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[7Th]

That's why Nintendo is going to market the game outside of Japan. Same for DQ.

Will they, really? :lol

 

[Xeke]

Also people like to talk about 3rd party sales is because first party sales does not do much in improving support. Say so and so has great 1st party sales. You know whats the outcome? Nothing cause so and so is gonna get first party games no matter what since the company that owns the console need to make games for it whether it gets great sales or not. Unless they want to drop the system completely.

So Nintendo is getting more software sales total on their system by providing their own powerhouse support and Sony is getting fewer software sales on their system by relying on third parties.

I still fail to see why Nintendo gets ragged on for heavy first party support when that support is providing more sales than relying on third parties would.

I think its more ridiculous that a company can't support their own console with games that sell than a company who relies mostly on their games to push the console.

What is the highest selling first party game on the PS3 in Japan?

 

[Bel Marduk]

And how successful that will be is left to be seen, or exactly what level of commitment we will see from Nintendo.

True, but IMO, Nintendo has done really well when they really market games. Capcom is helping out too so I doubt marketing is gonna be anything short of big if they want a breakout hit. It's in their best interests to have more hits for sure.

Will they, really? :lol

Yeah.

 

[apujanata]

I am not sure Captain Rainbow would have sold well even given 1 year and a ton of advertising

I am Pretty sure Captain Rainbow wouldn't sold well. Too quirky (niche games).

 

[markatisu]

Will they, really? :lol

Supposedly Iwata has implied Nintendo is going to burden a lot when it comes to making DQ and MH successful in the West.

What that means is anyone's guess since we still do not have a firm release date on MH3 or DQIX (I think).

 

[cvxfreak]

Speaking of MH3 CC bundles, some stores have gotten them back in stock. I was surprised to see Yodobashi with a small number of the black bundles the other day.

I think MH3 has been benefitting from the holidays in a behind the scenes manner. It should be considerably closer to the 1 Million mark than we last saw.

 

[onken]

So Nintendo is getting more software sales total on their system by providing their own powerhouse support and Sony is getting fewer software sales on their system by relying on third parties.

I still fail to see why Nintendo gets ragged on for heavy first party support when that support is providing more sales than relying on third parties would.

I think its more ridiculous that a company can't support their own console with games that sell than a company who relies mostly on their games to push the console.

What is the highest selling first party game on the PS3 in Japan?

Who's "ragged" on Nintendo for giving too much first party support? Talk about over-defensive.

 

[Oxx]

We'll see regarding Nintendo, MH3, and the west.

It wouldn't be very Nintendo-like to invest heavily in something that they have so little control over.

 

[Spiegel]

Speaking of MH3 CC bundles, some stores have gotten them back in stock. I was surprised to see Yodobashi with a small number of the black bundles the other day.

I think MH3 has been benefitting from the holidays in a behind the scenes manner. It should be considerably closer to the 1 Million mark than we last saw.

Obviously, the game is dirt cheap now (2,980Y on amazon for example) and there are tons of new wii owners.

If the game wasn't selling "well" now, stores would never get rid of the remaining ~100k copies.

 

[jeremy1456]

Supposedly Iwata has implied Nintendo is going to burden a lot when it comes to making DQ and MH successful in the West.

What that means is anyone's guess since we still do not have a firm release date on MH3 or DQIX (I think).

Iwata specifically stated that NOA is going to use their knowledge of advertising they gained from Pokemon to market Monster Hunter 3. If that's the case then I have a feeling it might do well.

 

[Jokeropia]

All the people that didn't buy MH3 when there wasn't enough CC bundles left at launch probably got theirs already.

But possibly not at full price. A better allocation of bundles would probably not have lead to higher LTD sales in the end, but might have made for a quicker (and less dependent on discounts) route there.

 

[Nirolak]

MH3 has not reached it's initial shipments numbers and it's gonna be post 6 months of release while FFXIII nearly met it's shipment number in a single week?

