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Side by side comparison between the original Playstation version of Metal Gear Solid and The Twin Snakes, remake released for the Nintendo GameCube in 2004.
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Metal Gear Solid (PS1) vs. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (GameCube Remake) | Side by Side
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Side by side comparison between the original Playstation version of Metal Gear Solid and The Twin Snakes, remake released for the Nintendo GameCube in 2004.
Glass Prison
Member
Can't wait for the comparison against Blue Point's version
Kuranghi
Member
Agreed, its basically MGS 2's interactivity but with a few cuts. Using walkway/ledge hanging in the nuclear storage room makes it much more fun, for example.
Also, I love the original as well ofc but the ninja hallway scene is brilliant with the better animations/effects. Him holding the guy up on the sword is still one of favourite images from gaming.
Marcus Aurelius
Banned
The original is better.
HE1NZ
Banned
And boss battles weren't pain in the ass.
ExpandKong
Banned
The shape memory shortcut in Rex's hanger alone makes it my preferred way to play the game
Really the only thing I didn't like about it was that they didn't have Enclosure in the game at all.
Kuranghi
Member
If there IS another remake coming having the original soundtrack, at least as an option, would be a must for me. Thats the worst thing about TS definitely, the music is a bit HL2-techno-silly in parts. Still amazing though. You wouldn't know if you didnt play the original anyway.
KuraiShidosha
Member
As usual, remakes lose the original vision and end up looking bland and uninspired. This isn't even to touch on the more subjective nature of music and cinematic direction, which IMHO the remake lacks entirely.
a multicultural team of v
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Twin Snakes is an abomination on so many levels.
Honey Bunny
Member
Having grown up on the original I just don't give a damn about the remake, you cant really 'improve' on a beloved memory.
ExpandKong
Banned
Twin Snakes isn't better, just different. Like what girls with big boobs tell their friends with small boobs to make them feel better.
Kuranghi
Member
Is a big part of your dislike for it the cutscenes/their direction?
GrayFoxPL
Member
Yeah. Even at first glance the color palette, lightning(even if baked), camera angles, the mood of everything on the screen - all is absent in the remake. Like you said, bland and uninspired, like a generic PS2/Gamecube game of the 2000's.
a multicultural team of v
Member
literally everything
The voice acting is awful (Jennifer Hale is asleep 95% of the time), the changed dialog is painfully stupid ("its not a weak point, more like a weakness" "When death is entreated, the battle is decided"
), the cutscenes are idiotic, they simply don't understand the soul of the game (when Snake nods at the screen during that one cutscene it just shows they have no clue about Snake and what he represents to the player), Metal Gear Solid level design does not work even a little bit with MGS2 gameplay (and they didn't even bother trying to change anything to fix it), and the music.... holy shit the fucking music.vs
i mean jesus christ
I could probably keep going on but basically it is irredeemable. Actually I think there is like a single thing I do think was done well but I can't even remember what it is at this point lol
Matsuchezz
Member
Twin Snakes should have not been created, Silicon Knights were no technical wizards by any means, The MGS2 gameplay was added but no new level design was implemented so it was not put to good use. MGS when it was released amazed the world, MGS TS did not do anything for the franchise and I think it sold poorly on the cube.
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GrayFoxPL
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I was a huge fan of Ryuhei Kitamura back in the day when he worked with Tak Sakaguchi but when he decided that Snake should surf the rocket, Kojima and the devs should have told him that's beyond retarded.
Though the influence on crazy cutscenes can be seen in MGS 3 and beyond.
Saint Boot
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I don't know if it is a minority opinion or not, but I did not enjoy Twin Snakes at all. I don't like the changes to certain voices, the change of some actors (I miss Mei Lings Lisp and Naomi's accent.) , and the way they changed names of places (calling it Zanzibar land makes it sound like a cheap themepark attraction) and altered the way some scenes play out, like when Snake got pissed at Baker and threw a childish fit and then pointed his gun at him. It was unfunny to me and he looked like a petulant child throwing a fit because mommy took away his video games. The gameplay was ok, but I won't play it again.
Matsuchezz
Member
literally everything
The voice acting is awful (Jennifer Hale is asleep 95% of the time), the changed dialog is painfully stupid ("its not a weak point, more like a weakness" "When death is entreated, the battle is decided"
Didn't Ryuhei Kitamura worked with Kojima on the Cutscenes and those were sent to SK in Canada?
Some are really good like the whole Cyborg Ninja Scenes are awesome! and others like where snake tilt the missile when Liquid is in the HindD are damn stupid.
ExpandKong
Banned
literally everything
The voice acting is awful (Jennifer Hale is asleep 95% of the time), the changed dialog is painfully stupid ("its not a weak point, more like a weakness" "When death is entreated, the battle is decided"
vs
i mean jesus christ
I could probably keep going on but basically it is irredeemable. Actually I think there is like a single thing I do think was done well but I can't even remember what it is at this point lol
Imagine being upset about a Metal Gear Solid game breaking the 4th wall lol
I thought the music was mostly okay and I especially liked how all the bosses had unique music this time around.
