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Media Create Sales: Jul 27-Aug 2, 2009
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JoshuaJSlone
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It's worth noting that in behind-the-scenes data trading action, last year I supplied donny with a bunch of old saved MC HTML pages, and he in return sent back the spreadsheet version he processed them into. So I do have a bunch of stuff that should be pretty straightforward to get in--it's just that with things that can be done at any time, it's easy to always put them off until tomorrow. This reminder of it got me to actually start working on it, though. The biggest part of it is matching up the new data with existing Game IDs.JoshuaJSlone said:
Unrelatedly, about all the "Ouch KOF XII" comments... don't King of Fighters sales always suck? First weeks of 15-30K seemed pretty standard even on PS2.
Grampa Simpson
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And here I was hoping for pictures of you and a stir-fry fedora.Michan said:
DangerousDave
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Cosmonaut X said:
It's a good number, if we compare it with other third parties, but I expected more of the combo MH - Wii.
Monster Hunter fanbase has grown A LOT in the last 3 years. And, taking in consideration that the people was buying since 2006 a slightly upgraded version (or a port) of the game that already had, I supposed that a new iteration should be nearer to the million.
Also being in Wii (the most extended home console in Japan) and having a exclusive bundle with a black wii. I think that, even if the numbers are impressive, Capcom expected more.
Flying_Phoenix
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DangerousDave said:
This is a console version though. Only the handheld entrys have performed MASSIVE so far. Think Poke'mon or Tetris franchises.
JoshuaJSlone said:
Its more about the type of release.
The older KOF ports were always release 2 to 3 years after the initial arcade release which were also already on a console (neo geo). I mean who really cares about KOF 2000 when people are playing KOF 2002. Especially with how KOF work. The series goes in sets of about 3 years and inside each set it is like going from GGXX->GGXX#->GGXX/. Whose gonna care about GGXX when the community is playing GGXX/.
KOF XII is actual release close to its Arcade counterpart like SF4 and BB and it still performed terribly. Include in the fact that they added a brand new engine and redrew all the sprites and backgrounds in HD. This is a terrible failure.
viciouskillersquirrel
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While I certainly don't see the PS3 going above 150k during FFXIII week, I definitely see it doing 100k.
Mind you, I fully expect FFXIII to significantly underperform in comparison to FFX or even FFXII. Even if there truly are 2 million fanatical FF fans who will buy a system for one game, we'll only see a boost in PS3 sales for an extended bump (it'll breathe life into system sales) but FFXIII sales will fall off a steep cliff (2nd hand copies flooding the market).
Mind you, I fully expect FFXIII to significantly underperform in comparison to FFX or even FFXII. Even if there truly are 2 million fanatical FF fans who will buy a system for one game, we'll only see a boost in PS3 sales for an extended bump (it'll breathe life into system sales) but FFXIII sales will fall off a steep cliff (2nd hand copies flooding the market).
viciouskillersquirrel
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My memory of the last few weeks is a little foggy. Is the DS still enjoying a Dragonbump or was it always that high?schuelma said:
Wii's Monsterbump is a little lower than I expected. You'd have thought the black Wii would be bigger.
LINK.AGE76
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hatchx said:
What? you mean thousand!
DangerousDave
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Flying_Phoenix said:
Yes, but MGS4 sold over 400k or Yakuza 3 sold 350k first week. With a userbase much smaller. With the numbers of Wii that are now in Japan, the sales of that kind of exclusive should be higher.
It's a good number, but less than expected.
boiled goose
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hatchx said:
it is also possible lots of other games would have been developed for them instead as well.
some of EA's like mirrors edge and mass effect, some of 2ks like bioshock, lots of the rpgs that were moneyhatted by 360, dragon quests, etc
LINK.AGE76
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AniHawk said:
Oh :lol
viciouskillersquirrel
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People keep comparing it to the handheld launches as well as the launches of Nintendo's own mega-franchises (speaking of which, how did Brawl do out of the gate?).RyuKanSan said:
viciouskillersquirrel said:
If we go off past data, we can see that games with a built-in fanbase are resistant to decay, such as MGS4. I think it's going to be a matter of how many die-hard fans there really are for the game and how many and how fast second-hand copies will appear.
Segata Sanshiro
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To the first point, um, DQ isn't the only game that can cause a big hardware bump.DavidDayton said:
To the second, the decisions were made at different times, and decisions regarding those two series are made by different people. It'll never necessarily be the case that FF will go where DQ goes or vice versa.
Flying_Phoenix
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Where's LINK at? :lol
What happened to "Monster Hunter isn't going to sell on the Wii due to it being too late in the game" as well as all that other Wii is dead in Japan forever shit?
:lol
By this logic every PS2 game underperformed as the games should have sold at least 5 times as much as they would have on a competing platform. Install base doesn't matter much when it comes to established franchises.