No doubt MH3 had a fraction of the budget of FFXIII so I doubt capcom is feeling bad about how "poor" it sold. They sold a million copies to retailers, they should be happy.

FFXIII will also make a ton more to come with the western release which Monster Hunter franchise just can not depend on. And now with it being also on 360 in the west, the game is likely to do extremely well and I think easily outdo past FFXIII western releases since it's gone multiplat. MH sales outside of Japan are pretty dismal but I'm sure that Capcom made good money on the Japanese release alone already.

It's kinda hard to be comparing the two franchises since they are pretty darn different. Different goals, budgets, and global saturation.

I'm not so sure about this honestly for a number of reasons.

1.) FFXIII is launching into the least receptive Western console JRPG market since the SNES, possibly even the NES.

2.) FFXIII is launching a week after Battlefield: Bad Company 2, which has the potential to be the best selling game of Q1, and perhaps even the best selling game of the entire first half of 2010. While the PS3 is not as shooter crazy as the Xbox 360, it is also receiving God of War 3 during the month, and while it is not a monstrous seller, it is still a highly significant franchise, especially to the audience that followed Sony through to the PS3. While it is true that not everyone who wants FFXIII likes FPS and Action games, and that many people who do will buy multiple games in a month, I feel it would be far from true to suggest that many of the people who played FFVII and FFX haven't since transitioned to first person shooters and action games in the ensuing 8-12 years since those games released. While some of them may still buy FFXIII, there is likely to be a significant margin that will be perfectly fine playing a brand new fps and/or action game during the month, especially considering that the fps has a heavy focus on multiplayer.

3.) While FFXIII is multiplatform, the previous platforms it launched on were all market leaders, often by a significant margin. And in terms of determining the potential market, you cannot simply add together the number of PS3's and Xbox 360's, as now there is the potential for overlap a fair amount of gamers, especially among the more hardcore market that would be interested in FFXIII, own both consoles. As a whole, making the game multiplatform seems to do more to maintain their previous target audience size as opposed to actually growing it.

While I don't expect that game to be an outright bomb, I would be surprised if it reaches the numbers of previous Final Fantasy installments, much less go on to become the best selling Final Fantasy installment in the West.

 

[schuelma]

Speaking of MH3 CC bundles, some stores have gotten them back in stock. I was surprised to see Yodobashi with a small number of the black bundles the other day.
.

Interesting. Were they being sold at full price? Were they previously sold out in your experience? Capcom shipping even a small amount of CC Pro bundles while the standalone is in the sin bin would make me :lol

 

[ccbfan]

But possibly not at full price. A better allocation of bundles would probably not have lead to higher LTD sales in the end, but might have made for a quicker (and less dependent on discounts) route there.

Hey no one is saying the stores didn't make a mistake.

They're losing quite a bit of margin on MH3 which is probably why they called it one of the top 5 bombas of the year.

It doesn't hurt the LTD though like many damage controllers like to infer. Heck it probably helps it more than anything. I'm a lot more likely to buy a new game for 20 bucks than if it was 50. (Its the reason I own games like Geist and Baten Kaitos) If not for the over shipment MH3 probably would have never gotten past 1 mil.

 

[ccbfan]

Interesting. Were they being sold at full price? Were they previously sold out in your experience? Capcom shipping even a small amount of CC Pro bundles while the standalone is in the sin bin would make me :lol

Hey if customers are stupid enough to buy it then more power to them. I'm sure Nintendo would love to be able to sell the Wiimote/Wii motion + combo for 100 bucks :lol

 

[DMeisterJ]

I don't see Nintendo marketing MH3 in any kind of big way on the west, cause, what do they get from it? They make the franchise more popular in the west when it's not even exclusive to the platform? That makes no sense, especially with MHP3 coming... Eventually. Paying your hard earned money so another platform and game can benefit? Don't see that happenin'.

