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[Sn4ke_911]

Belgian fansite metalgearsolid.be has provided a translation of the few lines we can see on the paper. The dialogue recorded is for various radio communications. The text on the paper reads (translated from French to English, so obviously it may differ from the official script):

Explaining to the player that attacking will have no effect
10001/Miller – “Boss, any attack is useless!” (column 1502)
10002/Ocelot – “Stop! It serves no purpose!” (column 1502)


I love this already, maybe some kind of boss that we have to find out first how to damage him.

 

[JayEH]

So I've been continuing my watch of Japanese footage from Ground Zeroes and TPP and I found something interesting (to me).

As we all know, this is the first time that the English voice acting isn't a dub and in fact it's the Japanese voices which are being dubbed over the English voices. This seems to be due in large part to getting Kiefer Sutherland as Snake. But I noticed something as I was watching the original Ground Zeroes showing at PAX Prime 2012 (which was in Japanese).

Here is the "Keep you waiting, huh?" line in the original showing. Which is 待たせたな "mataseta na" in Japanese.

In the gif below you can see Akio Otsuka say the line which is synced to the Japanese line.

Here's the line again in the retail Japanese copy. You can see here that the lips are saying "Kept you waiting huh?" and not mataseta na.

I guess the decision to facial capture English wasn't made at the time or maybe Sutherland wasn't cast yet? I know it's dumb but its just something I thought stood out.

 

[Dawg]

Belgian fansite metalgearsolid.be has provided a translation of the few lines we can see on the paper. The dialogue recorded is for various radio communications. The text on the paper reads (translated from French to English, so obviously it may differ from the official script):

Explaining to the player that attacking will have no effect
10001/Miller – “Boss, any attack is useless!” (column 1502)
10002/Ocelot – “Stop! It serves no purpose!” (column 1502)

There's a Belgian fansite?

 

[Sn4ke_911]

There's a Belgian fansite?

Those guys are one of the best MGS fan sites out there if not THE best.

http://www.metalgearsolid.be/

Always the newest info.

 

[Love Deterrence]

So I've been continuing my watch of Japanese footage from Ground Zeroes and TPP and I found something interesting (to me).

As we all know, this is the first time that the English voice acting isn't a dub and in fact it's the Japanese voices which are being dubbed over the English voices. This seems to be due in large part to getting Kiefer Sutherland as Snake. But I noticed something as I was watching the original Ground Zeroes showing at PAX Prime 2012 (which was in Japanese).

Here is the "Keep you waiting, huh?" line in the original showing. Which is 待たせたな "mataseta na" in Japanese.

In the gif below you can see Akio Otsuka say the line which is synced to the Japanese line.

Here's the line again in the retail Japanese copy. You can see here that the lips are saying "Kept you waiting huh?" and not mataseta na.

I guess the decision to facial capture English wasn't made at the time or maybe Sutherland wasn't cast yet? I know it's dumb but its just something I thought stood out.

Actually, I brought that up in early MGSV threads. But everyone ignored me because creds weren't real. ;_; But seriously, it looked like they just hadn't added in the facial capture data from Sutherland. I think the facial capture seen in the PAX East 2012 demo was simply from the actor who performs the full body scan or

Spoiler

David Hayter

! They had to have had Kiefer's facial data somewhere I'm sure, but maybe not ready to implement into a game demo/build? Because we hear him for the first time at the VGAs. It's kinda weird, I guess, but when I sound out "Kept you waiting, huh?", it matches fine.

 

[Rean]

Actually, I brought that up in early MGSV threads. But everyone ignored me because creds weren't real. ;_; But seriously, it looked like they just hadn't added in the facial capture data from Sutherland. I think the facial capture seen in the PAX East 2012 demo was simply from the actor who performs the full body scan or

Spoiler

David Hayter

! They had to have had Kiefer's facial data somewhere I'm sure, but maybe not ready to implement into a game demo/build? Because we hear him for the first time at the VGAs. It's kinda weird, I guess, but when I sound out "Kept you waiting, huh?", it matches fine.

