Laplasakos
Member
Since everyone calls these games a global success, what where the expectations of the said games then?
Since everyone calls these games a global success, what where the expectations of the said games then?
Hamster announced 200k sales for their Neo Geo games after the first month. Presumably that's higher than they've done on PS4 or XBO given no announcements there.
Puyo Fever did 70k in the west on Switch after 5 weeks. Modest sales sure but good for Puyo and it likely vastly outperformed the PS4 version. Only western market we have a direct comparison was the UK retail ratio and that was 8:1 in Switch's favor. In Japan it also did pretty well and ended up being the 2nd best selling version overall despite being such a late port.
Sonic Mania and Namco Museum both topped eShop the charts globally and are still top 10 everywhere even now. I suspect when we get some publisher comments on both they'll be extremely positive.
And for indies we're getting constant threads on GAF on how Switch ports are outselling all other versions, and even all other versions combined in some cases. It's so frequent it's almost become satire now.
Also, lol at your 500k-1m strawman. Exactly which Switch games do you think should have sold that but haven't?
Why exactly do you disagree? What indications are there to support such judgement? Give me some semblance of an argument at least?
Laplasakos
Member
Wait a minute. 70k and Shop rankings is all you got? And despite this you called them a '' global success''? Oh wow...
Well, when you said global success i don't think anyone imagines 200k numbers. It's not my fault that you are not using the proper words and exaggerating.
What indication do you need, when the game had a terrible reception from the start and every piece of news or footage was received negative? Did you check the game at all in all these months or the reception? How exactly a Switch version would have solve this and sell more as you say?
This was announced on May 3rd, so after 2 months. Just wanted to correct that, don't mind me and keep discussing
Orniletter
Banned
I'm refering to a very...let's call it delicate group of people who were regulars in MC threads before the Switch launched, who used to be quite vocal.
You are absolutely correct though, point taken.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
If they can't make enough profits to support their DLC development then the development for season 2 is going to be canned if the digital attachment isn't good enough. Me being a pessimist, I think Season 2 is going to get canned and Capcom is going to blame it on audiences and players, rather themselves, like they did with SF x TK.
Jawbreaker
Member
This has become the de facto containment thread for Switch port begging. : p
Considering how Switch games are doing digitally, yes topping the eShop charts (and holding that for weeks like these two games did, unseating Minecraft) does mean something. Like I said though this is only a relative ranking but the indication here is both did rather well. Likewise 70k is pretty great in the west, especially (if the UK ratio held elsewhere) you're doing under 9k on PS4. And really that ratio even favors PS4 contextually given it's one of Nintendo's weaker markets and the Switch version exclusively had a digital version.
It's not an exaggeration, it's basic logic, understanding and the correct use of language. 200k is a huge global success for the ACA Neo Geo line. One that we're not seeing replicated on other platforms so far.
I think you're arguing past me, I never said a Switch version would solve any of that. Only that it could probably outsell the game's already incredibly low figures on PS4. And you haven't yet brought anything to the table to support your own thinking it couldn't.
Thanks for that, I wasn't totally sure.This was announced on May 3rd, so after 2 months. Just wanted to correct that, don't mind me and keep discussing
Success is defined as meeting or exceeding projected sales. Most indie games would kill to have 200k numbers. Not sure what's so hard to understand about this.
Skittzo0413
Member
2 games actually ;p
That's completely on you, not the other poster. A global success is a game that sold at or above- globally- the publisher's expectation. There is no defined number for a global success. If a new Mario Kart game sold in your range (500k-1M) that would be a horrendously bad result.
It used to be the de facto containment thread for Capcom bashing until that spilled out.
Laplasakos
Member
Then you should have said '' global success '' for the Neo Geo line and not for every Switch game. So yes, as i said before it was an exaggeration from your part and wrong use of words. It's hilarious that you are still arguing about it when there is you post a few pages back. Can't you admit that it was just a mistake?
I have, it's only that you don't want to notice and i doubt you will unless i start agreeing to everything with you.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Personally I understand Laplasakos point to a degree that you can't assume that because publishers are happy with sales a system has the potential to whip out huge software sales. You do need some titles breaking 500k and 1m+ sales to help paint a picture of an environment that can foster big sellers.
But on the flip, nothing on the Switch besides Nintendo's games ever had a shot at 1m so its a null observation. The biggest third party release on the system thus far is NBA 2K. The next biggest is Fifa. (Well okay technically Rabbids is the biggest 3rd party release but you know, obvious reasons there)
Of the titles we do know the sales potential is there. But we dont have definitive proof of anything huge yet. Fair enough.
But on the flip, nothing on the Switch besides Nintendo's games ever had a shot at 1m so its a null observation. The biggest third party release on the system thus far is NBA 2K. The next biggest is Fifa. (Well okay technically Rabbids is the biggest 3rd party release but you know, obvious reasons there)
Of the titles we do know the sales potential is there. But we dont have definitive proof of anything huge yet. Fair enough.