I think that a reality is that Capcom itself may try harder in the west, but I'm pretty certain that MH is a franchise (not unlike DQ) that will always sell the bulk of it's units in Japan... People have had 5 times to buy MH in America and none have been successful, I hardly think that marketing is at fault for this either. Games with no marketing have sold much better than MH (recent example being Demon's Souls)

 

[Brazil]

I'm not so sure about this honestly for a number of reasons.

1.) FFXIII is launching into the least receptive Western console JRPG market since the SNES, possibly even the NES.

2.) FFXIII is launching a week after Battlefield: Bad Company 2, which has the potential to be the best selling game of Q1, and perhaps even the best selling game of the entire first half of 2010. While the PS3 is not as shooter crazy as the Xbox 360, it is also receiving God of War 3 during the month, and while it is not a monstrous seller, it is still a highly significant franchise, especially to the audience that followed Sony through to the PS3. While it is true that not everyone who wants FFXIII likes FPS and Action games, and that many people who do will buy multiple games in a month, I feel it would be far from true to suggest that many of the people who played FFVII and FFX haven't since transitioned to first person shooters and action games in the ensuing 8-12 years since those games released. While some of them may still buy FFXIII, there is likely to be a significant margin that will be perfectly fine playing a brand new fps and/or action game during the month, especially considering that the fps has a heavy focus on multiplayer.

3.) While FFXIII is multiplatform, the previous platforms it launched on were all market leaders, often by a significant margin. And in terms of determining the potential market, you cannot simply add together the number of PS3's and Xbox 360's, as now there is the potential for overlap a fair amount of gamers, especially among the more hardcore market that would be interested in FFXIII, own both consoles. As a whole, making the game multiplatform seems to do more to maintain their previous target audience size as opposed to actually growing it.

While I don't expect that game to be an outright bomb, I would be surprised if it reaches the numbers of previous Final Fantasy installments, much less go on to become the best selling Final Fantasy installment in the West.

I agree with you in all points.

 

[schuelma]

It doesn't hurt the LTD though like many damage controllers like to infer. Heck it probably helps it more than anything. I'm a lot more likely to buy a new game for 20 bucks than if it was 50. (Its the reason I own games like Geist and Baten Kaitos) If not for the over shipment MH3 probably would have never gotten past 1 mil.

This is hopefully my last statement on good old Monster Hunter Tri.

I think you can reasonably say the following:

- Capcom overshipped, especially the standalone


-If it hadn't been overshipped, it probably wouldn't have reached a million because a shipment of 900-925K would have been sufficient.

- Even if it hadn't been overshipped it would have sputtered to at least 900K or so and would have still been the best selling 3rd party Wii game, the 2nd best console 3rd party game of the generation, and a significant upturn from the PS2 versions. This is where I feel some people go overboard. The game was still going to be a success for Capcom whether they shipped 1.1m or 900K.


Is that fair?

 

[Grampa Simpson]

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[markatisu]

I don't see Nintendo marketing MH3 in any kind of big way on the west, cause, what do they get from it? They make the franchise more popular in the west when it's not even exclusive to the platform? That makes no sense, especially with MHP3 coming... Eventually. Paying your hard earned money so another platform and game can benefit? Don't see that happenin'.

I think that a reality is that Capcom itself may try harder in the west, but I'm pretty certain that MH is a franchise (not unlike DQ) that will always sell the bulk of it's units in Japan... People have had 5 times to buy MH in America and none have been successful, I hardly think that marketing is at fault for this either. Games with no marketing have sold much better than MH (recent example being Demon's Souls)

You have to ask? if Nintendo is able to put some muscle behind it and its a hit in the US or EU in addition to being a moderate hit in Japan where do you think the platform will stay?

Plus Iwata has already talked about it, why would he even bring the subject up if they did not have an intention to back it in some way.

But I agree, MH suffers from the fact that the other regions are not as obsessed with portable gaming as Japan is. Yes it sells a lot of DS's but the US and EU are still console nations for the most part.

The most important factor imho for US/EU adoption is free online, the portable versions of MH sell shitty anyway in comparison but paid online will kill it before it has a chance to get off the ground.

