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[KuwabaraTheMan]

if yakuza 3 could do over 370k, i think MH3 on PS3 could have done numbers in the same ballpark. while it certainly isn't a bomb, i think a PS360 release would have been a better choice for all sorts of reasons. the PSP games are a mega-hit in japan, and having some sort of PSP<>PS3 interaction could have helped bring MH success to home consoles.

Quick! List all the PS3 games that sold better LTD than MH3 has in its first 9 days.

There's no way that would have been a better choice for Capcom.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Yakuza 3 and MGS4 both failed to sell as much as the previous installment of their respective series on the PS2. Meanwhile MH3 has surpassed the previous installment of the series on the PS2. Let's talk about that instead.

But I want to hear good things about a title being on the PS3/360 duo so I can play it.

 

[MotherFan]

Quick! List all the PS3 games that sold better LTD than MH3 has in its first 9 days.

There's no way that would have been a better choice for Capcom.

Secret PS3 title

 

[dfyb]

Yakuza 3 and MGS4 both failed to sell as much as the previous installment of their respective series on the PS2. Meanwhile MH3 has surpassed the previous installment of the series on the PS2. Let's talk about that instead.

Quick! List all the PS3 games that sold better LTD than MH3 has in its first 9 days.

There's no way that would have been a better choice for Capcom.

you guys kidding? third party core games sell much better on PS360. i'm not just talking about japan.

 

[PantherLotus]

Just a quick note:

1. donny--awesome job keeping this and the other MC threads in shape and on time.
2. jjslone--you keep up wit yo bad self fool.
3. Other contributors -- always looking for additional writers for ChartGet. If you're interested feel free to PM.
4. Have I been missed at all? My ego was a little bruised today at work and I need some positive feedback.

 

[duckroll]

you guys kidding? third party core games sell much better on PS360. i'm not just talking about japan.

You're not just talking about Japan in a Media Create thread? Maybe you should leave now...

 

[MotherFan]

you guys kidding? third party core games sell much better on PS360. i'm not just talking about japan.

Your kidding right? This is MH we are talking about.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

you guys kidding? third party core games sell much better on PS360.

In Japan? Yes, of course.

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Just a quick note:

1. donny--awesome job keeping this and the other MC threads in shape and on time.
2. jjslone--you keep up wit yo bad self fool.
3. Other contributors -- always looking for additional writers for ChartGet. If you're interested feel free to PM.
4. Have I been missed at all? My ego was a little bruised today at work and I need some positive feedback.

You were gone?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

you guys kidding? third party core games sell much better on PS360. i'm not just talking about japan.

Not only is this a thread about Japanese sales, but Monster Hunter is a franchise that does the vast majority of its sales in Japan. Capcom would be much better served sticking with Nintendo in this regard.

 

[duckroll]

Not only is this a thread about Japanese sales, but Monster Hunter is a franchise that does the vast majority of its sales in Japan. Capcom would be much better served sticking with Nintendo in this regard.

You forgot to remind him that Yakuza is also a JP-only franchise, so since he mentioned that first..... why WOULDN'T he be talking about Japan only? :lol

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

You forgot to remind him that Yakuza is also a JP-only franchise, so since he mentioned that first..... why WOULDN'T he be talking about Japan only? :lol

Hey, those 25,000 US sales of Yakuza 2 (or whatever it was) were critical to Yakuza 3 being made.:lol

 

[dfyb]

judging by the MHFU commercials showing all over, capcom's looking to push MH as a worldwide franchise (unlike sega with yakuza).

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

judging by the MHFU commercials showing all over, capcom's looking to push MH as a worldwide franchise (unlike sega with yakuza).

Stop. I mean really please just stop.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

judging by the MHFU commercials showing all over, capcom's looking to push MH as a worldwide franchise (unlike sega with yakuza).

Yes, we know this. It doesn't make your point valid.

 

[AranhaHunter]

if yakuza 3 could do over 370k, i think MH3 on PS3 could have done numbers in the same ballpark. while it certainly isn't a bomb, i think a PS360 release would have been a better choice for all sorts of reasons. the PSP games are a mega-hit in japan, and having some sort of PSP<>PS3 interaction could have helped bring MH success to home consoles.