What happened to "Monster Hunter isn't going to sell on the Wii due to it being too late in the game" as well as all that other Wii is dead in Japan forever shit?
:lol
DangerousDave said:
By this logic every PS2 game underperformed as the games should have sold at least 5 times as much as they would have on a competing platform. Install base doesn't matter much when it comes to established franchises.
Khrno said:
This is Japan we're talking about. Japanese people don't have PCs unless they're hardcore otaku. In the US & Europe, FFXIV will sell more on PC than on PS3, in Japan it will probably still sell more on PS3.
schuelma said:
We need the 'streams have crossed'.jpg for this one.
I'm sure someone will provide a real translation soon, but I believe I can pick up a few things using Babelfish:schuelma said:
- MH3 has third best start of any Wii game after SSBB (820k) and Mario Kart Wii (594k).
- First third party console title this generation to exceed 500k first week.
- CC Pro bundles had high sell-through (I think ~70-80%?) compared to the standalone disc and also outsold it 2 to 1.
- Most buyers in the age range of university students. (Younger people were few in comparison.)
- Black Wii sold 45k, the special bundle sold 20k and both sold out? (Not sure if those bundles are included in the Black Wii number, but I'm guessing not.)
- Lots of Wii Lan Adapters and Wii Points cards sold.
viciouskillersquirrel
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This doesn't necessarily make him wrong. Collectively, third parties have starved their audience on the Wii to death (either that or they never tried to build it). Suffice to say, it is anaemic right now. Stuff on the scale of MH3 would needed to have started releasing last year in order to get a healthy ecosystem for third parties today.Flying_Phoenix said:
As it is, the Wii will never be a PS2-like haven for third parties. Nor will the PS3 or 360. Those days are over and aren't coming back - not this gen and not on consoles. At this point, brand perception and common feeling regarding the kind of experience the Wii does and does not offer are set in stone.
In many ways, it is too little, too late, though games with "in-built" audiences will do well regardless.
Flying_Phoenix
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viciouskillersquirrel said:
Let me reword what I was saying.
"Monster Hunter 3 will bomb and won't do shit to move Wii hardware sales" (even the 90k is too much).
Cellbomber
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DavidDayton said:
The Final Fantasy 3 game combo the PS3 is going to experience should give a large combined bump. All may appeal to slightly different audiences as well.
Will most gamers in Japan pick up FF 14 on PS3 or PC?
DangerousDave said:
MH3 only had 2 days, when it has its full week it will be closer to 650-800k depending
I like how people continue to act as if next Sunday is the final day MH3 will ever sell and we will all watch it leave the charts for good
Goddamn GAF needs a rolling eyes smiley
Cellbomber said:
They will pick up 14 on ps3. Like it was said earlier in the thread, PC is not a real gaming platform in japan.
As for the number of systems all three FFs will move....I'm going to say 450k. This is counting the boost from ffxiii, vs, and 14 (which won't have much of one). I am also factoring in boosts from after week 1.
Note that this still won't get the ps3 even to 4 million in Japan at its current rate. Well, maybe by the time vs (do we have any ideas on this?) comes out, but not by this holiday season.
Liabe Brave
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I agree that predicting a single week hardware number of 225k for PS3 is totally unreal. But I do believe there's a potential for FF XIII to be part of a big jump in hardware. Checking Garaph, between the PS3 price drop in fall of 2007 (leading to the cheaper 40GB) and the end of the holidays 12 weeks later, PS3 sold about 500,000 units. It doesn't seem too terribly insane that if there's another price drop this fall, coupled with FF XIII and (potentially) GT 5 during the holidays, we could see that performance doubled. That's half a million extra PS3s.
I don't think such an outcome can be expected of FF XIII alone, or of any game lineup; it seems a price drop/new model would be necessary. But there's plenty of signs pointing to one. A million PS3s sold in 3 months is definitely still on the outside edge of probability, but seeing the historical data makes it not quite so unimaginable.
I don't think such an outcome can be expected of FF XIII alone, or of any game lineup; it seems a price drop/new model would be necessary. But there's plenty of signs pointing to one. A million PS3s sold in 3 months is definitely still on the outside edge of probability, but seeing the historical data makes it not quite so unimaginable.
DavidDayton said:
FFXIII has been in development a long long lonnnnnnngg. time; before the Wii took off. That and that alone is the reason why you see FFXIII and Versus going to the PS3/ HD consoles.
I wouldn't be surprised if Square-Enix announced FFXV for the Wii/WiiHD though
viciouskillersquirrel
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Nah. Development cycle will be too long. Development of FFXV will outlast this gen.rpmurphy said:
perfectchaos007
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who was the poster last week who said they would go crazy if the wii sold under 100K this week?
Flying_Phoenix
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schuelma said:
So Monster Hunter 3 and Wii hardware had potential to sell even more? :O