Your N4G check is in the mail LD.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Here is your 5 bucks LD

 

[Rean]

Belgian fansite metalgearsolid.be has provided a translation of the few lines we can see on the paper. The dialogue recorded is for various radio communications. The text on the paper reads (translated from French to English, so obviously it may differ from the official script):

Explaining to the player that attacking will have no effect
10001/Miller – “Boss, any attack is useless!” (column 1502)
10002/Ocelot – “Stop! It serves no purpose!” (column 1502)


I love this already, maybe some kind of boss that we have to found out first how to damage him.

Metal Gear...

 

[Love Deterrence]

Your N4G check is in the mail LD.

Here is your 5 bucks LD

N4G RIGHT NOW

 

[MajorTom]

So I've been continuing my watch of Japanese footage from Ground Zeroes and TPP and I found something interesting (to me).

As we all know, this is the first time that the English voice acting isn't a dub and in fact it's the Japanese voices which are being dubbed over the English voices. This seems to be due in large part to getting Kiefer Sutherland as Snake. But I noticed something as I was watching the original Ground Zeroes showing at PAX Prime 2012 (which was in Japanese).

Here is the "Keep you waiting, huh?" line in the original showing. Which is 待たせたな "mataseta na" in Japanese.

In the gif below you can see Akio Otsuka say the line which is synced to the Japanese line.

Here's the line again in the retail Japanese copy. You can see here that the lips are saying "Kept you waiting huh?" and not mataseta na.

I guess the decision to facial capture English wasn't made at the time or maybe Sutherland wasn't cast yet? I know it's dumb but its just something I thought stood out.

To me it kinda looks like he is still saying "Kept you waiting, huh?". however, it does look like the facial animation is more wooden....almost hand animated as opposed to the performance captured version in the final version which looks a lot smoother and realistic. I am no animation expert though so i have no idea.
Very strange. Like you said though, perhaps Sutherland wasn't cast at the time.

 

[JayEH]

Actually, I brought that up in early MGSV threads. But everyone ignored me because creds weren't real. ;_; But seriously, it looked like they just hadn't added in the facial capture data from Sutherland. I think the facial capture seen in the PAX East 2012 demo was simply from the actor who performs the full body scan or

Spoiler

David Hayter

! They had to have had Kiefer's facial data somewhere I'm sure, but maybe not ready to implement into a game demo/build? Because we hear him for the first time at the VGAs. It's kinda weird, I guess, but when I sound out "Kept you waiting, huh?", it matches fine.

It's just weird that they would go through the trouble of animating the faces for Japanese when the English voices are supposed to be first. In fact it's wierd that they showed a Japanese trailer first but I guess they might not have wanted to deal with the Hayter blowback.

Anyway, I've already received my checks. I didn't know you could have that many 0's on a check damn. Thanks for the idea since I stole your research! Ha, hahaha, ha.

 

[MajorTom]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=995639

I honestly don't know what to think about this thread.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

JayEH should buy out Konami with his new found wealth and cancel MGS V.

 

[GreyOcelot]

So I've been continuing my watch of Japanese footage from Ground Zeroes and TPP and I found something interesting (to me).

As we all know, this is the first time that the English voice acting isn't a dub and in fact it's the Japanese voices which are being dubbed over the English voices. This seems to be due in large part to getting Kiefer Sutherland as Snake. But I noticed something as I was watching the original Ground Zeroes showing at PAX Prime 2012 (which was in Japanese).

Here is the "Keep you waiting, huh?" line in the original showing. Which is 待たせたな "mataseta na" in Japanese.

In the gif below you can see Akio Otsuka say the line which is synced to the Japanese line.

Here's the line again in the retail Japanese copy. You can see here that the lips are saying "Kept you waiting huh?" and not mataseta na.