 

[charlequin]

2.) FFXIII is launching a week after Battlefield: Bad Company 2, which has the potential to be the best selling game of Q1, and perhaps even the best selling game of the entire first half of 2010. While the PS3 is not as shooter crazy as the Xbox 360, it is also receiving God of War 3 during the month, and while it is not a monstrous seller, it is still a highly significant franchise, especially to the audience that followed Sony through to the PS3.

The idea that either of these games can even conceivably pull sales away from Final Fantasy 13 is nuts. Games that different just don't have a gravitational pull on each other. (And if they did, you'd see people skipping GoW3 for FF, not the other way 'round.)

I would be surprised if it reaches the numbers of previous Final Fantasy installments

I think there is very, very little chance that FFXIII will show more of a percentage decline in the US than it did in Japan (i.e. 15%) and I think there's a good chance it'll edge out FFXII over time.

 

[schuelma]

I don't see Nintendo marketing MH3 in any kind of big way on the west, cause, what do they get from it? They make the franchise more popular in the west when it's not even exclusive to the platform? That makes no sense, especially with MHP3 coming... Eventually. Paying your hard earned money so another platform and game can benefit? Don't see that happenin'.

I imagine that was part of the deal with Capcom in the first place- Nintendo leveraging its worldwide success and marketing power to help make the series bigger outside Japan.

 

[Nirolak]

The idea that either of these games can even conceivably pull sales away from Final Fantasy 13 is nuts. Games that different just don't have a gravitational pull on each other. (And if they did, you'd see people skipping GoW3 for FF, not the other way 'round.)

Do you think it's honestly impossible for an fps or action game to pull sales away from a JRPG?

I mean, all the people that were buying FFVII during the PS1 generation had to go somewhere, and I doubt they all quit gaming or went to exclusively playing on handhelds.

 

[cvxfreak]

Interesting. Were they being sold at full price? Were they previously sold out in your experience? Capcom shipping even a small amount of CC Pro bundles while the standalone is in the sin bin would make me :lol

I doubt they were sold at near MSRP, but probably at a considerable discount; I didn't check, but it's not like it would mean much at this point. The game's pretty cheap.

I was surprised to see them the other day because I hadn't seen them since like early October. No idea if it's a new shipment or not, but it could be.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Back in 1998
PC>>>N64>PS1

Agreed. Quake 1&2 baby.

 

[DMeisterJ]

You have to ask? if Nintendo is able to put some muscle behind it and its a hit in the US or EU in addition to being a moderate hit in Japan where do you think the platform will stay?

Plus Iwata has already talked about it, why would he even bring the subject up if they did not have an intention to back it in some way.

But I agree, MH suffers from the fact that the other regions are not as obsessed with portable gaming as Japan is. Yes it sells a lot of DS's but the US and EU are still console nations for the most part.

The most important factor imho for US/EU adoption is free online, the portable versions of MH sell shitty anyway in comparison but paid online will kill it before it has a chance to get off the ground.

I don't see the platform staying anywhere, unless it does find some success outside of Japan. MH3 was good for the Wii, and there will definitely be a sequel or something given it's almost crossed a million, but it's infinitely less successful than the PSP versions, and I'm pretty sure Capcom won't abandon that fanbase.

Even if it is successful in the west will it sell 3.5 million like the PSP version? No... That and the lower budget for making a PSP game will always make it a viable option for the game. I do think the Wii version will get a sequel, or rather, I do believe that there will be a console and a handheld version of MH.

 

[Xeke]

Who's "ragged" on Nintendo for giving too much first party support? Talk about over-defensive.

Ragged may not have been the right word. But people, for the past few years have definitely complained of Nintendo not giving third parties space and crowding releases and if you're willing to deny than you're being revisionist.