I dunno, it was just fun.
They really should have done more (read: anything) to account for the gameplay advances MGS2's changes brought to the table though.
GreatnessRD
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We do not acknowledge the existence of The Twin Snakes. Keep that garbage where it belongs...
In the trash.
In the trash.
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#Phonepunk#
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Oddly I have not played Twin Snakes yet. I have a GameCube but that game is pretty hard to find and expensive.
I did try briefly on emulator but the changes voice acting left a bad taste. No way you can top the VA in the first release
I did try briefly on emulator but the changes voice acting left a bad taste. No way you can top the VA in the first release
IfuckinghateReddit
Banned
I was just about to say, isn't that game stupidly expensive now?
Though it seems like the majority of Gamecube games have risen in price in general.
a multicultural team of v
Member
That isn't the issue. Metal Gear games constantly break the 4th wall and MGS2 breaks the 4th wall so thoroughly that its own existence plays a part in it.
Snake is literally the player. Like, literally the player. That is why he is told to use action buttons and put controllers up to his arm. When he nods at the screen.... who the hell is he even nodding to? Himself? It makes no sense.
SCB3
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Unfortunately the music rights for the Original 3 games are kinda fucky due to the composer stealing parts of the song from an older composer
It's why the original MGS song stopped getting used
Saint Boot
Banned
Oh gosh. In addition to my earlier post, I forgot about all this garbage.
showernota
Member
I've only played Twin Snakes, never the original beyond the Jampack demo disc.
It was great, really got me into MGS and it's been in my top 5 game series ever since. All the knocks against it are the most neckbeardy complaints I've ever heard.
It was great, really got me into MGS and it's been in my top 5 game series ever since. All the knocks against it are the most neckbeardy complaints I've ever heard.
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Kokoloko85
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Original was way better. twin snake had some real bad cheese
ExpandKong
Banned
Absolutely undeniable improvements TTS made over original MGS1:
- Shape changing memory card shortcut
- Meryl's pronunciation of "Otacon" during the ending
- Smaller physical discs than original release
Hydelol
Banned
Twin Snakes is an abomination. Anyone who thinks it is better than the original should let themselves be checked for mental health issues.
Please, some people should watch twitch.tv/outerheaven - they've been doing Metal Gear streams for the last 8 years or more. They give so much insight on Metal Gear and it's story, background information and much more. Especially Drk's (on of the guys running it) yearly april's fools Twin Snakes run. That game is simply bad and should have never been made.
Please, some people should watch twitch.tv/outerheaven - they've been doing Metal Gear streams for the last 8 years or more. They give so much insight on Metal Gear and it's story, background information and much more. Especially Drk's (on of the guys running it) yearly april's fools Twin Snakes run. That game is simply bad and should have never been made.
SentientStone
Member
If they do another remake I hope it is faithful to the mood and atmosphere of the original, Twin Snake ruined it with the cheesy over-the-top action scenes.
a multicultural team of v
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drk's salty schtick gets old sometimes, but if someone really wants to understand exactly why Twin Snakes is so bad they should watch one of his April Fools streams.
Naked Lunch
Member
Twin Snakes is fucking trash. Period.
CorruptShadow
Member
Not a fan at all of Twin Snakes, cut scenes were trash and the addition of 1st person was way to game breaking for something never designed with it in mind. Ocelot fight for example was so easy in first person amongst other sections.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
No offense to anyone here, but Twin Snakes is a flaming pile of trash. All the atmosphere is gone & the English voice actors give an incredibly less compelling performance, to say nothing of the kung-fu matrix shit. Its cool that David Hayter was able to regroup the original cast but they simply failed to perform, with few exceptions (Cam Clarke is always Cam Clarke).
If you want a Gamecube remake of a Playstation game, I'd recommend Resident Evil.
If you want a Gamecube remake of a Playstation game, I'd recommend Resident Evil.
LarknThe4th
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They butchered the ambient masterpiece that is the originals soundtrack, the new voice recordings are lazy
On the other hand it does have better functionality but then even that's bad cause it makes the game incredibly easy
I can see why some people would prefer it but eh the original still plays well so I cant say I have much time for it
On the other hand it does have better functionality but then even that's bad cause it makes the game incredibly easy
I can see why some people would prefer it but eh the original still plays well so I cant say I have much time for it
ExpandKong
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me irl reading this thread
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namekuseijin
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16 years too late, yet another comparison between the original on weaker but pioneering hardware and the watered down remake for Wii 0.8...
why God y
why God y
Bakkus
Member
Don't forget the extreme cut in length you have to backtrack to find the sniper to fight Wolf. The original was a huge chore. You had to traverse the entire Shadow Moses get on board those trailers in box, wait for the guards to start talking and drive with the accompanying cutscene, and down to the basement with the detonating bombs in order to find it, and then travel the entire way back. In Twin Snakes, the sniper is on the same floor as Psycho Mantis' room in one of the small rooms in the big office area. Almost nothing in comparison.
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