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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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BruceLeeRoy said:
From the thread master himself!
Thanks
I prefer that white background version much more and the ink splats as well
All the covers are pretty fantastic but I'd of liked that cg Snake on the PAL box,the atmosphere is spot on and it shows the amount of detail on the model
Is there any hi-res scans of the CG cover?
Imperial Hot
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Ferrio said:
Right. I forgot about that. Either way, the injury probably expedited the process of FOXDIE activating. I was just trying to provide an explanation for the different FOXDIE activation times. My point was, that Big Mama's time was short due to her injury weakening her immune system.
Imperial Hot
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No. But at this point he was being manipulated by Liquid.domlolz said:
BruceLeeRoy
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domlolz said:
I haven't seen a really high res one of CG snake but Ill try and scan the cover today if I have time.
Micromegas
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Chiggs said:
Same.
Shinz Kicker said:
get a custom one:
http://www.vgboxart.com/view/19095/metal.gear.solid.4.guns.of.the.patriots/?replies=24
LiquidMetal14
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Sucks. I think it is worth buying the LE for that stuff. I have yet to watch mine since I haven't finished the game. I think they would sell about the price of a regular Blu Ray on ebay.traveler said:
Dabookerman
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BruceLeeRoy said:
Man I love this game.
DOM
I have been meaning to tell you this bro.
Your avatar is awesome nice job.
???? Original art please?
NinjaCodah
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snack:
the reason why ocelot manages to fight one last time at the end is because he's injecting himself with the syringes. He obviously knows he's going to die from FOXDIE. I think EVA realizes she's been infected too when Snake gets on the bike with her. I don't recall hearing the sound the game usually makes when FOXDIE is about to kill someone when she died however...
Moray said:
I was speaking relative to other games in the videogame genre. Obviously, no one is going to compare the story in MGS4 with the great works of literature. That is just silly.
My point was that this game took a step towards telling a compelling story by using movie-like cut scenes--yes, even long ones--and some people are calling this a flaw. I stand by statement that it is indeed naive and immature to think that all video games must conform to pre-established notions of what video games should be like or else they are considered "flawed".
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jaaz said:
I especially hate when MGS is compared to games like Bioshock, Half Life, etc, where you're just a faceless avatar. MGS games have stores, worlds and characters that simply can't be told and fleshed out in the same fashion as those games. If you don't like it, fine, but it accomplishes nothing to compare it to FPS games with no cutscenes.
Lord Error
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To answer my own question from much earlier on, and to thank TTP for convincing me:
MGS veterans should play the game on Hard difficulty first time through. I just finished the fight against Laughing Octopus, and all the way through the difficulty has been perfect. I even managed to beat her using tranquilizer darts, it still wasn't too tough or too easy - just right (amazingly creative boss fight btw).
I tried playing on Solid Normal as well, and from the first few scenes I could tell that the difficulty change was mostly in the way AI was working, and it was for the worse. Enemies were a lot dumber and less attentive. When they do notice you, their shots would drain your energy in about the same time as on Hard, but they were really a LOT less attentive. On Hard difficulty enemies were more or less behaving the way you'd expect normal people to. They'd hear your steps if you're too loud for example, and see you even when you're not just a few meters away from them.
Basically, play it on Hard unless you're new to the series, and even then give the Hard a shot, play it for a half an hour and see how it works out. It's really not more difficult as much as it's more fun.
MGS veterans should play the game on Hard difficulty first time through. I just finished the fight against Laughing Octopus, and all the way through the difficulty has been perfect. I even managed to beat her using tranquilizer darts, it still wasn't too tough or too easy - just right (amazingly creative boss fight btw).
I tried playing on Solid Normal as well, and from the first few scenes I could tell that the difficulty change was mostly in the way AI was working, and it was for the worse. Enemies were a lot dumber and less attentive. When they do notice you, their shots would drain your energy in about the same time as on Hard, but they were really a LOT less attentive. On Hard difficulty enemies were more or less behaving the way you'd expect normal people to. They'd hear your steps if you're too loud for example, and see you even when you're not just a few meters away from them.