 

[Bel Marduk]

I don't see Nintendo marketing MH3 in any kind of big way on the west, cause, what do they get from it? They make the franchise more popular in the west when it's not even exclusive to the platform? That makes no sense, especially with MHP3 coming... Eventually. Paying your hard earned money so another platform and game can benefit? Don't see that happenin'.

I think that a reality is that Capcom itself may try harder in the west, but I'm pretty certain that MH is a franchise (not unlike DQ) that will always sell the bulk of it's units in Japan... People have had 5 times to buy MH in America and none have been successful, I hardly think that marketing is at fault for this either. Games with no marketing have sold much better than MH (recent example being Demon's Souls)

Double edged sword here. While the handheld MHs are more popular in Japan, the console ones can definitely be more popular in the West. The PSP MHs made the series more popular in Japan and that's allowed MH3 to be able to cross the 1 mil+ mark. In the West, large success of MH3 can spur the handheld sales too. However, in Japan the main fanbase is still on PSP and they can't ignore that. Similarly if MH3 ends up a big hit then they can't ignore that either and MH in the West becomes much more prominent.

Also, in the gens to come, having more series as hits in the West can do nothing but help. Just look at FF since FF VII. If Nintendo can pull off to MH and DQ what Sony did to FF they're gonna have some good series on their hands. Also Capcom might even continue MHs on Nintendo's next handheld granted the system is powerful enough (PS2 levels or higher).

 

[sphinx]

(Its the reason I own games like Geist and Baten Kaitos)

how DARE you!!! Geist and Baten kaitos in the same sentence.. and treated like bargain bin stinkware!!

and to think we get neither the sugggested DS game nor a 3rd console interation because of this!!

somebody give me a sleeping pill.

 

[d+pad]

I am not sure Captain Rainbow would have sold well even given 1 year and a ton of advertising

Yes, you're right. I wasn't really trying to imply that, but I can see how it could come across that way.

That said, it would be interesting to be able to see if more advertising/marketing could have helped Another Code R, Endless Ocean 2, Sin & Punishment 2, Tact of Magic, etc. Although all are niche titles, I think some of them certainly could/would have sold better if Nintendo had gotten the word out more. Whether that $$$ would be worth it to them in the long run, though, is a different matter.

 

[markatisu]

I don't see the platform staying anywhere, unless it does find some success outside of Japan. MH3 was good for the Wii, and there will definitely be a sequel or something given it's almost crossed a million, but it's infinitely less successful than the PSP versions, and I'm pretty sure Capcom won't abandon that fanbase.

Even if it is successful in the west will it sell 3.5 million like the PSP version? No... That and the lower budget for making a PSP game will always make it a viable option for the game. I do think the Wii version will get a sequel, or rather, I do believe that there will be a console and a handheld version of MH.

Why are you always about black and white either/or scenarios? Who said it had to leave the PSP? You asked why would Nintendo want to waste money when MH does not sell outside JP, I was implying that Nintendo might be willing to spend some money to make it successful worldwide to keep it on their platform for "consoles" in Japan. They already have the advantage of keeping it there so its cheap to port to the PSP where the bulk of the franchise sales are. But if you can gain some favor with Capcom why brush it off?

It will not leave the PSP because its too successful in Japan, enough so to make up for bad sales outside the region. I apologize if you misunderstood what I was saying

 

[Bel Marduk]

how DARE you!!! Geist and Baten kaitos in the same sentence.. and treated like bargain bin stinkware!!

and to think we get neither the sugggested DS game nor a 3rd console interation because of this!!

somebody give me a sleeping pill.

Monolith said they were ready to make a new BK last year granted Nintendo gave them the go ahead. NINTENDO DON'T LET US DOWN! D:

 

[charlequin]

Do you think it's honestly impossible for an fps or action game to pull sales away from a JRPG?

I honestly think it is impossible that AA+ games of almost entirely distinct genres would have a substitutiary effect that reduced the sales of one, yes. You'd basically be looking at a situation where a significant portion of gamers couldn't afford to buy both at full price within a week window but would in, say, a month window, which strikes me as a fairly fiddly margin to be working within.