I guess the decision to facial capture English wasn't made at the time or maybe Sutherland wasn't cast yet? I know it's dumb but its just something I thought stood out.

i've said this before, but i don't think sutherland was performance captured for ground zeroes. he has like 20 lines and the only time they clearly show his face at all during any of them is just this one. seems like a waste to have dude in there performance capturing and then conveniently keep the camera away from his face so much. the animation seen here leads me to believe my assumption is correct...

To me it kinda looks like he is still saying "Kept you waiting, huh?". however, it does look like the facial animation is more wooden....almost hand animated as opposed to the performance captured version in the final version which looks a lot smoother and realistic. I am no animation expert though so i have no idea.
Very strange. Like you said though, perhaps Sutherland wasn't cast at the time.

i disagree. i think the animation looks way better in the first gif (independent of it matching the spoken word) his cheeks and the skin below his eye move in a more realistic manner, the actual we got looks like someone on some heavy botox whose face doesn't move all that much when they speak, which is why, as i've said before, i think it's hand-animated. not sure why it was changed for the japanese version though. maybe they had to change the character model and the old animation didn't fit

 

[Love Deterrence]

It's just weird that they would go through the trouble of animating the faces for Japanese when the English voices are supposed to be first. In fact it's wierd that they showed a Japanese trailer first but I guess they might not have wanted to deal with the Hayter blowback.

Anyway, I've already received my checks. I didn't know you could have that many 0's on a check damn. Thanks for the idea since I stole your research! Ha, hahaha, ha.

Yo, Jay, what the shit?

Spoiler

I still believe it's Hayter and we hear him in TPP.

 

[Love Deterrence]

Where did we go wrong, Rogue Agent?

 

[Rogue Agent]

Where did we go wrong, Rogue Agent?

I have no idea. I don't even remember this. XD

 

[Rean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZetK-1pmmU

 

[JayEH]

Yo, Jay, what the shit?

Spoiler

I still believe it's Hayter and we hear him in TPP.

Don't worry, you're invited to TPP cancellation party.

Anyway glad to know I wasn't the only one to notice that. Great minds think a like I guess!

 

[MajorTom]

i disagree. i think the animation looks way better in the first gif (independent of it matching the spoken word) his cheeks and the skin below his eye move in a more realistic manner, the actual we got looks like someone on some heavy botox whose face doesn't move all that much when they speak, which is why, as i've said before, i think it's hand-animated. not sure why it was changed for the japanese version though. maybe they had to change the character model and the old animation didn't fit

I have just watched the two gifs for a little longer. i have to say that i agree with you. The animation is way better and more realistic in the first one. I even recorded a quick video of myself saying the line for reference haha. My face moves way more like the first one than the second one. Maybe Sutherland's face doesnt move as much when he talks.

 

[JayEH]

i've said this before, but i don't think sutherland was performance captured for ground zeroes. he has like 20 lines and the only time they clearly show his face at all during any of them is just this one. seems like a waste to have dude in there performance capturing and then conveniently keep the camera away from his face so much. the animation seen here leads me to believe my assumption is correct...



i disagree. i think the animation looks way better in the first gif (independent of it matching the spoken word) his cheeks and the skin below his eye move in a more realistic manner, the actual we got looks like someone on some heavy botox whose face doesn't move all that much when they speak, which is why, as i've said before, i think it's hand-animated. not sure why it was changed for the japanese version though. maybe they had to change the character model and the old animation didn't fit

Looks like he was.

http://youtu.be/-pqP9DSMGEQ?t=2m56s

I have just watched the two gifs for a little longer. i have to say that i agree with you. The animation is way better and more realistic in the first one. I even recorded a quick video of myself saying the line for reference haha. My face moves way more like the first one than the second one. Maybe Sutherland's face doesnt move as much when he talks.

You can see him in the video. That first gif has a lot of detail in it for them to just throw away.

 

[Rogue Agent]

So I've been continuing my watch of Japanese footage from Ground Zeroes and TPP and I found something interesting (to me).

As we all know, this is the first time that the English voice acting isn't a dub and in fact it's the Japanese voices which are being dubbed over the English voices. This seems to be due in large part to getting Kiefer Sutherland as Snake. But I noticed something as I was watching the original Ground Zeroes showing at PAX Prime 2012 (which was in Japanese).