I agree, I think if MH3 stayed a PS3 exclusive, it would've done similar numbers to what it has done on the Wii, but the dev cost for the PS3 would probably be greater than the dev cost for the Wii.

Either way the game should've been on the PSP from the get go

 

[Hero]

MH3 will hit a million in Japan.

 

[duckroll]

MH3 will hit a million in Japan.

Enterbrain or MC?

 

[Galactic Fork]

I agree, I think if MH3 stayed a PS3 exclusive, it would've done similar numbers to what it has done on the Wii, but the dev cost for the PS3 would probably be greater than the dev cost for the Wii.

Either way the game should've been on the PSP from the get go

I don't think so. It's following the same strategy of earlier Monster Hunters. Console version with a later PSP version. I think the Wii is the logical next step for the console version. Especially since the PSP is going to be a graphically stripped port of the console version like the others. With the PS3, they'd have had to make 2 completely different versions.

 

[Sipowicz]

judging by the MHFU commercials showing all over, capcom's looking to push MH as a worldwide franchise (unlike sega with yakuza).

wth are you talking about?

sega tried to make yakuza a worldwide franchise and it failed on the 100 million selling ps2. they are not insane enough to take a second shot on the 20 million selling ps3

especially when games cost so much mroe to make and localise

 

[Jonnyram]

MH3 will hit a million in Japan.

 

[obonicus]

Yakuza 3 and MGS4 both failed to sell as much as the previous installment of their respective series on the PS2. Meanwhile MH3 has surpassed the previous installment of the series on the PS2. Let's talk about that instead.

Why talk about that at all? It's trying to guess a pattern based on outliers. What does MH3's success mean? What does it mean to MH as a franchise? What does it mean to publishers in terms of pushing their not-MH franchises on the Wii vs. other platforms? I know I'm stumped. What we know is that huge franchises when marketed well can sell on the Wii. Which is so ho-hum as to nearly be a truism. Even the 'MH sold more than previous console installment' remark is impossible to interpret. Is it only natural (given the series' current popularity) or a nice surprise (given previous performance on consoles)?

 

[lowlylowlycook]

Just a quick note:

1. donny--awesome job keeping this and the other MC threads in shape and on time.
2. jjslone--you keep up wit yo bad self fool.
3. Other contributors -- always looking for additional writers for ChartGet. If you're interested feel free to PM.
4. Have I been missed at all? My ego was a little bruised today at work and I need some positive feedback.

You know the deal. First you make the graphs, then you get the attention you crave.

 

[markatisu]

Especially since the PSP is going to be a graphically stripped port of the console version like the others. With the PS3, they'd have had to make 2 completely different versions.

Bingo! But dfyb would much rather play it on the PS3 or the 360 and watch Capcom bleed money maintaining two completely different engines.

The PSP version will always be superceeded by the closest compatible system for this game (it was not made for a DS type system) and so its only logical consoles were the PS2 and the Wii.

Maybe by the time MH5 or MH6 comes along and HD development is cheap the other systems can get one giant multiplatform release. But as long as the PSP and the Wii are so close in porting ability it will not be financially sound to have it any other way.

 

[schuelma]

What we know is that huge franchises when marketed well can sell on the Wii. Which is so ho-hum as to nearly be a truism.

Well considering that this is the first legitimate attempt to do, I'd say it is still noteworthy.

 

[markatisu]

Well considering that this is the first legitimate attempt to do, I'd say it is still noteworthy.

first legit attempt and it breaks every 3rd party Wii record in under 10 days, yeah that is very noteworthy

Imagine if more people tried

 

[donny2112]

if yakuza 3 could do over 370k, i think MH3 on PS3 could have done numbers in the same ballpark.

I think PS3 MH3 could've done numbers in the same ballpark as Yakuza 3, too. Good to know we agree.

 

[gtj1092]

New releases that made the Media Create Top 50 in 2009 (all publishers):

NDS - 75
PSP - 64
PS3 - 37
PS2 - 32
WII - 28
360 - 27


Edit:
And just because I was curious.