In general when we get substitutiary effects like this, it's because one of the games is significantly less desirable and interesting than the other but serves the same need. If what someone wants is to be playing a new RPG it only makes sense to buy the "best" RPG available and whether it's Graces vs. FFXIII now or Abyss vs. FFXII in 2006 in the US, Tales is not going to win that battle. :lol When you're looking at a product that's similarly "large" and "unique," and which doesn't substitute for the other at all, you're simply not going to see the same kind of decision-making. And especially in the US, where a game has around 2-3 months to sell new copies at full price instead of 2-3 weeks, someone who's drawn to both (say) BFBC2 and FFXIII will probably just buy both over a small span of time.

This is kind of like the thing where there doesn't seem to be any substitutiary effect between the PS3 and Wii. People simply aren't statistically often in a situation where they know they want a console and then come down to making a PS3 vs. Wii choice; instead they're generally making each choice as a distinct yes/no decision (and so a week where lots of extra people buy PS3s doesn't do anything to depress Wii sales or vice versa.)

I mean, all the people that were buying FFVII during the PS1 generation had to go somewhere, and I doubt they all quit gaming or went to exclusively playing on handhelds.

The market of frequent-purchase gamers today probably overlaps like 25% or something with the market from 1997. This pretty much has to be true, because if there were higher retention we'd see sales climbing over time as new generations join while older purchasers were retained.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Why are you always about black and white either/or scenarios? Who said it had to leave the PSP? You asked why would Nintendo want to waste money when MH does not sell outside JP, I was implying that Nintendo might be willing to spend some money to make it successful worldwide to keep it on their platform for "consoles" in Japan. They already have the advantage of keeping it there so its cheap to port to the PSP where the bulk of the franchise sales are. But if you can gain some favor with Capcom why brush it off?

It will not leave the PSP because its too successful in Japan, enough so to make up for bad sales outside the region. I apologize if you misunderstood what I was saying

I said that I think that it will continue on both consoles given the success of both games, I was merely judging the success it has had on both consoles. Sorry for any confusion D:

The more MH fans the better is the way I see it =)

 

[Nirolak]

I honestly think it is impossible that AA+ games of almost entirely distinct genres would have a substitutiary effect that reduced the sales of one, yes. You'd basically be looking at a situation where a significant portion of gamers couldn't afford to buy both at full price within a week window but would in, say, a month window, which strikes me as a fairly fiddly margin to be working within.

In general when we get substitutiary effects like this, it's because one of the games is significantly less desirable and interesting than the other but serves the same need. If what someone wants is to be playing a new RPG it only makes sense to buy the "best" RPG available and whether it's Graces vs. FFXIII now or Abyss vs. FFXII in 2006 in the US, Tales is not going to win that battle. :lol When you're looking at a product that's similarly "large" and "unique," and which doesn't substitute for the other at all, you're simply not going to see the same kind of decision-making. And especially in the US, where a game has around 2-3 months to sell new copies at full price instead of 2-3 weeks, someone who's drawn to both (say) BFBC2 and FFXIII will probably just buy both over a small span of time.

This is kind of like the thing where there doesn't seem to be any substitutiary effect between the PS3 and Wii. People simply aren't statistically often in a situation where they know they want a console and then come down to making a PS3 vs. Wii choice; instead they're generally making each choice as a distinct yes/no decision (and so a week where lots of extra people buy PS3s doesn't do anything to depress Wii sales or vice versa.)



The market of frequent-purchase gamers today probably overlaps like 25% or something with the market from 1997. This pretty much has to be true, because if there were higher retention we'd see sales climbing over time as new generations join while older purchasers were retained.

Okay, fair enough. However, due to the other two points, I still think it will have a lot of trouble outselling previous Final Fantasy iterations. I can see your argument that it might ultimately edge out FFXII, especially since that launched so late in the generation, but I still wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.

