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[Eppy Thatcher]

Enter thread and first thing that stands out is Twin Snakes buffoonery. How that failure could even come up in this thread unless the cutscenes in Rising are as assfuckingly ridiculous as TSs were... astounds me.

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[EatChildren]

Twin Snakes is a worse game if just for the absence of a tight direction. MGS isn't MGS2, and because the game wasn't totally redesign the MGS2 mechanics simply broke the experience in favour of the player.

But all that really does is make the game brokenly easy. It's bad, but it's still very much playable, and looks really good to boot.

Cutscene changes didn't bother me. 99% of the game is identical and accurate, and changes made to Mei Ling and Naomi were canonised via MGS4. Athletic Snake was dumb but whatever, it made for silly cheesy cinema, and all the cinematography was quite excellent.

People would remember Twin Snakes more fondly if it was handled internally at KojiPro, and not Silicon Knights, was more subtle in changes to the cinematography, and didn't have brokenly easy gameplay (aka: the game was totally redesigned to accommodate MGS2 mechanics).

EDIT: MGS also has a hugely recognisable and iconic legacy, so much so that really any changes made to the cinema and gameplay would probably be frowned upon. It's like Ocarina of Time: everybody barked for remakes, but nobody really wants the game "remade" at all, they just want a new coat of paint. Unless MGS was remade mechanic for mechanic, shot for shot, only a new engine with new modern assets, there would be vocal complaints I think. Hell, you'd probably still get them.

Am I the only one here who actually liked Chico from Peace Walker? Very few seem to share this sentiment

Chico was fine. I also didn't mind Paz, as stupidly cliché as her character was, and Kaz is amazing.

The cast of Peace Walker didn't really bother me (including the hilariously named Hot Coldman) so much as the direction of the plot and continued circle jerk around The Boss. The story is just dumb and stupid and not really memorable for any good reasons. And this is on top of having the weakest, bizarrely non Metal Gear-like gameplay in the series.

I said it in another thread, but for all the shit I give MGS4 at least it was a distinctly KojiPro game. The first two acts were really good, and though the rest of the game went to shit there was still that unmistakable MGS/Kojima touch to the experience. Even at it's worst, the parts I hated, were distinctly Metal Gear. Peace Walker is just a soulless experience and a poor vision for the franchise.

 

[Red Blaster]

I like Peace Walker but it was a rather cynical cash-in attempt on the Monster Hunter popularity in Japan

 

[Retro_]

Those were awesome.

Some were neat

Then there's The Boss tapes.

The Boss died for our sins yes we get it Kojima

If there's anything that ruined the Metal Gear canon it's the creator's infatuation with that character.

or maybe it's the fanbase's

I disagree, look at all that amount of useless info they give you about shit you don't care!

Yo Huey she's a lesbian dude give up already why are you telling me this

 

[Solune]

Am I the only one who is fine with the dialogue? The only thing I didn't like was the ripper voice but that exchange with blade wolf and Raiden had enough cheese for me to like it..

Didn't have any issues, although I don't know if I'm desensitized or not. I liked it.

This post is so utterly full of fail.

God damn rats...

May the rats eat his eyes?

 

[Riposte]

Much like Major Zero, Kojima went a little crazy when Boss died it seems.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Twin Snakes is a worse game if just for the absence of a tight direction. MGS isn't MGS2, and because the game wasn't totally redesign the MGS2 mechanics simply broke the experience in favour of the player.

But all that really does is make the game brokenly easy. It's bad, but it's still very much playable, and looks really good to boot.

Not really, the game looked (and ran) worst than MGS2.

Also character models were shit. Those were constantly reminding you that you were not playing a MGS game made by the MGS people.

MGS deserved better, way better than a C-grade studio behind it.

I said it in another thread, but for all the shit I give MGS4 at least it was a distinctly KojiPro game. The first two acts were really good, and though the rest of the game went to shit there was still that unmistakable MGS/Kojima touch to the experience. Even at it's worst, the parts I hated, were distinctly Metal Gear. Peace Walker is just a soulless experience and a poor vision for the franchise.

I have to agree on this.

 

[Oichi]

Doesn't mean much, but MGR got 39/40 from Famitsu

 

[Retro_]

Doesn't mean much, but MGR got 39/40 from Famitsu

Famitsu confirms that Metal Gear Rising is in fact a game called Metal Gear

 

[Professor Beef]

Yeah, the MGS2 aiming mechanics in TS made the game pretty easy. I can't really argue with that. I was never a stickler for wanting a MGS1 shot-for-shot remake though, which is why TS > MGS1 in my book.