New releases that made the Media Create Top 50 in 2009 (third-parties only):

NDS - 68
PSP - 58
PS3 - 33
PS2 - 32
360 - 24
WII - 19

So how many of those new releases were mainline games. I mean that makes all the difference in sales right? Also clearly the DS and PsP are the two main systems in Japan. Are you trying to say that Ps2 is incapable of selling software, that the userbase isn't active? If so then why do games released on both the Wii and Ps2 greatly favor the Ps2. I'm trying to understand your post and its implications. I don't maintain a database but from reading these threads whenever a semi big game has released for the console it has sold well. Do you not think MH3 would of sold well on Ps2?

 

[Allan Holdsworth]

First Week:
Freshly Picked Tingle’s Rosy Rupeeland 45,988
Irodzuki Tincle no Koi no Balloon Trip 33,000

No promotion for Tingle 2?

 

[donny2112]

So how many of those new releases were mainline games.

That point sort of goes both ways.

I mean that makes all the difference in sales right?

It usually doesn't hurt.

Also clearly the DS and PsP are the two main systems in Japan. Are you trying to say that Ps2 is incapable of selling software, that the userbase isn't active?

That's ridiculous. The few bigger PS2 games that actually get made, though usually less than previous installments, are still being bought.

If so then why do games released on both the Wii and Ps2 greatly favor the Ps2.

Other than the historically cultivated audiences on each, I'm really not sure why. Maybe a lot of people don't want to "upgrade" consoles at all in Japan, so they're just sticking to what they already have - PS2.

I'm trying to understand your post and its implications.

You said the PS2 just needed releases to get its software sales back up. I pointed out that PS2 has had about the same number of releases as the Wii.

I don't maintain a database but from reading these threads whenever a semi big game has released for the console it has sold well.

Again, usually less than its previous iteration, but I'd still agree and say it sold "well," in the big picture of where the console is at in its lifespan.

Do you not think MH3 would of sold well on Ps2?

As well as on Wii? Not particularly. If third-parties had made a conscious effort to keep the PS2 well alive and Capcom had groomed the console to be the home for the next Monster Hunter? Maybe. However if third-parties had made a conscious effort to support Wii along with Capcom's grooming of the console to be the home for the next Monster Hunter, I think we would be asking when it was going to hit 2 million instead of wondering if it is going to hit 1.

 

[obonicus]

Well considering that this is the first legitimate attempt to do, I'd say it is still noteworthy.

Sure, but unsurprising. The most noteworthy thing, I think, is how unsurprising it is. There was no 'real' bomba, there was no 10-day million. It's exactly in the bland middle that doesn't tell us much about anything other than well, not to lose hope in the Wii, maybe?

 

[Tenbatsu]

Lol, I still dont understand why people are still calling MH3 a bomb. Bet Capcom is now laughing their way to the bank.

 

[dfyb]

Bingo! But dfyb would much rather play it on the PS3 or the 360 and watch Capcom bleed money maintaining two completely different engines.

i love how some of you act like capcom or anybody else can't possibly afford to make a PS360 game, despite the fact that capcom has been doing pretty good on PS360 and already has one of the best PS360PC engines in the industry that they've been using to make quite a few HD games with relative success.

 

[dolemite]

Lol, I still dont understand why people are still calling MH3 a bomb. Bet Capcom is now laughing their way to the bank.

but not the retailers who are stuck with several hundred thousands unpurchased units.

 

[Tiktaalik]

First Week:
Freshly Picked Tingle’s Rosy Rupeeland 45,988
Irodzuki Tincle no Koi no Balloon Trip 33,000

No promotion for Tingle 2?

Damn you Nintendo you're sitting on a goldmine.

 

[schuelma]

i love how some of you act like capcom or anybody else can't possibly afford to make a PS360 game, despite the fact that capcom has been doing pretty good on PS360 and already has one of the best PS360PC engines in the industry.

Do you have any clue what thread you are in and what franchise we are discussing?

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

i love how some of you act like capcom or anybody else can't possibly afford to make a PS360 game, despite the fact that capcom has been doing pretty good on PS360 and already has one of the best PS360PC engines in the industry.