 

[Me_Marcadet]

Ragged may not have been the right word. But people, for the past few years have definitely complained of Nintendo not giving third parties space and crowding releases and if you're willing to deny than you're being revisionist.

But did they ever said that it was bad for nintendo ? I don't think so.

If you look at the whole market, it's obvious why some will complain when the most selling console is mostly selling games from only one publisher who's coincidently building and marketing that same console.

People just want a home console where both first party and third parties are selling great, like the DS.

 

[Dalthien]

Also Capcom might even continue MHs on Nintendo's next handheld granted the system is powerful enough (PS2 levels or higher).

Crazy-ass theory time here, but this is about the only realistic scenario I can imagine where Nintendo would make a serious and determined marketing push for MH3 in the west.

If Nintendo has plans for a DS2 launch sometime in the next 12-18 months, and the DS2 will be of a PSP-level chipset or higher, then I could see the possibility of Nintendo working hard to promote MH3 in the west for the Wii, with an agreement with Capcom that MH3P would be the launch title for the DS2 in Japan.

It would actually be a win-win for both companies. Capcom would get some serious marketing clout behind trying to build MH into a real brand in the west. Plus, Capcom would get to build a real audience for its titles right out of the gate on the DS2. Something that they never achieved with the DS. The DS is far and away the most popular system ever in Japan, and outside of Pheonix Wright, Capcom never managed to find its place on the system, and they have underperformed on the DS this entire generation.

On the flipside, Nintendo would steal the most powerful handheld property from its competitor, and the DS2 would fly out of the gates with millions of systems sold right off the bat.

I'm not saying that this is a likely scenario. Would Capcom be willing to wait 12-18 months to release MH3P? Does Nintendo have any plans to release the DS2 within that time frame? Would the DS2 even be powerful enough to support MH3P?

But it is about the only scenario wherein I could see Nintendo be willing to make a real dedicated and determined marketing push for MH3. After the Capcom 5 debacle where they had to watch Capcom announce RE4 for the PS2 before the Cube version was even released, I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to watch the same scenario unfold where they start ramping up marketing efforts for MH3, only to watch Capcom announce MH3P for the PSP shortly before MH3 hits the west.

Not that I would expect something that ridiculous to happen again, but really, I don't see much upside for Nintendo using their clout to help promote a game which will undoubtedly sell more on their competitor's system. Realistically, I would expect a half-ass, fairly useless marketing effort from Nintendo. Although Capcom may be willing to make a full-fledged effort themselves. Who knows.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Uh... if anything people in the M-C have been giving Nintendo crap for not giving enough first party support to the Wii.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Crazy-ass theory time here, but this is about the only realistic scenario I can imagine where Nintendo would make a serious and determined marketing push for MH3 in the west.

If Nintendo has plans for a DS2 launch sometime in the next 12-18 months, and the DS2 will be of a PSP-level chipset or higher, then I could see the possibility of Nintendo working hard to promote MH3 in the west for the Wii, with an agreement with Capcom that MH3P would be the launch title for the DS2 in Japan.

It would actually be a win-win for both companies. Capcom would get some serious marketing clout behind trying to build MH into a real brand in the west. Plus, Capcom would get to build a real audience for its titles right out of the gate on the DS2. Something that they never achieved with the DS. The DS is far and away the most popular system ever in Japan, and outside of Pheonix Wright, Capcom never managed to find its place on the system, and they have underperformed on the DS this entire generation.

On the flipside, Nintendo would steal the most powerful handheld property from its competitor, and the DS2 would fly out of the gates with millions of systems sold right off the bat.

I'm not saying that this is a likely scenario. Would Capcom be willing to wait 12-18 months to release MH3P? Does Nintendo have any plans to release the DS2 within that time frame? Would the DS2 even be powerful enough to support MH3P?

But it is about the only scenario wherein I could see Nintendo be willing to make a real dedicated and determined marketing push for MH3. After the Capcom 5 debacle where they had to watch Capcom announce RE4 for the PS2 before the Cube version was even released, I can't imagine Nintendo wanting to watch the same scenario unfold where they start ramping up marketing efforts for MH3, only to watch Capcom announce MH3P for the PSP shortly before MH3 hits the west.