Basically, play it on Hard unless you're new to the series, and even then give the Hard a shot, play it for a half an hour and see how it works out. It's really not more difficult as much as it's more fun.
SentientStone
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LaneDS said:
Sounds like Sunny's song to me too.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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So far, Tenchu Z is the better stealth/conspiracy game. Story make sense, controls only hamper the gameplay slightly.
Plus my character looks like a demented John C Reilly.
Plus my character looks like a demented John C Reilly.
Orlics said:
Apologies, elitism and pretentiousness wasn't my intention. I did not say that liking pure action games was naive and immature. I like them just fine, but they are a different genre from MGS4.
What I find to be naive and immature is those that insist that MSG4 is somehow flawed because it dares to try and tell a mature story through (sometimes long) movie-like cutscenes. In other words, just because one doesn't care for the story and would rather just shoot something, doesn't make the game that does try and tell a story "flawed".
Farnack said:
Whoa, awesome idea incoming- any of you guys played HL2: Ep. 1, Ep. 2, or Portal? Well, this game has an in game Ipod right? And there are supposed to be more Integral podcasts coming right? Well, how about developer commentary? I played all the way through all of the aforementioned games right after finishing them the first time because of developer commentary and I think it'd be a perfect fit and addition for MGS4 given all the things above. So how about it, Novery? Make it happen.
Edit: I agree with the Big Boss Hard recommendation. I played through my first time on Naked Normal and I really regretted it in the end. Not a single death the whole way through. Playing through on Big Boss Hard right now and finding it a little bit harder than I'd like for my first playthrough, but I'm going to pin that more on the fact that I'm going for (a) no continues yet again and (b) no kills than the actual difficulty. I think an MGS vet would enjoy it first time through without those restrictions.
BruceLeeRoy
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dabookerman said:
I created a lot of covers for the game specifically the US version because it just falls so short of the art
created for the game. I was thinking of making one last section to the OP a boxart one that people can
download lots of different versions. Not sure if enough people would be into it though.
Moray said:
I never got this. Sure, Bioshock was 'interactive' but mostly, you receive all the story while you play, through audio clips. There's something to be said about it's presentation, which is minimalist.
Same goes for games like HL2. Sorry, but it's fucking boring when you are FORCED to sit in an 'interactive' area and STARE at an NPC while they just look at you and talk. Presentation is fucking ace, IMO, and the way MGS4 did it in the Mission Brifings (and the occasional L1 to look or X for a flash back) is something that needs to be explored far more than the bullshit that is games like Bioshock or HL2.
Presentation is everything, IMO, just because you hear story while you're playing doesn't mean jack, IMO, especially when it's not engaging and you're just listening / watching an NPC...why not just make it a bomb ass cutscene instead?
BruceLeeRoy said:
Those are all awesome man, but they are a little small, aren't they? Do you have the PSD's? I'd love to make one @300dpi for some great printing for my own needs, so if you've got that old snake (or an extremely high res old snake scan) that I could use, that would be *amazing*.
I started the series with MGS1 in 1999. It's been my favorite series since MGS2, and I enjoyed 4 immensely. However, I do feel that it contains flaws directly related to both how it tells its story and what its story contains.jaaz said:
I don't feel that just because something is my favorite series, its above criticism. If any of the points I don't like could be addressed, it could make for a more enjoyable experience, for me, in whatever the next game Kojima Productions develops. Its fine if you don't take any issues and see any change going forward from here as a negative, but if I can respect that for you, can you respect that others really do find some legitimate problems that affect their enjoyment of the game? I think most people would agree that their problems are subjective and grow out of their own wants and interests. I know that I do.
tha_con said:
Actually, you could have turned the audio off and gleaned the sad reality of Rapture from the visuals alone. The audio recordings flesh out the experience for sure, but I think where Irrational really succeeded with Bioshock was in embedding the narrative into the visual elements.
