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[Professor Beef]

Don't even start this again....

Spoiler

Twin Snakes is the definitive version of MGS1. Fuck the original.

 

[Mr. RHC]

I actually hoped they would go all cheese with Revengeance, but the they trying to mix it up with "serious" tones like seen in the demo.

 

[Ra1den]

It's still part of the same writing they have always done.

the charm aspect comes from the voice acting.
In Rising's case, it's Raiden's forced Batman voice, soooo, you either love it or hate it.

This is just my opinion, but...It's not easy to quantify, but the scripts in MGS1 through 3 had certain "feels" to them. MGS4 had that same feel a lot of the time, but for first time ever, had many non-MGS feeling moments in it. A good number of those moments felt cliche, like something out of some random Hollywood summer flick. MGS 1 through 3 never gave me that vibe. Those scenes made me disappointed, but the game was saved by the rest of the good stuff. And yeah, it never reached the level of this Rising dialogue even during the bad parts.

It's possible Rising will do this as well, I remain hopeful.

 

[Akainu]

You didn't played PW I see.

Are you talking about the Singing AI or the Boss AI cause none of them are as bad as the the Bladewolf one.

 

[Pie and Beans]

The "feel" of an MGS script.

 

[lucius]

Still no deals on this game?

The demo has me more convinced it will be worth it, but with Tomb Raider and Bioshick coming out next month, amazon, newegg someone throw us a bone.

 

[Frankenstrat]

That has not been my experience...even during Kojima's cliche scenes, like for instance, "love blossoming on the battlefield"...there was always some charm there, I never cringed. It was entertaining, even if a bit cheesy.

what

 

[Ra1den]

The "feel" of an MGS script.

60 words per sentence.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Are you talking about the Singing AI or the Boss AI cause none of them are as bad as the the Bladewolf one.

The Boss AI. No that I'm defending the Bladewolf dialogue but both were as bad and cheesy to me.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

WHAT IS FREEDOM DOES NOT COMPUTE

HUH, WHAT WOULD AN AI KNOW ABOUT FREEDOM

 

[Professor Beef]

WHAT IS FREEDOM DOES NOT COMPUTE

HUH, WHAT WOULD AN AI KNOW ABOUT FREEDOM

JC...can love bloom in an AI?

 

[Ra1den]

WHAT IS FREEDOM DOES NOT COMPUTE

HUH, WHAT WOULD AN AI KNOW ABOUT FREEDOM

Exactly. This is a whole new level ugh. Cutscene skipping was my only option.

 

[Unspeakable Evil]

The "feel" of an MGS script.

.

 

[Retro_]

At least butterflies didn't fly out from inside Bladewolf as he died

 

[Mr. RHC]

Spoiler

"ICH LIEBE KAPITALISMUS".

= cheesy cheese.

Spoiler

For example: Granin or Drebin - Monkey

= MGS "feel" cheese.

 

[Akainu]

At least butterflies didn't fly out from inside Bladewolf as he died

SYMBOLISM!!!!

Spoiler

I though it was touching. ;_;

Some puppies would be nice.

 

[direct_quote]

Am I the only one who is fine with the dialogue? The only thing I didn't like was the ripper voice but that exchange with blade wolf and Raiden had enough cheese for me to like it..

 

[wingz]

Epic caption for the title.

 

[Akainu]

Am I the only one who is fine with the dialogue? The only thing I didn't like was the ripper voice but that exchange with blade wolf and Raiden had enough cheese for me to like it..

There needs to be a level of cheese.

Bladewolf is crappy processed cheese.

 

[papercamm]

Since Raiden is a cyborg now does that mean he's technically naked while you play the game?

 

[Dahbomb]

Spoiler

Twin Snakes is the definitive version of MGS1. Fuck the original.

This post is so utterly full of fail.

God damn rats...

 

[Professor Beef]

Since Raiden is a cyborg now does that mean he's technically naked while you play the game?

Now I know why they gave him a poncho.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

At least butterflies didn't fly out from inside Bladewolf as he died

"It's not using it's head, it's using...it's heart"

 

[ScraftyDevil]

http://i.imgur.com/1UvlWn2.png[IMG]

[SPOILER]Twin Snakes is the definitive version of MGS1. Fuck the original.[/SPOILER][/QUOTE]

My man.

 

[Mr. RHC]

"It's not using it's head, it's using...it's heart"

I call localization error on this particular line. .... ..

Spoiler

"Sing... sing a song... sing out loud..." gimme a break, I loved this scene! <3

 

[Retro_]

V for Victory!

ROKKETTO

PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISU!!

 

[jett]

There needs to be a level of cheese.

Bladewolf is crappy processed cheese.

Bladewolf is the right amount of cheese. Bladewolf is awesome.

The supporting cast is what sucks. They're dull and bland as all fuck, which is what makes the cutscenes in the demo such a bore. The optional codecs are even worse.

 

[joe2187]

At least butterflies didn't fly out from inside Bladewolf as he died

Butterflies?

The Boss was bayonetta all along?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

heh heh

"optional" codecs

 

[EatChildren]

Peace Walker is the worst. Seriously. Poop.

EDIT: Twin Snakes owns (well not really but kinda).

 

[Akainu]

Peace Walker is the worst. Seriously. Poop.

EDIT: Twin Snakes owns (well not really but kinda).

They'll let anyone be mods these days.

 

[Gbraga]

heh heh

"optional" codecs

No, there are actual optional codecs in the demo. You access it through the menu.

