akidnamededdy
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Yeah and the game's director cut nearly every trailer himself.
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Metal Gear Solid V SPOILER THREAD| [EXTR3ME] Such a lust for conclusion, T-WHHOOOO
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Yeah and the game's director cut nearly every trailer himself.
Inferno313
Banned
Hands of Stone
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I hope he's on PC.
So someone on reddit found out that on Skullface's chopper when you confront him in Mission 30, it shows numbers that are a chemical ID for Acetophenazine (A antipsychotic drug) above "XOF" followed by a camera effect mimicing a moment in Fight Club.
Considering the fact Skullface's chopper has a Diamond Dogs Pilot, and the containers all marked with a Diamond Dogs logo only in that area, the mystery continues to deepen.
This is on top of the allusions of the game (And launch trailer putting Skullface's head on venom) attempting to draw Parallels between Venom and Skullface.
Looking at the structure of chemicals and compounds and all that just makes me realize Motherbase was designed after chemicals, it makes me want to know if there is a structure out there that fits Motherbase's layout and what it would be if there was.
Considering the fact Skullface's chopper has a Diamond Dogs Pilot, and the containers all marked with a Diamond Dogs logo only in that area, the mystery continues to deepen.
This is on top of the allusions of the game (And launch trailer putting Skullface's head on venom) attempting to draw Parallels between Venom and Skullface.
Looking at the structure of chemicals and compounds and all that just makes me realize Motherbase was designed after chemicals, it makes me want to know if there is a structure out there that fits Motherbase's layout and what it would be if there was.
#NeverBeGameOver what a thrill
That was the worst shot in the entire game. Was that zoom in on the hand really necessary?
He went full Jim Henson on her.
omg so i just killed her once in the repeating hardcore mission. Is she away forever doenst matter what you do or can you still play her?
Berserker976
Member
Once you've done mission 45 she's gone permanently, unless you're playing the PC version.
So I just finished this and I loved it. I avoided most pre-release marketing and tried my best to avoid discussion post-release but I did hear that people were getting more negative on it. That's a shame, I loved it all the way through. I really liked the story too, even if there was odd pacing. The twist and ending were really damn cool. It is a shame that 51 was cut, but I'll live.
tbh everything after MGS3 and before MG1 really didn't need to be told, so this is just icing on the cake.
I assume by now there are some good fan-reviews/analysis/discussion type stuff out there. Anyone want to share what they think is worth checking out?
edit: Also why do people keep talking about chapter 3? the game didn't end on a cliff hanger.
tbh everything after MGS3 and before MG1 really didn't need to be told, so this is just icing on the cake.
I assume by now there are some good fan-reviews/analysis/discussion type stuff out there. Anyone want to share what they think is worth checking out?
edit: Also why do people keep talking about chapter 3? the game didn't end on a cliff hanger.
Apparently a title card for Chapter 3 was found in the PC version
Berserker976
Member
Personally, I'm partial to Super BunnyHop's analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO4Tusk_V2k
People keep talking about Chapter 3 because a Chapter 3 title card exists within the game files, and MGSV is a glaringly incomplete game.
akidnamededdy
Banned
What cake?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Not necessarily good or bad. It's a twist, a story telling device. It reframed the journey we've taken in an interesting way. Lot's of stories do exactly what you describe in the exact same way you describe.
Haha! No argument here! Maybe... maybe that's the point then?
*INCEPTION HORN*
My opinion? I didn't know you cared.
More Metal Gear? I like Metal Gear. This was a good game and I enjoyed it.
It was icing on an empty cake box.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That reads well but I think you may have fluffed the analogy for the sake of a quick win
Berserker976
Member
Now, let's be fair, it wasn't an empty cake box. It had a few scattered bits of weird looking, unsatisfying cake.
Then some people in this thread grabbed those pieces and mashed them together, claiming: "Look guys! It was a dinosaur cake all along!"
