Doomtrain
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No it's not.
Metroid Prime 4: Beyond, overview trailer (Switch 2)
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Robb
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Having 3 large areas with intricate and thoughtful level design is way better than just having >3 linear areas that look different, imo. The map design is one of the best aspects of these titles.
I love unlocking stuff like the spider-ball and finding out that they've actually designed an entire rail system and puzzles back in a prior area. Every item having a purpose in every location and finding new pathways that leads into other locations and how it all just ties together is great.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
HYDE
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This and Kid Icarus: Uprising
fallingdove
Member
Again, you are comparing a 10th gen console (the Switch 2) with a 7th gen console that came out 20 years ago. If the Switch 2 wasn't able to deliver resolution and frame rate improvements for similar looking games, it would be absolutely pathetic. The fact that the character models, textures, and geometry in MP4 are being compared to Halo 4 (a 13year old 7th gen game) is even kind of sad.
Cyberpunk doesn't have much to do with any of this. Getting a 9th gen game to run on a 10th gen console is cool I guess but MP4 isn't even close to the same tier of graphical/technical achievement. It has an empty desert hub with some of the weakest sand effects we've seen, (I think Uncharted 3 was doing more impressive stuff), and hub-connected biomes are narrowish corridors with modern shaders and basic geometry. Given the game runs on Switch, it's not a stretch to think 4k/120 would be a minimum requirement.
Mister Wolf
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Any game designed around native 4K running at 60fps on Switch 2 will not be far off from this game. The fact that this is the only example of a native 4K 60fps Switch 2 game even when accounting for the upgraded Switch 1 ports is telling in itself. Donkey Kong Bananza is 1080p for a reason. What would Donkey Kong have had to sacrifice to run at 4 times the resolution.
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fallingdove
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You're not helping your cause. The texture work in Halo 4 is superior to that of MP4. Unless the alien race that inhabited the world took the time to paint the flat leaves, cracks and vines and on the pavement.I think many people have forgotten how Halo 4 and 5 looked on xbox consoles.
Halo 4 on Xbox 360 (720p/30fps)
Halo 5 on Xbox One and Xbox one X
Halo Infinite on Xbox Series S
MP4 on Switch 2
Where is Myles to give us the history of these ruin paintings when you need him?
JusticeForAll
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I loved the metroid prime games, but this one just looks mediocre. First the bike in vast empty fields now sidekicks... I hope it turns out I'm wrong.
At the initial reveal of DK Bananza I was also kinda disappointed, but I ended loving the game, so let's see.
I'm kinda disappointed that next to this, the only other nintendo exclusive for switch 2 before the end of the year is another race game but with Kirby, when the console launched with Mario Kart. I don't understand the reasoning behind it. I even owned a Gamecube back in the day and I never heard about the first Air riders game.
At the initial reveal of DK Bananza I was also kinda disappointed, but I ended loving the game, so let's see.
I'm kinda disappointed that next to this, the only other nintendo exclusive for switch 2 before the end of the year is another race game but with Kirby, when the console launched with Mario Kart. I don't understand the reasoning behind it. I even owned a Gamecube back in the day and I never heard about the first Air riders game.
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LordOcidax
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On the 360 hardware? Are you sure about that?You're not helping your cause. The texture work in Halo 4 is superior to that of MP4. Unless the alien race that inhabited the world took the time to paint the flat leaves, cracks and vines and on the pavement.
Where is Myles to give us the history of these ruin paintings when you need him?
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Metroid is probably my favorite series overall
Prime 1 especially is one of my top 3 games ever. Also loved Prime 2, Prime 3 was a good game but dropped a lot of Metroid feeling
Sadly this game seems to follow Prime 3 more than 1. I guess we will see - I am actually not that opposed to the talking part. What I disliked the most was the escort shit. You even got a game over when that guy died!
That is NOT Metroid. It is the opposite
Prime 1 especially is one of my top 3 games ever. Also loved Prime 2, Prime 3 was a good game but dropped a lot of Metroid feeling
Sadly this game seems to follow Prime 3 more than 1. I guess we will see - I am actually not that opposed to the talking part. What I disliked the most was the escort shit. You even got a game over when that guy died!
That is NOT Metroid. It is the opposite
DreamcastSkies
Gold Member
I am interested in the potential of a galactic federation trooper spin off. I know there was a middling one on the 3DS but Retro has demonstrated some real drive to explore the world of Metroid and the galactic federation in ways we haven't seen before. Yeah, it's not working for everyone, but in the form of a spin off game, I would really be interested in exploring the GF more.
oh yes another remastered Nintendo won't give us that I want real bad
fallingdove
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Yes. And the game is 13 years old,On the 360 hardware? Are you sure about that?
Ironically, if you look anywhere in your screenshot outside of the the one section directly in front of Samus, you see these sort of low quality assets:
balls of snow
Member
Yeah this and Yotei. Doesnt matter if its 4k 60 fps if the textures are like early ps4 era. Nintendo would never do this but maybe have a high res texture pack for NS2 edition would be nice.
Either you were trolling or blinded because no human was stupid enough to make that kind of statement. This is how those Halo games look. Halo 4, 5, and Infinite.You're not helping your cause. The texture work in Halo 4 is superior to that of MP4. Unless the alien race that inhabited the world took the time to paint the flat leaves, cracks and vines and on the pavement.
Where is Myles to give us the history of these ruin paintings when you need him?