BrokenJohnCena
Member
Said the same person who kept port begging monster hunter to the ps4 months ago
Tbf,does anyone really expect late ports,arcade ports and indie games to do 500k-1mil?
Jawbreaker
Member
I was? Link?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I'm confused are we talking about western or Japanese third parties or both? Are we talking purely Japan or worldwide? I we're talking about all and domestic NBA 2k is not the biggest 3rd party game on the system if we're talking about western domestic they've barely ever outside of extreme outliners reached those numbers in the first place at least not for many many years. If we're talking worldwide western then Fifa is a waay bigger game than NBA.
Fate/Extella
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Did we get worldwide sales/shipments for the that in the end?
Gotdatmoney
Member
Worldwide and all publishers regardless of regions was what I was talking about. This is in regards to games actually released on the Switch as of today.
Fifa is way bigger than 2k but Fifa isn't out yet besides the Ronaldo edition shit that thry are doing. As of today NBA 2K is the biggest series released on the Switch. Fifa will be the biggest when it actually comes out. And again I was talking globally.
That one did better than I personally predicted for what it was.
I strongly suspect that the US will not be bailing the game out at all.
It's really scary that Capcom's path forward right now is praying for MHW to be a breakout hit in the west.
I have no faith that the US will bail the game out. Capcom released an unappealing product.
Skullwaker
Member
Global success does not mean some arbitrary universal number. It doesnt take a genius to understand that.
That being said, of course Switch = automatic success for any title isnt realistic, and I dont think anyone was arguing that.
As for MvCI, yes a Switch version wouldve helped a bit, but the game overall was doomed regardless of platforms because its an unappealing product that they marketed poorly.
That being said, of course Switch = automatic success for any title isnt realistic, and I dont think anyone was arguing that.
As for MvCI, yes a Switch version wouldve helped a bit, but the game overall was doomed regardless of platforms because its an unappealing product that they marketed poorly.
A Switch version of MvCI wouldn't have helped any. Another 8k sales in Japan wouldn't matter. The game has issues and no platform was going to change the reception the game has received.
SporeCrawler
Member
a rerelease of a wiiu tekken spinoff game sold almost as much as tekken7... fighting game devs should take a look at this
UMVC3 or USF4 however..
UMVC3 or USF4 however..
Except I never said 200k was a global success for everything? I just said we had multiple examples of global success on Switch, listed some of them and then gave some further context on each. Where's this mistake I need to admit to?
You haven't though. All you've said is you disagree and that's pretty much the beginning and end of your argument.
"We should make our very own Pokémon-type game!"
Gotdatmoney
Member
Megaman Robot Masters fighting game based on Tatsunoko vs Capcom. Gooooo.
Laplasakos
Member
Here.
You missed the part where i said that the reception of the game would't have allowed more sales to a Switch version?
Gotdatmoney
Member
Remaster Zack & Wiki for the Switch . . . Please?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
It's going to be about 115k.
That wouldn't make any money but I'd buy it immediately ;_;
Jawbreaker
Member
REmake 2.
Skullwaker
Member
I meant help relative to what its sold. I would hardly call doubling the current sales negligible (I dont think it wouldve been just Japan either).
But yes, as I said, the game was doomed whether it was on Switch or not.
REmake 2 is in the works, but we haven't seen anything on it yet. Itsuno also has a new project, but since it skipped TGS, there's no telling when they'll unveil that, either.
Jawbreaker
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if it gets revealed at PSX.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I know 😢
In all seriousness though. The only reason Capcom's situation looks dire is because we know they wont actually do whatever game they produce justice.
They could make a crazy 3rd person shooter Dino Crisis with light puzzle/adventure elements and the shit would sell like crazy. Resident Evil Revelations inspired Raid mode with different dinos and all.
They just dont want to go all in on anything. That's why MHW has such a good response. Cause it doesn't look like they are going in half hearted.
I wouldn't be, either (to both of them, for that matter), but if both miss PSX, then I would begin to really worry about Capcom as a whole.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
DMC5 hopefully.
No, I don't believe it ever had any kind of date set. From what we knew when they announced it, they literally just got the greenlight to move forward on the project, meaning that any work that was done up to that point would be little more than a pitch.
Yeah and that's why I think MHW will do well in Japan for the PS4. That just isn't going to be enough alone.
Also why I think they have a chance in the west at expanding the audience, but probably not to the tune of what they lose in Japan. Maybe it blows up though. But I think they'd need 3 million in the west to do that (with 1.5 or so in Japan).
Not a MH person but judging from others it seems to be a quality effort/dream effort for MH fans who would rather have that game on home consoles.
I think they can perhaps pull it off and build on it going forward, but I hope they are already repurposing its assets to a Switch game.
If it didn't sound like quality, this would be a much worse looking situation.
That... is not incorrect? Where's this mistake?
That's... uh... how does that work exactly? Why would the horrible reception have any bearing one way or the other on platform splits?
perfectchaos007
Member
Pokken DX hardly moved the needle. Switch owners are starting to want more than Wii U ports