And then the reasonable among us replied: "It obviously wasn't meant to be a dinosaur cake, you're just shoving a bunch of pieces together to try to get it to resemble that."
Only to be met with: "Look, this piece right here looks exactly like a dinosaur head, why would this piece look exactly like a dinosaur head if the cake wasn't meant to be a dinosaur?"
And then we'd get sucked into an argument over whether one piece of the cake did or did not resemble a dinosaur head, completely taking the focus off of the real issue: the box contained a few bits and pieces of poor quality cake.
Man, that one really got away from me.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, where are they when you need them?
Stereogatari
Banned
So someone on reddit found out that on Skullface's chopper when you confront him in Mission 30, it shows numbers that are a chemical ID for Acetophenazine (A antipsychotic drug) above "XOF" followed by a camera effect mimicing a moment in Fight Club.
Considering the fact Skullface's chopper has a Diamond Dogs Pilot, and the containers all marked with a Diamond Dogs logo only in that area, the mystery continues to deepen.
This is on top of the allusions of the game (And launch trailer putting Skullface's head on venom) attempting to draw Parallels between Venom and Skullface.
Looking at the structure of chemicals and compounds and all that just makes me realize Motherbase was designed after chemicals, it makes me want to know if there is a structure out there that fits Motherbase's layout and what it would be if there was.
Yup. The Big Shell. Lol.
The Skull Face stuff is intriguing. Throughout the game I thought he might be Big Boss' evil side (back when I thought Venom was the real Big Boss).
He hasn't done a great job. You could throw a rock into a room of writers and you would hit someone that would do a better job at writing the MGS games after 3.
Unknown One
Member
Found this on Reddit
https://youtu.be/csmVOekvW4k
https://youtu.be/csmVOekvW4k
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
3 Scientists Win Nobel Prize in Medicine for Parasite-Fighting Therapies
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/s...n-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Wolbachia is real.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/s...n-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Wolbachia is real.
StopMakingSense
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DeVeAn
Member
I disagree. I enjoy the goofy nonsense. It's what make metal gear, metal gear.
I asked, didn't I?
thequickandthedead
Member
Wait why does Big Boss have a Diamond Dogs logo on his leather jacket if he's going on to build Outer Heaven?
The Dear Leader
Banned
Spoiler thread but nevertheless, anyone know a good LP of MGS 5?
MGScanlon V on Giant Bomb is good if you don't care about a full in depth playthrough.
Two Best Friends Play has a pretty in depth Let's Play going on.
And Stephanie Joosten (Quiet) is a doing a let's play too on her twitch channel.
All of which are really entertaining in their own ways.
Agreed generally. However I felt the story was still good on the whole - it was just very flawed and truncated. What was there was still great imo, it just suffered from... the phantom limbs of a story. I mean, was that intentional? Clearly not re Ep 51 etc, but maybe it was intentional more generally - the fans are never going to be satisfied with a story resolution (he already did it with MGS4), so Kojima gives them the ultimate Phantom Pain.
I still thought it was good, but you and others are totally free to disagree. There were a few heinous aspects in there, but for me the positives outshone the negatives.
(Don't want to derail - but Joel doesn't change. In the first instance he's a parent who'll do anything for his child (will sacrifice anything). At the end of the game he's a parent who'll do anything for his child (will sacrifice anything indeed, the human race) It's a through-and-through character study of one man who only has one priority in life, and that never changes in the end.
There's an argument in narrative theory/criticism that there are only two stories in the world: somebody changes, or somebody doesn't change. You can frame that in basically any plot or context anywhere. Obviously it's a generalisation.)
I didn't mean to imply anything in that post, but OK. Perhaps I have said that before. Didn't mean to in this context - I agree with you.
I agree with this.
I don't agree with this. It's deeply flawed, but I wouldn't call it top-to-bottom bad. There are plenty of good ideas and some fantastic moments which are up there with the series' best. I think all the tapes are gold, too, I love them all. Infinitely better than CODECs imo.