Hello my name is dfyb and well I like to rationalize.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

but not the retailers who are stuck with several hundred thousands unpurchased units.

Whoa whoa whoa. Several hundred thousands is definitely going too far. Personally, I think the retailers are going to get stuck with some toxic stock, but certainly no more than a hundred thousand copies. Which is still not good, but a far cry from several hundred thousand.

 

[markatisu]

Do you have any clue what thread you are in and what franchise we are discussing?

Obviously he does not, since he cannot understand that MH is a PSP franchise which means porting new version of the console to it are a big deal (here is a clue, its not easy to do when you are porting DOWN from the HD side braniac)

 

[schuelma]

but not the retailers who are stuck with several hundred thousands unpurchased units.

Do you know what "several hundred thousand" means?

 

[Jaded Alyx]

bleebleork~! ork~ meejhuattiiiiiyeepyipyip!!

See, I can talk nonsense too!

 

[schuelma]

This thread is making me cranky!

 

[markatisu]

Whoa whoa whoa. Several hundred thousands is definitely going too far. Personally, I think the retailers are going to get stuck with some toxic stock, but certainly no more than a hundred thousand copies. Which is still not good, but a far cry from several hundred thousand.

With the holidays and an eventual price drop (or BEST of) I would not be so sure. We all should take a step back and wait for MC numbers, as well as give the damn game 4-5 weeks to see what kind of legs it will have.

 

[Tenbatsu]

I would imagine that MH3 will be judged a success based on the install base of paying online customers.

I can answer this. There are freaking a lot of people online thats for sure.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

With the holidays and an eventual price drop (or BEST of) I would not be so sure. We all should take a step back and wait for MC numbers, as well as give the damn game 4-5 weeks to see what kind of legs it will have.

A BEST of release would be counted as a separate SKU, and yes, when they finally do that (and they will), if we add it to the original SKU, it will almost definitely go over a million. However, I think before that, retailers are going to end up having to ditch some copies. Capcom definitely overshipped the title, like Nintendo did with Animal Crossing Wii.

Try not to take it too hard, but I just don't think Monster Hunter has nearly as much potential as a console game. You can't play Monster Hunter Wii on the train, you can't play Monster Hunter Wii in the schoolyard, you can't play Monster Hunter Wii while you're sitting on a station platform, and it takes some deliberate planning to actually play locally with your buddies using your own characters.

I think a lot of people really fail to understand why Monster Hunter is as popular as it is on the PSP.

 

[Brofist]

Lol, I still dont understand why people are still calling MH3 a bomb. Bet Capcom is now laughing their way to the bank.

More like nervously giggling and checking the status of the PSP port.

 

[markatisu]

I can answer this. There are freaking a lot of people online thats for sure.

Well they did increase servers, but it bombed so they are not making jack shit there I guess

Try not to take it too hard, but I just don't think Monster Hunter has nearly as much potential as a console game. You can't play Monster Hunter Wii on the train, you can't play Monster Hunter Wii in the schoolyard, you can't play Monster Hunter Wii while you're sitting on a station platform, and it takes some deliberate planning to actually play locally with your buddies using your own characters.

I think a lot of people really fail to understand why Monster Hunter is as popular as it is on the PSP.

I completely agree, its appeal is in its mobility. Which is why I am amazed that people are saying what they are about it. A few months ago it would be lucky to pass 500-600k to most of GAF and now its not living up to its potential because it will be close or just inch past 1m

 

[Brofist]

I can answer this. There are freaking a lot of people online thats for sure.

Let's wait and see how many stick around after the free trial period

 

[markatisu]

Let's wait and see how many stick around after the free trial period

You only have to wait about 10 more days, the free trial was 21 days long

 

[Tenbatsu]

Well they did increase servers, but it bombed so they are not making jack shit there I guess

Thank god it bombed and they increase the servers. Or else I think I will have a hard time getting online. More games should bomb next time to cater to more people:lol

Let's wait and see how many stick around after the free trial period

Once you pop, you can't stop!

 

[Vinnk]

I can answer this. There are freaking a lot of people online thats for sure.

Do they realize the game was a bomba? I bet they will feel foolish when they find out.