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[BattleMonkey]

Slapping credits at the end of a cutscene does not make it an ending.

An ending has to, you know, end a narrative.

Big Boss ending is a good ending, it just is not connected to anything and is completely random in how you get to it. Yup there is no narrative that really gels it together, it's like, here's your ending without any lead up into it

 

[Roni]

4 endings, actually. You forgot the nuclear disarmament ending.

True. Didn't get that one yet though, ha. Don't think anyone did yet.

Actually, this game has 50 endings! Didn't you see the credits? if you're not satisfied by mission 9's ending, you shouldn't even be playing this game. Everything after mission 9 is a bonus, a gift.

Technically, you're not wrong.

And two of them sucked balls. The other one was mediocre at best.

Your argument does nothing to counter mine. You find the endings to be bad? Tough luck. They're still endings.

Slapping credits at the end of a cutscene does not make it an ending.

An ending has to, you know, end a narrative.

Do you even need me to turn this on you or could you do me a solid and just start explaining how any of these were any less of an ending than the final cutscene in MGS2 were nothing is explained and a bunch of exposition on meme's is thrown in my face?

 

[KingHenrik30]

So was Big Boss in the original two MG games, Venom or the true Big Boss?

MG1: Venom
MG2: Big Boss

 

[AniHawk]

so quiet activates the parasites by speaking english and it doesn't infect/kill venom snake? why?

i thought they were able to kill the strains by making the carrier infertile. what happened to that method?

 

[SJRB]

So do they explain what happened to Chico?

Nothing, he simply died in the chopper crash.

 

[AniHawk]

Nothing, he simply died in the chopper crash.

but then he got better and became the big boss you see in mgs4.

 

[A-V-B]

Do you even need me to turn this on you or could you do me a solid and just start explaining how any of these were any less of an ending than the final cutscene in MGS2 were nothing is explained and a bunch of exposition on meme's is thrown in my face?

A good ending isn't just a single cutscene. It's an entire process that starts from the beginning of the story. It's like constructing a building.

On that level... yeah, MGS2 has a better ending. Weird-ass as it is. But MGS2 itself is bizarre, so I guess you get what you get.

But MGS3 has one of the best endings ever.

 

[Zee-Row]

Nothing, he simply died in the chopper crash.

They didn't mention if he died though or I probably missed it. I just figured they would make a bigger deal out of it.

 

[Ishida]

Your argument does nothing to counter mine. You find the endings to be bad? Tough luck. They're still endings.

It was not my intention to counter whatever "argument" you wanted to make. I'm just saying it like it is. The endings sucked.

 

[A-V-B]

They didn't mention if he died though or I probably missed. I just figured they would make a bigger deal out of it.

Of course, it's Big Boss who has emotional reactions. You can brainwash Medic into having his memories, but you can't change his brain chemistry. Medic is stoic as fuck in regards to most things.

"Chico's dead."

"o ok"

 

[Blader]

so quiet activates the parasites by speaking english and it doesn't infect/kill venom snake? why?

i thought they were able to kill the strains by making the carrier infertile. what happened to that method?

The wolbachia make the parasites infertile; the host's infertility is just a side effect.

 

[Ludens]

Still 11 missions to 100% and I'll probably won't touch the SP anymore, I can do the whole game blindly by now :S

 

[AniHawk]

The wolbachia make the parasites infertile; the host's infertility is just a side effect.

so why didn't they just do that to english strain carriers?

 

[Roni]

A good ending isn't just a single cutscene. It's an entire process that starts from the beginning of the story. It's like constructing a building.

On that level... yeah, MGS2 has a better ending. Weird-ass as it is. But MGS2 itself is bizarre, so I guess you get what you get.

But MGS3 has one of the best endings ever.

I agree MGS3's ending is on another level because it manages to not only be long, but to keep it interesting throughout. MGS1's is very similar, albeit shorter and more focused. So those get props.

It was not my intention to counter whatever "argument" you wanted to make. I'm just saying it like it is. The endings sucked.