Agreed. Imagine if all of TPP was of that quality.
This is a bit weird yeah - I think it's basically because that outfit is like Venom's version, so it has your base emblem on it.
MGS2 felt like an evolution of MGS narrative/storytelling
MGS4 felt like a fucking pile of shit I never wanted to play again, bar the highlight of Shadow Moses and the tunnel crawl. It felt like a sick parody of MGS, a corruption of what really made the series good, like a supreme overindulgence. Gorged itself on its story so much it was just an amorphous lump of rancid meat.
Absolutely awful game - ironically with some of the best gameplay ever. The narrative and pacing absolutely ruined it and flew directly in the face of MGS1-3. I would choose the MGSV approach over the MGS4 approach until the end of time, even if it means we get a shit narrative.
Exactly!
Exactly!
I'm fully on board with MGSV fluffing its story in many ways - however I don't think the 'Missing Link' stuff is really relevant. Plenty of media throughout history has mismarketed itself, and even done so far worse.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah. Pretty much the same as before.
I liked it a lot.
That isnt to say it is the best plot in the history of video games evaz!11!1, my favourite story in a video game, or even the series, but it certainly wasn't as bad as everyone lead me to believe.
There is very much a beginning, middle and end, I'm not sure why people thought there wasn't. Actually, that's a lie. I think it has to do with the way the game unravels itself.
Amongst the very valid concerns, I get the sense that a lot of the more nonsensical complaints are part of the inevitable hype backlash with big name games, and in some cases due to the perception that the twist nullifies all the players hard work. Regarding the latter: I dont think it does, I think the twist actually celebrates your hard work throughout the series. I really liked it. The twist is part dumb American Soap Opera ploy, part clever post-modernist revision, and 100% Kojima (he gives us what we ask for, never what we want). The implications it has for the series are really interesting and I say that even as a bonafide MGS lore junky.
The game definitely lost momentum around the end of Chapter 1. For a little while I felt it could've ended there (even though it would've been pretty unsatisfying) but then Chapter 2 turned out much more interesting for me. It totally grabbed me, even though I found the pacing suffered a bit.
Tying in with how the game unravels, I think Kojima putting the pacing in the hands of the player the way he did was a brave if ultimately unsuccessful experiment.
Story-wise, the team turning on each other over the course of Chapter 2 was the high point. It's never really been explored in MGS before and I found it to be the most interesting and satisfying strand. I particularly loved how the whole Huey thing turned out. You could see the veil being pulled back on his character, even without the tapes.
Skull Faces presence still being felt after his death was also really well played and very topical, though I thought his actual plan was a little too convoluted for my tastes. Plus we were robbed of another potentially great boss fight . although part of me thinks that could well have been the point.
The heavy reliance on tapes was a mixed bag for me: disappointing that so much of the plot was relegated there, but at the same time some of those tapes have the best writing in the entire series in my opinion (Skull Face/Code Talker Tape 2, anything with Zero in it etc.).
My biggest issue overall is that there werent many character moments. The story is pretty much all plot. With Kojima going Show, dont tell with regards to character motivations (no big, emotional monologues), we learn some stuff about the characters through their actions, but I dont think he quite managed to pull it off. Still, I appreciate the attempt.
Oh, and Mission 43 is one of the very best moments in the entire series, but I guess that's gameplay related.
TL;DR Its way better than MGS4.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
My order:
1. Mgs 3
2. Mgs 1
3. Mgs v
4. Mgs 2
5. Mgs 4
What's sad to me is how Solid never got to shine post MGS:
- Mgs 2 was Raiden.
-The best mgs , snake eater, was all about big boss.
- Mgs 4 you're dying and you have a dumb looking mustache instead of the man beard Big Boss has
- solid snake is barely mentioned in TPP
Mgs V ending just fizzles out, the whole time I thought there would be an awesome boss fight or something. The multiple credits didn't help either
1. Mgs 3
2. Mgs 1
3. Mgs v
4. Mgs 2
5. Mgs 4
What's sad to me is how Solid never got to shine post MGS:
- Mgs 2 was Raiden.
