I'm personally not botheted about backwards compatability on either console.

 

[TGO]

Nicrosoft themselves said bc wasn't used that often and there wasn't much interest in it sometime after they stopped updating the 360 bc list.


Its a nice feature to have. Years back I woukd have loved this, but since I own most multiplats on PC now and a lot of exclusive titles have been remastered I'm personally not botheted about backwards compatability on either console.

So you use PC to play older games and buy remasters? So you understand why people would want it then?

 

[ArtHands]

Backwards Compatibility made WiiU's just fly off the shelves.

It's like saying lack of backward compatiblity killed the Vita.

 

[msdstc]

I'm not over keen on PS Now, but it serves its purpose, just needs the pricing sorted out
But BC for PSX/PS2 is what I want.
And that doesn't effect or involve PS Now.

OK, but that doesnt change this nonsense of hurrrdurrr psnow charges for BC.

Did anyone also stop to think about how difficult emulating the cell processor is? On top of that do you really believe people are paying 20 dollars a month to play the games they own on ps3... Which is also hilarious because psnow may not even have their ps3 games on there! This whole thing is hilarious to me. It really has set the bar.

 

[kevm3]

At least bring PS1 classics and PS2 classics onto the PS4.

 

[Ape]

it would be pretty cool to have some ps1 and 2 games at least on the ps4. idk if it will happen, but id like that. psnow would still be 100 percent viable to the bravias out there, so doing that wouldnt take away from all of their revenue.

So keep your 360?

its not that easy for some people

 

[TechnicPuppet]

So does the backwards compatibility update give access to hundreds of games that you don't own? Does it allow you to play those games across multiple platforms?

It gives you access to games you do own. Actual games, not bastardised streams of them.

 

[TGO]

OK, but that doesnt change this nonsense of hurrrdurrr psnow charges for BC.

Did anyone also stop to think about how difficult emulating the cell processor is? On top of that do you really believe people are paying 20 dollars a month to play the games they own on ps3... Which is also hilarious because psnow may not even have their ps3 games on there! This whole thing is hilarious to me. It really has set the bar.

Yeah the way PSNow works makes it not viable, but I'm willing to pay a small fee a year to have access to the whole PS3 library.
That has value, but like I said I just want a PSX/PS2 emulator like Eurogamer reported was in the works,Their has to be some truth to it.
And just being able to play the classic or buy classic off PSN like you can on PS3/PSP/PSVita.

 

[goonergaz]

I can see why people want it, but IMHO the idea of BC is to help the early adopters move to the new hardware, when there's less titles available and the games are all expensive - it means you can sell on your old console to help fund the new one.

This late in the day the old consoles are worth next to nothing and there's loads of cheap games available (and a large used market) and as it won't support Kinect games this will only be a deal for a minority (with this new announcment). It was a big surprise and probably worked well for MS but from a practical PoV I can't see it being massive, they needed it at launch.

WRT PSNow, I tried it and was impressed - but I'm not paying (again) to play old games I already bought - I'd rather have remasters.

 

[leeh]

Did anyone also stop to think about how difficult emulating the cell processor is? On top of that do you really believe people are paying 20 dollars a month to play the games they own on ps3... Which is also hilarious because psnow may not even have their ps3 games on there! This whole thing is hilarious to me. It really has set the bar.

Emulating 3 single threaded 3.2Ghz PowerPC cores on a lower powered 8 core x86 architecture is just as much wizardry.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I can see why people want it, but IMHO the idea of BC is to help the early adopters move to the new hardware, when there's less titles available and the games are all expensive - it means you can sell on your old console to help fund the new one.

This late in the day the old consoles are worth next to nothing and there's loads of cheap games available (and a large used market) and as it won't support Kinect games this will only be a deal for a minority.

It was a big surprise and probably worked well for MS but from a practical PoV I can't see it being massive, they needed it at launch.

Total nonsense. People want access to what they have bought whether its ios, Android, Steam, PS or Xbox.

Sony and MS where in a difficult position because of the architecture they used previous gen, MS has got round this and they should be applauded. End of story.

 

[msdstc]

It gives you access to games you do own. Actual games, not bastardised streams of them.