Well, never mind then. I refuse to discuss whether something is "good" or "bad" in someone else's mind. That wholly subjective.

 

[SliChillax]

So after doing the 31 missions and lot's of side ops... there's even more? Ugh this drags on for too long.

 

[aspaceman55]

They didn't mention if he died though or I probably missed it. I just figured they would make a bigger deal out of it.

It's in one of the tapes you get very early on after getting out of the hospital. It's a real shame he died though. I felt like Kojima was going to actually try to address torture and its implications on a child. Instead they just throw him away like used garbage.

"FEEL THE PAIN OF THIS POOR CHILD. LOOK AT THE HORRORS OF WAR. Or don't, he just died and no one spoke of or remembered him again. Oops."

Chico's naive patriotism and excitement for revolution and war were something I really wanted to see get crushed and destroyed. But instead, we got another hastily used character tossed aside when they're no longer needed (Pax, Grey Fox, etc).

 

[KarasuEXE]

They didn't mention if he died though or I probably missed it. I just figured they would make a bigger deal out of it.

It's on the tapes.

 

[Neiteio]

so why didn't they just do that to english strain carriers?

Code Talker says Quiet refused Wolbachia treatment because part of her still wanted revenge. It's a weak excuse, but unless I'm missing something, that's it.

Personally, if she was on my base, tied to a chair, and I suspected she could kill all English speakers just by talking too much, I'd give her a shot of that stuff Ocelot used to knock her out when she went crazy and knifed the guy in the teeth. Then I'd pry open those sweet, sweet lips and give her some Wolbachia loving, and hope that Huey doesn't row back in his boat and mutate them with his beta-ray goggles.

(I love this zany game)

 

[Roni]

Code Talker says Quiet refused Wolbachia treatment because part of her still wanted revenge. It's a weak excuse, but unless I'm missing something, that's it.

Personally, if she was on my base, tied to a chair, and I suspected she could kill all English speakers just by talking too much, I'd give her a shot of that stuff Ocelot used to knock her out when she went crazy and knifed the guy in the teeth. Then I'd pry open those sweet, sweet lips and give her some Wolbachia loving, and hope that Huey doesn't row back in his boat and mutate them with his beta-ray goggles.

(I love this zany game)

Wouldn't she die if the Wolbachia got on her? I mean, she's got parasites keeping her alive. If those stop reproducing, her bodily ecosystem would vanish and she would slowly die, right?

 

[Zee-Row]

It's on the tapes.

I'm gonna have to listen again. I listen to most of the tapes while waiting for operations to finish or making weapons.

 

[Plasma]

I'm gonna have to listen again. I listen to most of the tapes while waiting for operations to finish or making weapons.

It's easy to miss if you aren't paying attention I can't remember what tape it's on but it's just a throwaway line saying he didn't make it.

 

[Neiteio]

Wouldn't she die if the Wolbachia got on her? I mean, she's got parasites keeping her alive. If those stop reproducing, her bodily ecosystem would vanish and she would slowly die, right?

Maybe. That'd be an interesting reason. I can't recall if the game explicitly said anything to that effect, though.

Quiet has an interesting situation. Her vital functions are maintained by one group of parasites. She's given special powers (superhuman speed, resilient skin, optical camouflage) by a second group of parasites. And she's a carrier for a third group of parasites: the English-language strain of the vocal cord parasites.

Normally, once activated, the English-language strain would copulate in her throat, the larvae consuming her lungs as a result. This would kill her. However, her lungs are no longer functional, and she doesn't need them to survive. In theory, the larvae could eat whatever is left of her lungs and it wouldn't kill her.

After a period of time, though, she would be a walking bioweapon. She hightailed it out of there before she could infect anyone, but the question remains: Is she still out there in the desert? Will she put a bullet to her brain or succumb to dehydration, or will she survive and simply avoid civilization?

 

[Reebot]

Well, never mind then. I refuse to discuss whether something is "good" or "bad" in someone else's mind. That wholly subjective.