-The best mgs , snake eater, was all about big boss.
- Mgs 4 you're dying and you have a dumb looking mustache instead of the man beard Big Boss has
- solid snake is barely mentioned in TPP
Mgs V ending just fizzles out, the whole time I thought there would be an awesome boss fight or something. The multiple credits didn't help either
Or you could permanently injure one of them writers by hitting them in the head with said rock.
Or you could permanently injure one of them writers by hitting them in the head with said rock.
After which they'd be physically and mentally damaged enough to be transformed into a duplicate of Kojima via hypnosis and surgery; and continue to write the rest of the series under his name. It's already happened once, with Fukushima - we can only pray he recovers some part of his true self before it's too late.
funkystudent
Member
I wonder how bad act 2 is for people who killed Quiet after her introduction sniper duel.
Ordinaryundone
Member
MGS2 was all about making Solid Snake look like a magnificent golden man-god, it put him on a massive pedestal throughout the game. You just didn't get to play as him. And while I get why people don't like it (and its probably very much intentional that they feel that way) I like Old Snake.
Plus there are always the MSX games, the AC!D games, and Ghost Babel. I'd say Solid got his moment to shine, but it's very obvious that as the series progresses Big Boss became Kojima's pet character and it does reflect on how the series developed.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I like Old Snake a lot, fruity moustache and all, I just hate the game.
Yeah, baby. Especially that last thought.
The way I see it, Chapter 1 is like a shorter-than-usual typical MGS game. Chapter 2 is like a follow-up miniseries, giving some added value and tying off a few loose ends (plus awesome twist).
My list:
1. MGSV = MGS3
2. MGS2
3. MGS1
4. MGS
W (in fairness, I never finished it, I did like it though)>>>>>>>
5. MGS4
And heck, if I looked at sheer adventure and 'stealth game' infiltration qualtiy, MGSV beats out MGS3. But only just. MGS3's cutscenes still don't help it.
All wonderful games, though. Only MGS4 left me salty, but even then I couldn't deny how good it was.
CryTeknik_
Neo Member
Just finished Episode 46 and listen to all the TRHTH tapes. OMG. I'm so confused:
1. Why Zero wanted to hide BB and Venom in a safe place? Were they not enemies eventually?
2. Kaz rejected BB at the end right? I assume that after many years he trained Solid in order to kill BB?
3. BB was building Zanzibar land (the real outer heaven) while Venom leaded Outer Heaven ?
1. Why Zero wanted to hide BB and Venom in a safe place? Were they not enemies eventually?
2. Kaz rejected BB at the end right? I assume that after many years he trained Solid in order to kill BB?
3. BB was building Zanzibar land (the real outer heaven) while Venom leaded Outer Heaven ?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
No such thing as absolute enemies. Think of their relationship as Magneto/Xavier; Ideological enemies but still deep down under that old friends.
He would take part in training him but so would BB when both are in Foxhound. I don't think it was specifically to kill BB, but he certainly says that he wants the LET kids to be "stronger". Maybe that's what that means, I dunno.
I think the ending said that BB was off to build the first Outer Heaven, suggesting that he later hands over control to Venom at some point.
Yeah, baby. Especially that last thought.
The way I see it, Chapter 1 is like a shorter-than-usual typical MGS game. Chapter 2 is like a follow-up miniseries, giving some added value and tying off a few loose ends (plus awesome twist).
My list:
1. MGSV = MGS3
2. MGS2
3. MGS1
4. MGS
>>>>>>>
5. MGS4
And heck, if I looked at sheer adventure and 'stealth game' infiltration qualtiy, MGSV beats out MGS3. But only just. MGS3's cutscenes still don't help it.
All wonderful games, though. Only MGS4 left me salty, but even then I couldn't deny how good it was.
You are good people.
CryTeknik_
Neo Member
Thank you!