THEY ARE 2 DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THINGS!

psnow is not backwards compatibility! Psnow of anything is Sony working it's way towards cloud gaming, allowing people to part their games without needing the platform. It is still a very young technology but Sony clearly has a lot of interest in the field given their 2 billion investment into gaiki. They did not spend >2 billion dollars to have BC on their console.

Again on top of this even if Sony wanted to compete with msft and include BC via update they couldnt, the cell is simply too complex to be emulated. All of this should be so obvious to anybody, I don't know why I'm even explaining this.

 

[TGO]

Emulating 3 single threaded 3.2Ghz PowerPC cores on a lower powered 8 core x86 architecture is just as much wizardry.

It's not impossible, remember that in all the interviews no one has mentioned PSX/PS2 BC and have clearly talked about PS3, and while Sony has said it's not what they are doing, they haven't said its impossible, they said they can if they wanted but its hard.
Something people actually miss in those interviews, it can be done.

 

[Shrike_Priest]

My bullshit meter is off the charts on that. Not enough software engineers? pfft...

If a bunch of indie homebrew dudes can make PCSX and ePSXe happen, the bar cannot be that high.

As for the demand, yeah, it'll only serve the hardcore (which are, as always, a much smaller demographic than we think), but they want it and the want it bad. And all in all, there's still probably millions of them.

If lack of interest and priorities were the actual answer it'd be sorted easily:

Give third parties access to your PSX/PS2-libraries and let an independent dev create a PSX and PS2 emulator for PS4 which only runs original discs or downloads from the PSN-store. Basically Bleemcast 2.0. Set an RSVP of 30$ for it and see how many are willing to Kickstart. It'd be funded in hours. Add some stretch goals for a bunch of plugins/resolution scalers/game fixes and it'd be overfunded easily. People would be angry at Sony, but it'd fund NO problem.

Sony doesn't have to prioritise (much), and the fans get what they want.

Somebody get Gio Corsi on this shit.

#KickstartBC


Except… the reason isn't what they're saying. The reason is PSNow. So we're screwed. It's a shame.

 

[iBlue]

Sony how about you let me play my ps1 and ps2 classics that I bought?

 

[schlynch]

We are placing our bets on things like SharePlay, on things like Play as you Download, and things like Suspend/Resume.

For me as a PS4 owner that's a really really really [...] really really bad trade-off.

 

[goonergaz]

Total nonsense. People want access to what they have bought whether its ios, Android, Steam, PS or Xbox.

Sony and MS where in a difficult position because of the architecture they used previous gen, MS has got round this and they should be applauded. End of story.

Of course they want access - and they still do via their old console and I'm not saying they shouldn't be applauded - I'm just saying that it won't be a big deal this late after launch.

PS3 dropped BC whilst MS worked hord to add titles to X360 BC but that didn't make a difference, PS3 (WW) outsold X360 - so it wasn't as big a deal as some think.

And I think PSNow should be free (or next to free) from PS+ subbers

 

[msdstc]

Yeah the way PSNow works makes it not viable, but I'm willing to pay a small fee a year to have access to the whole PS3 library.
That has value, but like I said I just want a PSX/PS2 emulator like Eurogamer reported was in the works,Their has to be some truth to it.
And just being able to play the classic or buy classic off PSN like you can on PS3/PSP/PSVita.

A small fee for the whole library?! Lol you are dreaming. New releases are still 60 dollars. Did you know the genesis collection only includes a few titles and was once a full priced game? Point being you will never have access to a full library for a "small fee" without piracy. Sorry to dissappoint you.

Emulating 3 single threaded 3.2Ghz PowerPC cores on a lower powered 8 core x86 architecture is just as much wizardry.

I'm not going to pretend I know what in taking about, but according to most major developers including- 3rd party, first party, and Sony themselves, the cell was infinitely more complicated than your average processor.

There's a working emulator for 360. Now I'm not positive on this, but I don't believe there is a ps3 one.

 

[Septic360]

" and it is a much requested feature… but actually it’s not so greatly used."

Is Don Mattrick back?!