That said, Metal Gear as a series has always utilized a much more cinematic and narrative driven approach. I can see why some people would have difficulty digesting it. There are quite a few meandering and intertwining storylines at play, many of them ultra intricate and told almost exclusively through long exposition sequences. I happed to think they are amazing, but at the same time, I find it difficult to fault someone for preferring a more straightforward, player focused approach.
Won said:
I can't watch youtube, but I assume it's a video of some NPC's talking, and GF walking around hitting shit or doing something else.
Either way, nothing about the presentation of the narrative in HL2 impressed me at all. The only thing impressive about the Narrative in HL2 is the narrative itself, which is amazing. The way it's delivered blows.
BruceLeeRoy
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tha_con said:
If you click on any of the images you can download a 300dpi tiff.
tha_con said:
I feel the same way. Just preference I guess. The youtube link for Dog vs. Strider btw. A nice scene, but like...I dunno. It's just a different type of cutscene but a cutscene nonetheless. Sure, you can move around and what have you, but you still have no control, so it's not different than a MGS cutscene or any other one.
The meaning of "a mature story" does not have anything to do with the way it is presented. It has to do with the themes it incorporates and discusses. So if I used walking dildos to tell a story about pmc's and the effect they have on the economy and society, it could still be a mature story.
I'm not saying MGS4 is mature or not, as I really don't care one way or another, but I do care that some people don't even know the definition of a mature story.
I'm not saying MGS4 is mature or not, as I really don't care one way or another, but I do care that some people don't even know the definition of a mature story.
traveler said:
The Mission Briefings in MGS4 deliver both types of narrative.
You can watch the cutscene by itself with zero interaction, or you can interact with the MKII. You are never forced to mosey around waiting and waiting with no interesting camera angles or art to keep you engaged.
In The Mission Brief, you'll see flash backs, cuts to diagrams (I guess that's how you could describe them) and other video clips that go along with the narrative. OR, if your one of those HL2 folks, you can bump into shit with the MKII and tinker around.
Personally, I only snagged up the items I needed with the MKII and then switched it to full screen with the main cutscene playing.
Shinz Kicker
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BruceLeeRoy said:
that would be super appreciated. i was really hoping that the LE edition cover was the cover on the game box but it was the cg one. so i keep that ugly fucker locked in its dungeon and switch the disc out with the bonus disc case.
Kintaro said:
Pretty much, different strokes for different folks, all that.
I really think that the delivery of Narrative in videogames needs to be more interactive, but not to the extent that it is in HL2, where total freedom is given to the player at all times. Sometimes, the intensity of given scenes simply cannot be conveyed through systems like HL2 and Bioshock. Another decent example is the end of MGS4
when you're going through the mirowave hallway
There are simply so many ways to deliver a compelling narrative, and I think a combination of multiple types it what is necessary for the medium to move foward, not just one or the other. Different scenes require different methods, and help to create a compelling yet interactive experience. Sometimes it's better to let the cutscene have more direction to maximize impact, while others, it is nice to give the player control. On certain occasions, it would be nice to get story via audio (similar to some codec convo's in MGS4 that don't take you out of the game). There are many many ways, and a combination of all of them is best, IMO.
BruceLeeRoy said:
YES YES YES. Freaking thank you. I was so dissapointed at the US coverart (coughCGcough). The first and last are my favs, although I wish the lettering on the first was in red.
EDIT: Ooo, couldn't tell the lettering was blue untill I printed it out. Me Likey.
Steroyd said:
There must be quite a few. The time of day can affect what you see as well. Last night I hit an install screen at around 2:30am and it told me to get some rest because it was late.
Edit: My bad, I thought you were talking about the messages it displays during install.
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