 

[JPKellams]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

 

[EatChildren]

Not really, the game looked (and ran) worst than MGS2.

Also character models were shit. Those were constantly reminding you that you were not playing a MGS game made by the MGS people.

MGS deserved better, way better than a C-grade studio behind it.

Eh, I disagree. Well, some character models (like Meryl and Otacon) looked poor, but I thought everything else was pretty spot on. Environments looked great too. Framerate was shit, yes.

I did recently play through it in Dolphin though, which cleaned up the image nicely, as well as the GCN framerate issues.

Individual grunts looked good too.

 

[rikichi]

Awesome JP.

Can't wait for the game and concert

 

[InfiniteNine]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

Gimme some Umbran robes DLC yo.

 

[EatChildren]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

Outside of "I just played the demo for the upteenth time and it was amazing", I unfortunately have nothing to contribute until I get my game.

Speaking of: Konami is apparently shipping EU copies with the Gray Fox skin code. Do you know if AU comes under that umbrella?

 

[Arozay]

Outside of "I just played the demo for the upteenth time and it was amazing", I unfortunately have nothing to contribute until I get my game.

Speaking of: Konami is apparently shipping EU copies with the Gray Fox skin code. Do you know if AU comes under that umbrella?

You're not ozgameshopping it?

 

[burgerdog]

So do we know for a fact if the missing effects from the wolf boss in the demo are the result of a bug? I'd prefer to go with the no tearing and superior cutscenes version(ps3), but if there are effects missing then it's a much harder choice.

 

[Retro_]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

Paid off my copy today in full.

Unfortunately the visit was to get my 25 bucks back from the CE preorder. Too poor

Can't wait. Cushion diving for enough towards the guide

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

Well at least Jett will get his wish after reading this

Probably not the answer he was looking for though

 

[EatChildren]

You're not ozgameshopping it?

I always have issues with ozgameshop's postage time, and I want to play this sooner rather than later. I don't really have any experience with their pre-orders though.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Eh, I disagree. Well, some character models (like Meryl and Otacon) looked poor, but I thought everything else was pretty spot on. Environments looked great too. Framerate was shit, yes.

I did recently play through it in Dolphin though, which cleaned up the image nicely, as well as the GCN framerate issues.

Well, I don't think we'll agree on this one. But I remember back in the day being surprised how bad some models looked.

Specially snake.

Some were ok like Raven or Ocelot but most of them? ugh.

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

But most of the game is already spoiled by trailers! there's nothing for speculate or talk! lol

Also I knew that the quality of the cutscenes were more akin to KP than PG

Spoiler

no offense

 

[TreIII]

Gimme some Umbran robes DLC yo.

"Rodriguez Mode" would be my choice.

 

[Mr. RHC]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

So Platinum Games has had no significant influence on cutscenes at all in this game even though the original story , bosses etc. of Rising were scrapped for more freedom in Revengeance? It is hard to believe Etsu Tamari had no back and forth with PG.

 

[Retro_]

So Platinum Games has had no significant influence on cutscenes at all in this game even though the original story , bosses etc. of Rising were scrapped for more freedom in Revengeance? It is hard to believe Etsu Tamari had no back and forth with PG.

I don't know how much JP plans to tell you

but there's a really good interview on CVG in which the game's director and producer sort of explain what the situation was like on both sides

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/382290/interviews/interview-platinum-men/?page=1#top_banner

and also the Edge article linked earlier by a gaffer

http://www.edge-online.com/news/metal-gear-rising-kojipro-and-platinum-clash-all-time/

 

[Gbraga]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

When the Bruce Lee costume DLC will come out?

 

[Whompa]

Spoiler

Twin Snakes is the definitive version of MGS1. Fuck the original.

I thought Kojima didn't even acknowledge it's existence.

 

[deim0s]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

Release the OST already.

 

[jett]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

Huh, that's interesting. They still remind me a lot of Vanquish's.

 

[Duffyside]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

Dude, I'd LOVE to!

... So when IS Bayonetta 2 coming out?

 

[nailbombxx]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

Are there going to be any nunchaku type of weapons?

 

[Gbraga]

Can we talk about our game please? LOL.

BTW - cutscenes were written by KojiPro, directed by KojiPro, recorded by KojiPro, edited by KojiPro. We used our cutscene team to implement them since it was our engine/assets. Hope that clears that up.

when's marvel?

 

[rvy]

Game needs costumes, make it DLC if you have to. MGS 2 Raiden would be nice. So would Olga's exoskeleton, or Raiden using Gray Fox's exoskeleton like in Substance.