Here is the "Keep you waiting, huh?" line in the original showing. Which is 待たせたな "mataseta na" in Japanese.

In the gif below you can see Akio Otsuka say the line which is synced to the Japanese line.

The PAX trailer was also the 25th anniversary event, right? As the story goes Kojima only got the idea to cast Kiefer Sutherland when Avi Arad had suggested it to him during the 25th anniversary event. So this trailer would have been before Kiefer was around and they were just doing tests, yeah, as it was shown at the same event Avi Arad recommended Kiefer.

I think I even remember Hayter tweeting something about GZ at the time like "What a cool, photorealistic trailer" He had no idea what was going on behind the scenes.

Edit: Yeah, here...

https://twitter.com/DavidBHayter/status/242065211819966465

 

[MajorTom]

You can see him in the video. That first gif has a lot of detail in it for them to just throw away.

It is very detailed which is making me wonder why they they got rid of it and used Sutherland's version instead.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

The battle continues.

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568569258260574208

LET'S GO TEAM A!!!!!!

 

[JayEH]

The PAX trailer was also the 25th anniversary event, right? As the story goes Kojima only got the idea to cast Kiefer Sutherland when Avi Arad had suggested it to him during the 25th anniversary event. So this trailer would have been before Kiefer was around and they were just doing tests, yeah, as it was shown at the same event Avi Arad recommended Kiefer.

I think I even remember Hayter tweeting something about GZ at the time like "What a cool, photorealistic trailer" He had no idea what was going on behind the scenes.

Edit: Yeah, here...

https://twitter.com/DavidBHayter/status/242065211819966465

Damn, didn't even see that tweet He really got caught off guard. I guess people should direct their hate to Arad not Kojima.

Anyway another mystery solved by Detective Gaf!

 

[Stratosphere]

The battle continues.

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568569258260574208

LET'S GO TEAM A!!!!!!

Why would they blur out the screen?!?

Must be release date info on it. Sly Kojima.

 

[Death Metalist]

The battle continues.

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568569258260574208

LET'S GO TEAM A!!!!!!

 

[GreyOcelot]

Looks like he was.

http://youtu.be/-pqP9DSMGEQ?t=2m56s



You can see him in the video. That first gif has a lot of detail in it for them to just throw away.

i stand corrected...

I have just watched the two gifs for a little longer. i have to say that i agree with you. The animation is way better and more realistic in the first one. I even recorded a quick video of myself saying the line for reference haha. My face moves way more like the first one than the second one. Maybe Sutherland's face doesnt move as much when he talks.

like someone on some heavy botox whose face doesn't move all that much when they speak

sounds about right then i guess!

 

[Skullface]

Why would they blur out the screen?!?

Must be release date info on it. Sly Kojima.

Y'know how Japan has those porn descramblers? Why on God's green earth dont we have that for this particular occasion?

 

[MajorTom]

The battle continues.

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568569258260574208

LET'S GO TEAM A!!!!!!

They are teasing us way too much now
MGO is clearly in a playable state though so maybe its pretty close
Has it been confirmed that MGO is releasing alongside TPP? or will it be released later?

 

[Skullface]

They are teasing us way too much now
MGO is clearly in a playable state though so maybe its pretty close
Has it been confirmed that MGO is releasing alongside TPP? or will it be released later?

It's been stated that the intention is to release them together, but nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Rean]

The battle continues.

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568569258260574208

LET'S GO TEAM A!!!!!!

Konami giving us that real life torture.

 

[Love Deterrence]

I have no idea. I don't even remember this. XD

Hahahahaha! :lol Dude, I saw a post I directed at Batzi in that thread in which I was like "Batzi, you don't have all the answers and neither do we. You aren't above other Metal Gear fans." (Paraphrasing, bit that's the gist. LOL!!!! How wrong I was. Batzi da insider.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZetK-1pmmU

Perfect!