Probably shouldn't go on a discussion board then.

 

[Roni]

Probably shouldn't go on a discussion board then.

You seem to have a pretty warped vision of a discussion.

 

[Reebot]

You seem to have a pretty warped vision of a discussion.

Sorry, that's your wholly subjective opinion.

 

[Roni]

Sorry, that's your wholly subjective opinion.

And that's how you prove my point...

 

[Reebot]

And that's how you prove my point...

Lol. Ok guys, only objective facts in here.

MGS V was released on September 1, 2015. I have no opinion to offer on this matter.

 

[SJRB]

Get a room, you two.

 

[Roni]

Get a room, you two.

Sorry.

 

[Reebot]

Get a room, you two.

Sorry mate, that sounds an awful lot like an opinion.

 

[brau]

So do they explain what happened to Chico?

He died in the chopper crash.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

He died in the chopper crash.

yeah but at least he had his sweet headphone jack in his chest for the final bit of his life.

which of course is never really explained ever though we do get like +30 fucking minutes of tapes on WOLBACHIA

 

[Roni]

yeah but at least he had his sweet headphone jack in his chest for the final bit of his life.

which of course is never really explained ever though we do get like +30 fucking minutes of tapes on WOLBACHIA

I don't know that Chico would be the kind of character to record a tape explaining his own motivations. And that would be the only way we'd get information on that situation.

 

[brau]

yeah but at least he had his sweet headphone jack in his chest for the final bit of his life.

which of course is never really explained ever though we do get like +30 fucking minutes of tapes on WOLBACHIA

I thought we got some good insight as to who Chico is during GZ.

Also.. i am one that chuckled when i heard the news on a tape that Chico did die. Even Amanda i think dismissed the fact that he died haha.

Oh Chico. We await your resurrection as a pachinko machine.

 

[BattleMonkey]

The wolbachia make the parasites infertile; the host's infertility is just a side effect.

So her speaking to Boss was never a threat? Why was it such a hard choice for her to even speak then?

 

[Verder]

its funny how after Quiet leaves in mission 45 her pictures are missing in the ACC.

Spoiler

i want her back :/

 

[Neiteio]

its funny how after Quiet leaves in mission 45 her pictures are missing in the ACC.

Spoiler

i want her back :/

Rain feels so empty now without Quiet sponging up the water with her boobs

Her waifu power has almost made me forget she's a psycho murderer

 

[Spring-Loaded]

So her speaking to Boss was never a threat? Why was it such a hard choice for her to even speak then?

Wasn't the Wolbachia tuned to just the Kikongo strain?

 

[Moon_frogger]

I don't know why but I never expected this game to be some shocking 'missing link' or 'big bosses dramatic downfall'. I mean, I watched all the trailers but I never really expected it to end with big boss being some jerk sitting around in outer heaven. I'm so glad I didn't have these expectations because the story we got was so much more interesting and subtle then a straight lead into MG1. Maybe it's just me. I'm still left unsatisfied by the obvious unfinished nature of the game but Overall as a standalone story I'm in love with it. I'm sure the usual offenders in this thread will now give me a written thrashing and tell me how I'm objectively wrong about everything and blinded by my kojima fanboyness.

 

[brau]

its funny how after Quiet leaves in mission 45 her pictures are missing in the ACC.

Spoiler

i want her back :/

Yea.. tons of photos missing in the ACC after you are done with the game.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I don't know why but I never expected this game to be some shocking 'missing link' or 'big bosses dramatic downfall'. I mean, I watched all the trailers but I never really expected it to end with big boss being some jerk sitting around in outer heaven. I'm so glad I didn't have these expectations because the story we got was so much more interesting and subtle then a straight lead into MG1. Maybe it's just me. I'm still left unsatisfied by the obvious unfinished nature of the game but Overall as a standalone story I'm in love with it. I'm sure the usual offenders in this thread will now give me a written thrashing and tell me how I'm objectively wrong about everything and blinded by my kojima fanboyness.