 

[Mr. RHC]

Peace Walker is the worst. Seriously. Poop.

I enjoyed the game thoroughly, I especially praise the Briefing Files aka codec conversations done right again aka MGS1 style.

There is some weird stuff going on this game though, I admit it.

Spoiler

Dating Paz and Kaz

.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Bladewolf is the right amount of cheese. Bladewolf is awesome.

The supporting cast is what sucks. They're dull and bland as all fuck, which is what makes the cutscenes in the demo such a bore. The optional codecs are even worse.

I like Boris and trust Phil LaMarr enough to think that Kevin has some potential. My main problems are with Courtney and Doktor, who seem a little bit too stereotypical to be enjoyable, even for the MG series.

 

[Professor Beef]

Peace Walker is the worst. Seriously. Poop.

EDIT: Twin Snakes owns (well not really but kinda).

I knew I made the right choice when I voted for you.

 

[Akainu]

I liked Peace Walkers tape recordings. They were the best.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Platinum has this weird thing in all of their stories where it seems really earnest and overly complicated for rather simple premises, and every character who isn't a "main" character is bland or one note.

 

[Retro_]

At least the villains look really cool.

That was the biggest crime of MGS4 and PW to me. Adopting robots in place of really unique and cool boss designs.

Peace Walker also had the most comically evil villain in the series in Hot Coldman.(Which is saying alot since he's dethroning Boris fucking Volgin)

The first time we see the guy he's pushing a crippled man down a flight of stairs as he steals his robot.

To top it all off he gloats by flashing the VICTORY/peace sign(symbolism?) before we see the back of his head on which he has a peace symbol tattoo.(symbolism.)


Like really, I have no idea how Metal Gear fans are looking down their nose at this game being considered canon after the last two entries.

Platinum has this weird thing in all of their stories where it seems really earnest and overly complicated for rather simple premises, and every character who isn't a "main" character is bland or one note.

Yeah I can see this.

Sometimes I get the impression that their writers have forgotten they're making a video game about shooting robots or punching mutants. Especially in their more recent games.

 

[Criminal Upper]

Throw me in the Twin Snakes camp. I can't go back to the original with the way it looks/plays when I have missle backflips and less racist voice acting to look forward to.

Hopefully, I might be able to score a few copies of Rising before this week is out. #fingerscrossed

 

[InfiniteNine]

MGS > MGS: Twin Snakes all day every day. Peace Walker was pretty bad story-wise but I enjoyed co-oping it with a friend.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Platinum has this weird thing in all of their stories where it seems really earnest and overly complicated for rather simple premises, and every character who isn't a "main" character is bland or one note.

I didn't felt that Vanquish was overly complicated, ok it had that "twist" at the end but the story is fairly simple.

I agree on Bayonetta's front though.

And we can blame Madworld to Matsuno. lol

 

[Akainu]

Coldman was a jerk but at least he was working for peace. Sure it involved blowing everything up but come on Volgin was worst.

 

[joe2187]

Peace Walker is the worst. Seriously. Poop.

EDIT: Twin Snakes owns (well not really but kinda).

HURT ME MORE!

 

[Retro_]

I liked how Twin Snakes addressed some of the design flaws of the first game that people don't talk about enough. The length you have to retread for PSG-1 is greatly reduced and there are two valves in the Silo that will automatically change the launch key to both temperatures, rather than having you run back to ice level and lava level and waiting.

but it's no replacement for the original. The rest of the content doesn't work as well in the new perspective.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

I liked how Twin Snakes addressed some of the design flaws of the first game that people don't talk about enough. (Length you have to retread for PSG-1 is greatly reduced and there are two valves in the Silo that will automatically change the launch key to both temperatures, rather than having you run back to ice level and lava level and waiting.)

That's true.

But the MGS2 controls and mechanics bring a lot of problems to the original design of the game that wasn't adressed at all.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Am I the only one here who actually liked Chico from Peace Walker? Very few seem to share this sentiment

 

[Retro_]

That's true.

But the MGS2 controls and mechanics bring a lot of problems to the original design of the game that wasn't adressed at all.

Yeah I was editing my post to reflect that as well lol

Hit submit instead of preview.

I'm of the same opinion. In spite of its flaws I feel the original holds up much better as a whole than Twin Snakes.

I just think it's unfairly hated by the majority here on neogaf

Am I the only one here who actually liked Chico from Peace Walker? Very few seem to share this sentiment

Every supporting character in PW was a waste of time and potential

Game hypes up this huge cast of characters and then does absolutely nothing with any of them. Besides making them additions to mother base I guess

 

[Arozay]

Spoiler

Twin Snakes is the definitive version of MGS1. Fuck the original.

Spoiler

But he jumps on a rocket... MY IMMERSION!

 

[Ra1den]

When it comes to cheese, it is important to distinguish between people complaining about something being "over the top" like jumping on a rocket vs complaining about scripting. I don't think there is anything too over the top for an MGS game shown so far, MGS games are over the top already. I mean...that ship scene in MGS4. You know the one.

From what I can tell, most complaints, including mine, are with the scripting.

I liked Peace Walkers tape recordings. They were the best.

Those were awesome.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Every supporting character in PW was a waste of time and potential

Game hypes up this huge cast of characters and then does absolutely nothing with any of them. Besides making them additions to mother base I guess

I disagree, look at all that amount of useless info they give you about shit you don't care!