 

[Petrae]

Backwards compatibility might be the thing that pushes me to upgrade to an XBO, even with limited titles. Having a small library of games available once I upgrade is a nice selling point. Trading in my 360 towards an XBO would cut the cost down, too. Good on Microsoft for doing this and quite possibly winning me over as a consumer once again.

It's too bad that Sony isn't doing the same. I bought my fair share of PSone Classics last gen and it's inexplicable that they can't run on a PS4. I get the PS3/Cell issues, but the older platforms really don't have reasons not to be supported. I'm not angry about it, but it's definitely disappointing that backwards compatibility of any sort doesn't seem to be on Sony's radar. The company doesn't see any value in it, but I do.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

THEY ARE 2 DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THINGS!

psnow is not backwards compatibility! Psnow of anything is Sony working it's way towards cloud gaming, allowing people to part their games without needing the platform. It is still a very young technology but Sony clearly has a lot of interest in the field given their 2 billion investment into gaiki. They did not spend >2 billion dollars to have BC on their console.

Again on top of this even if Sony wanted to compete with msft and include BC via update they couldnt, the cell is simply too complex to be emulated. All of this should be so obvious to anybody, I don't know why I'm even explaining this.

I have no idea why you are explaining it to me.

 

[goonergaz]

" and it is a much requested feature… but actually it’s not so greatly used."

Is Don Mattrick back?!

I think it hits the nail, I always wanted BC but rarely ever used it. I recall getting excited about replaying SotC but never did, however I played it to death when it was remastered.

 

[MrRudiMentary]

That answer is kinda bullshit. Like he's ignoring the fact that Xbone owners and PS4 owners have both be clamouring for backwards compatibility. Not a great fan of Microsoft but they genuinely deserve kudos for doing this, and I think hardware-wise this puts the Xbone above the PS4. Software wise they're still behind though.

 

[TGO]

A small fee for the whole library?! Lol you are dreaming. New releases are still 60 dollars. Did you know the genesis collection only includes a few titles and was once a full priced game? Point being you will never have access to a full library for a "small fee" without piracy. Sorry to dissappoint you.

They want $44 for 3 month's unlimited access which is too much and will obviously be 50 quid here in the UK, if they can work out a yearly sub for reasonable price I'd bite
But the prices are too high, you can actually buy the games for their rental prices.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Of course they want access - and they still do via their old console and I'm not saying they shouldn't be applauded - I'm just saying that it won't be a big deal this late after launch.

PS3 dropped BC whilst MS worked hord to add titles to X360 BC but that didn't make a difference, PS3 (WW) outsold X360 - so it wasn't as big a deal as some think.

And I think PSNow should be free (or next to free) from PS+ subbers

But it is a big deal. Not only for now but the future of console gaming. This will now be expected going forward.

There are certain games I like to play every now and again and I love that I can have access to them on the one console.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I didn't buy the console for what everybody else wants. If there's 0 in it for me then I'd rather they skip it.

If people want to play their ps3/2/1 games so bad they can use the intended console.

And when that console breaks they can buy another to retain their purchases. Sounds great.

 

[msdstc]

I have no idea why you are explaining it to me.

I gave you wayyyyyy too much credit. I guess the absolute density of this thread is rubbing off. I better get out while I can.

 

[goonergaz]

The answer for PSnow is that games only come to it 1+ year after launch, that way the game has already sold the majority of what it will at the best price.

Sony need to give us back the PS1 & PS2 games for free and make PSnow cheap for PS3 games.

 

[Prine]

It's the opposite though. Show me the receipts it won't be like the OG Xbox emulation on 360. So far it looks the same with a limited list and similar promises.

The 360 OG Xbox emulation was going to have many added each month. That died off very quick and I was screwed by having sold my OG Xbox.

Until MS proves us wrong, we have the high ground here as existing burned customers.

Why do you ignore the facts? We've explained to you in multiple threads but your not replying. Its nothing like 360 BC, no shims are being used, the investment of time isnt nrealy the same nor will it require publishers to do anything but say yes.

 

[TGO]

I think it hits the nail, I always wanted BC but rarely ever used it. I recall getting excited about replaying SotC but never did, however I played it to death when it was remastered.

Probably because BC was shit on PS3 and it looked terrible, PS4 is powerful enough to make PS2/PSone look better then ever.