I mean, you COULD elaborate on what you thought was so great about it instead of preemptively attacking people who might disagree with you.

For starters though, there's a difference between "subtle" and "empty" that I think some people are confused about when it comes to the story.

 

[Neiteio]

So her speaking to Boss was never a threat? Why was it such a hard choice for her to even speak then?

She becomes an active bioweapon once the parasites take effect. She can never safely go near civilization again.

 

[Neiteio]

I don't know why but I never expected this game to be some shocking 'missing link' or 'big bosses dramatic downfall'. I mean, I watched all the trailers but I never really expected it to end with big boss being some jerk sitting around in outer heaven. I'm so glad I didn't have these expectations because the story we got was so much more interesting and subtle then a straight lead into MG1. Maybe it's just me. I'm still left unsatisfied by the obvious unfinished nature of the game but Overall as a standalone story I'm in love with it. I'm sure the usual offenders in this thread will now give me a written thrashing and tell me how I'm objectively wrong about everything and blinded by my kojima fanboyness.

I agree it's a good story, with all of the beats necessary, and a certain nuance to it that makes it interesting. But no need to be upset if there are people who don't feel the same way. Just embrace the subjective nature of this discussion and treat it as an insight into the way each person relates with the franchise.

 

[Roni]

I mean, you COULD elaborate on what you thought was so great about it instead of preemptively attacking people who might disagree with you.

Are you for real dude?

Unless you're the sort of easily entertained chump who's wowed by things like "oh gee Big Boss was me look my name is in the game!"

 

[Ashura_MX]

I don't know why but I never expected this game to be some shocking 'missing link' or 'big bosses dramatic downfall'. I mean, I watched all the trailers but I never really expected it to end with big boss being some jerk sitting around in outer heaven. I'm so glad I didn't have these expectations because the story we got was so much more interesting and subtle then a straight lead into MG1. Maybe it's just me. I'm still left unsatisfied by the obvious unfinished nature of the game but Overall as a standalone story I'm in love with it. I'm sure the usual offenders in this thread will now give me a written thrashing and tell me how I'm objectively wrong about everything and blinded by my kojima fanboyness.

lol such a lust for (objectively) bending over

 

[Verder]

did kojima not include Hayters voice knowing that we wouldn't be playing as Big Boss?

if so he is one smart ass man.

 

[brau]

I mean, you COULD elaborate on what you thought was so great about it instead of preemptively attacking people who might disagree with you.

For starters though, there's a difference between "subtle" and "empty" that I think some people are confused about when it comes to the story.

another key word is unfinished.

 

[Vampirolol]

I don't know why but I never expected this game to be some shocking 'missing link' or 'big bosses dramatic downfall'. I mean, I watched all the trailers but I never really expected it to end with big boss being some jerk sitting around in outer heaven. I'm so glad I didn't have these expectations because the story we got was so much more interesting and subtle then a straight lead into MG1. Maybe it's just me. I'm still left unsatisfied by the obvious unfinished nature of the game but Overall as a standalone story I'm in love with it. I'm sure the usual offenders in this thread will now give me a written thrashing and tell me how I'm objectively wrong about everything and blinded by my kojima fanboyness.

We are the same person.

 

[Neiteio]

The infighting in this thread is starting to remind me of the low morale scene. C'mon, guys, do I need to force one of you to stab me to remind you we're all family?

Let's think happy thoughts. Rainy boobs and Pax Hamburgana.

 

[brau]

The infighting in this thread is starting to remind me of the low morale scene. C'mon, guys, do I need to force one of you to stab me to remind you we're all family?

Let's think happy thoughts. Rainy boobs and Pax Hamburgana.

Alright.

I am really happy that the game lets you do all the cool bits. Nothing is really scripted (Except for the obvious prologue and mission 43) but most missions just happen organically. I think you being able to adapt to any situation based on your play style is amazing, and not many games allow you to do that in such a way.

I do think that the game needs to engage you more than you should engage it for it to be interesting.