Not that I would expect something that ridiculous to happen again, but really, I don't see much upside for Nintendo using their clout to help promote a game which will undoubtedly sell more on their competitor's system. Realistically, I would expect a half-ass, fairly useless marketing effort from Nintendo. Although Capcom may be willing to make a full-fledged effort themselves. Who knows.

Hasn't Capcom already announced MHP3 (in a roundabout way) for PSP though?

 

[Stumpokapow]

Hasn't Capcom already announced MHP3 (in a roundabout way) for PSP though?

Unless that roundabout way is "all games in the industry get sequels over and over and over again until they are no longer profitable", then no.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Hasn't Capcom already announced MHP3 (in a roundabout way) for PSP though?

Well, they announced Monster Hunter 3 (in a not roundabout way) for PS3 at one point, too. Things could change.

 

[Dalthien]

Hasn't Capcom already announced MHP3 (in a roundabout way) for PSP though?

Like I said, I'm not actually expecting the "crazy-ass theory" to happen. But I just don't see Nintendo spending big time and money to promote MH3 in the west in any other scenario.

But as for the PSP roundabout sort-of announcement - that would be extremely easy to ditch and sweep under the rug if a better deal came around for Capcom.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Unless that roundabout way is "all games in the industry get sequels over and over and over again until they are no longer profitable", then no.

No, I mean I remember them saying that they're not done with MH on the PSP, and this MH game coming out in JP soon has interoperability with a future MH game on PSP...

 

[Dragona Akehi]

No, I mean I remember them saying that they're not done with MH on the PSP, and this MH game coming out in JP soon has interoperability with a future MH game on PSP...

At least be upfront about this crap.

 

[DMeisterJ]

At least be upfront about this crap.

...?

 

[sphinx]

Monolith said they were ready to make a new BK last year granted Nintendo gave them the go ahead. NINTENDO DON'T LET US DOWN! D:

Nintendo is too fucking busy making a sequel to Wii music or a Wii fit mega-non-plus-ultra, Fuck them.

Baten Kaitos is the biggest loss for me from all last gen series than won't make it into this gen.. or any other for that matter >_<..

 

[Bel Marduk]

Nintendo is too fucking busy making a sequel to Wii music or a Wii fit mega-non-plus-ultra, Fuck them.

Baten Kaitos is the biggest loss for me from all last gen series than won't make it into this gen.. or any other for that matter >_<..

You never know with their "don't announce games until closer to release" policy. Monolith said that last year and they haven't begun at that time which gives them <1 year dev time if Nintendo actually gave them the green light. Next year announcement, hopefully.. D: It'd be my #1 most wanted game besides Tales of Graces.

 

[AniHawk]

Nintendo is too fucking busy making a sequel to Wii music or a Wii fit mega-non-plus-ultra, Fuck them.

Baten Kaitos is the biggest loss for me from all last gen series than won't make it into this gen.. or any other for that matter >_<..

Nintendo greenlit the sequels to Hotel Dusk, Another Code, Golden Sun, and Sin & Punishment. I wouldn't have guessed any of them would ever see another entry (although GS was the most obvious choice).

 

[thestopsign]

You never know with their "don't announce games until closer to release" policy. Monolith said that last year and they haven't begun at that time which gives them <1 year dev time if Nintendo actually gave them the green light. Next year announcement, hopefully.. D: It'd be my #1 most wanted game besides Tales of Graces.

The Baten Kaitos team at Monolith is most likely working on Monado currently.

 

[VerTiGo]

The Baten Kaitos team at Monolith is most likely working on Monado currently.

Hopefully Monado won't go the way of Takt of Magic and not being released over here. Messed up part is that Takt of Magic got great critical reception too. I don't mind not having another Baiten Katos. A new epic original from Monolith sounds like great stuff.