Please.

 

[PepperJack]

Well I pre-ordered this. Can't say no to a platinum title and can't say no to third person hack and slash.

I just wish more gamers would embrace the platinum games so they had a bigger budget and more publisher support, and Bayo2 wouldn't be an exclusive...*sigh*

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

female DLC character, JP?

 

[neojubei]

Release the OST already.

This please

 

[rvy]

female DLC character, JP?

Who? Olga? I'm not seeing anyone else.

 

[JPKellams]

Release the OST already.

Next week.

 

[JohnnySasaki86]

So Platinum Games has had no significant influence on cutscenes at all in this game even though the original story , bosses etc. of Rising were scrapped for more freedom in Revengeance? It is hard to believe Etsu Tamari had no back and forth with PG.

I'm starting to think that the script =/= story. When they say they "scrapped the script" I'm thinking now they were refering to the gameplay encounters and overall flow of the game from beginning to end, and when cutscenes occur. Where has the actual writing and story remained unchaged.

edit: nvm looks like I was wrong. PlatniumgameJP clarified that Kojipro just directed and produced the cutscenes(which means "writing them"), where as Tamari wrote the story in collaboration with Kojipro

 

[Red Blaster]

What else is there to talk about when there's already been 50 trailers released and a 75 page demo thread

 

[InfiniteNine]

It looks like that first 15 minutes video got DMCA'd off youtube.

 

[Uraizen]

So... do we know whether or not the gray fox costume will be made available after release for NA? Not just speculation, but a 100% confirmation? Last game I ordered from gamestop arrived busted and I would rather not deal with that again if I don't have to.

 

[EatChildren]

Old Snake DLC or bust.

 

[Mechazawa]

So... do we know whether or not the gray fox costume will be made available after release for NA? Not just speculation, but a 100% confirmation? Last game I ordered from gamestop arrived busted and I would rather not deal with that again if I don't have to.

Nope.

But you know Konami is gonna milk that sweet, sweet costume money. How else are we gonna get MGS4 Raiden?

 

[rvy]

Nope.

But you know Konami is gonna milk that sweet, sweet costume money. How else are we gonna get MGS4 Raiden?

Isn't this MGS 4 Raiden?

 

[thesolidshark]

Metal Gear - subjectively deep, subjectively cheezy (personally loved it all, even the hated Portable Ops and Snake's Revenge)

But anyway, what female characters are people expecting to play in this. MGS2 Olga? Mistral somehow? The only female I would've expected to be possibly playable for a Rising game was that female cyborg ninja from Yoji Shinkawa's concept art of MGSR, and that's by the wayside now.

 

[direct_quote]

Even though I know people would rage, I would love dlc weapons :3..

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

Isn't this MGS 4 Raiden?

No, this is.

 

[JPKellams]

So Platinum Games has had no significant influence on cutscenes at all in this game even though the original story , bosses etc. of Rising were scrapped for more freedom in Revengeance? It is hard to believe Etsu Tamari had no back and forth with PG.

Of course we worked on the story together, its a collaboration. No one, at any point, has claimed otherwise. If you are going to credit someone for writing the story, it is going to be Etsu Tamari. He put pen to paper and wrote it based on our agreed upon outlines. And if you are going to credit someone for directing the cutscenes, it is Mr. Kobayashi. BTW - They both have desks here at PlatinumGames. This is a video game with a ton of moving parts, tons of people working together, which is what collaboration is about.

If people on this board want to make it out to be some school project where the teacher forces you to work as a team, but you each just do your own separate parts and hope it comes together in the end, I'm certainly not going to let the facts stand in the way of anyone's opinion. Jeez.

 

[Mechazawa]

Isn't this MGS 4 Raiden?

That's White Raiden, aka Pre-Get-Your-Shit-Fucked-Up-By-Sam Raiden.

The MGS4 Raiden skin has the helmet and weird jaw and everything.

No, this is.

Pretty sure this is White Raiden too.

 

[rvy]

No, this is.

DyeYung

Pretty redundant how ignorant fan boys say that this game tries to copy DmC when the original creative director of the Devil May Cry series (1-4) is now apart of Platnuim Games (who are developing this masterpiece of a hack-and-slash). Just another testament of how flawed fan-boyism really is.

wut

Who is the original creative director for DMC up to 4?

 

[Uraizen]

Nope.

But you know Konami is gonna milk that sweet, sweet costume money. How else are we gonna get MGS4 Raiden?

That's what I'm hoping for ... I guess, maybe? I'd just like the option of getting it one day if I ever wanted to.