Don't worry, you're invited to TPP cancellation party.

Anyway glad to know I wasn't the only one to notice that. Great minds think a like I guess!

:smugface: intensifhais

Hahaha! We're fuckin' geniuses, bruh!

 

[JayEH]

The battle continues.

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568569258260574208

LET'S GO TEAM A!!!!!!

Fuck...it's A vs D.

 

[Rogue Agent]

The battle continues.

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568569258260574208

LET'S GO TEAM A!!!!!!

Popcicle's team lost again

 

[Rajang]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=995639

Hahahahaha!

Turned it into a fancy gif.

lol awesome. Will be using this gif for sure.

Thanks Cipher Cat :>

The battle continues.

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568569258260574208

LET'S GO TEAM A!!!!!!

That's not a devkit on the desk btw. Devkits are double the size of a normal PS4 and have a different color.

Spoiler

TPP theme'd PS4 confirmed

 

[sexyelder]

Something is gunna happen soon, I feel it in my bone marrow! If they are gunna release anything now is the time! Kojima would reveal the release date especially soon because it is already set in stone, he needs to anounce it himself before someone leaks it!

 

[Rean]

Quick question: Is Sins of the Father the official main theme for TPP?

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Quick question: Is Sins of the Father the official main theme for TPP?

Hai!

 

[sexyelder]

Quick question: Is Sins of the Father the official main theme for TPP?

No, the theme will probably be an instrumental epic

 

[Rogue Agent]

Hahahahaha! :lol Dude, I saw a post I directed at Batzi in that thread in which I was like "Batzi, you don't have all the answers and neither do we. You aren't above other Metal Gear fans." (Paraphrasing, bit that's the gist. LOL!!!! How wrong I was. Batzi da insider.)

Hahaha oh Batzi

Regarding Hayter, well, I'm on Team B now.

 

[Skullface]

Hahaha oh Batzi

Regarding Hayter, well, I'm on Team B now.

B is Solid appears but no Hayter right? Team B all the way.

 

[Rogue Agent]

Damn, didn't even see that tweet He really got caught off guard. I guess people should direct their hate to Arad not Kojima.

Anyway another mystery solved by Detective Gaf!

What I never understood was that if this was done so early (before they'd even had the discussions about Kiefer) and was lip synced in Japanese, why does the script have like... zero changes? The subtitles we got for the PAX trailer is the exact same dialogue actually spoken by Kiefer, Downes and company in the final english version. They didn't rewrite the script or change a single word once they made the switch up to english as the default language, it's no wonder that cutscene had mixed reactions when they first uploaded the english dub.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

No, the theme will probably be an instrumental epic

From Harry Gregson-Williams.

Just like Heavens Divide wasn't the main theme of Peace Walker.

 

[JayEH]

Here's GZ theme for people wondering. http://youtu.be/qQX3QfcccXk?t=1m21s

You can hear some of the old theme in there in parts.

I believe part of it plays when the heli comes.

Quick question: Is Sins of the Father the official main theme for TPP?

They haven't said yet.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THE MAIN THEME OF MGSV OMG!

All main themes from HGW were so amazing... MGS2, MGS3, MGS4!!!

 

[Rogue Agent]

B is Solid appears but no Hayter right? Team B all the way.

Yeah, that's right.

 

[Love Deterrence]

Quick question: Is Sins of the Father the official main theme for TPP?

I think it will be the main vocal theme, but I believe the song we hear in the teaser post-GZ will be the main theme! (You can hear a bit more of it during the TGS streams. Amazing track.)

Hahaha oh Batzi

Regarding Hayter, well, I'm on Team B now.

Hahahaha! Treacherous dog!

 

[Vally]

https://twitter.com/MetalGearOnline/status/568573368527491072

Round 1 is over with one round to go, it's Team As match to lose!

GO TEAM D

 

[sexyelder]

From Harry Gregson-Williams.

Just like Heavens Divide wasn't the main theme of Peace Walker.

Please god let them bring back the original theme.