Feel Like I'm On 42
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Mind blowing that Metroids OWN developers don't know how un-Metroid this bullshit is.
We are living in the corporate gaming hellscape for real and Nintendo has gone all in on it at the worst time, right when Switch2 is in its first year.
How many bad decisions, greedy decisions, messed up franchise etc are we going to see during Switch 2's life?
Sure, the game will still be good and still have stretches where it'll be a true Metroid Prime game but that doesn't mean it will be worse than it should be and irrevokably damaged by the hand holding and onmbnoxious characters and dialog. Image replaying the game and every time you have to slow through unnecessary dialog and cutscenes ...replay value will be damaged as well
This feels like Atreus in GoW Ragnarok all over again
Feel Like I'm On 42
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The Switch 2 has been very disappointing graphically with every Nintendo first party game so far. MP4 is not going to be an exceptions. The visuals have been underwhelming for a MP game since the reveal. This is a franchise known for its awesome visuals and while it looks 'nice' it doesn't have that wow factor it should have.
_Ex_
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Maybe we'll get lucky and Nintendo will roll this same kind of "humor" and "market research indicates the player is an idiot" hand-holding into the next Mario and Zelda.
"Um Link, uh, can you shoot that block over there? Yeah the green one. No! No! Don't hit me with your arrow, hit the block!"
fallingdove
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How dumb do you have to be to use a Halo Infinite screenshot atop a mountain looking down into a valley as an example of poor textures.Either you were trolling or blinded because no human was stupid enough to make that kind of statement. This is how those Halo games look. Halo 4, 5, and Infinite.
At any rate, the Halo 4/5 textures are much more cohesive than whatever this shit is:
That masterful red/green smear. The flat copy/pasted leaves glued to the side of the rock.
Just because a texture is high resolution doesn't mean that it is good.
That last image has to be the laziest texture I have seen in a long time. Are those shadows? Why would pavement wave and warp like that? The way that alien race use play dough-style machines to construct their architecture is stunning. Then, incredibly enough, the DOF goes full N64.
Keep carrying water for Nintendo though. You are doing them a great service.
The awful NPC stuff is rightly drawing a lot of attention from the recent previews, but something else which is really killing my enthusiasm for the game is how tight, unvaried and unnatural the environments look. The opening area (after the spaceship intro) of Metroid Prime was also a tropical forest/jungle environment, yet each of its 'rooms' came in different shapes, had multiple entrances, exits and alternative paths to explore, and design details like interesting geometry (an overgrown stone half-pipe which would be useful later in the game, as well as hinting at a lost civilisation) and details like streams cutting through the ground which made the environment feel more natural and less designed. By contrast, the Fury Green area of MP4 mostly consists of narrow corridors, many of which look incredibly similar to one another, with little variation in shape or visible opportunities to go off the intended path (even it doesn't yield anything at that point). The art design has a very artificial look compared to the original MP and it feels very closed-in and lacking variation in how you navigate each room. As bad as the incessant quipping and escort mission is, the design and gameplay also look incredibly flat right now.
Dude, you claimed Halo 4 has better graphics than MP4 despite it being the opposite, and now you're focusing on texture details of MP4, which is still better than Halo 4 and 5.How dumb do you have to be to use a Halo Infinite screenshot atop a mountain looking down into a valley as an example of poor textures.
At any rate, the Halo 4/5 textures are much more cohesive than whatever this shit is:
That masterful red/green smear. The flat copy/pasted leaves glued to the side of the rock.
Just because a texture is high resolution doesn't mean that it is good.
That last image has to be the laziest texture I have seen in a long time. Are those shadows? Why would pavement wave and warp like that? The way that alien race use play dough-style machines to construct their architecture is stunning. Then, incredibly enough, the DOF goes full N64.
Keep carrying water for Nintendo though. You are doing them a great service.
You keep downplaying the importance of high resolution and IQ impact on overall graphical qualities, especially on a portable system like Switch.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Who is this idiot?I have a really bad feeling about this.
fallingdove
Member
Go back and read. I referenced textures in every Halo 4 comparison I made though there is probably an argument to be made about the character models, effects and overall geometry.Dude, you claimed Halo 4 has better graphics than MP4 despite it being the opposite, and now you're focusing on texture details of MP4, which is still better than Halo 4 and 5.
You keep downplaying the importance of high resolution and IQ impact on overall graphical qualities, especially on a portable system like Switch.
Of course the resolution and frame rate is going to be better - the 360 is 20 years old. MP4 is 7th gen tech (Switch) running on a 10th gen console (Switch 2). You don't think Halo 4 would run at 4k/120 on the Ally?
And you can't be absurd enough to think that MP4 is on the same level as Doom TDA and Halo Infinite... Maybe Borderlands 4, but I think that game looks incredibly average as well; even when you cut it some slack for being an open world.
Mister Wolf
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Mozza
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Well if you look at this objectively, MP4 was built around the original Switch hardware, which was more like an Xbox 360 or PS3 in terms of power. Now I think it's pretty obvious the Swiitch 2 sits somwhere between the PS4 Pro and Series S in terms of what it can achive visuals wise. The Star Wars Outlaws port demonstrates it's also pretty capable with more modern game engines.
But back to the MP4 Switch 2 version and they have done a great job with the resolution and framerate, and the texture and details are a massive step up form the Switch version. But you still have to accept it was never designed for the Switch 2, so there will have to be compromises made as a result of the original hardware. In this respect the developer has done a great job.
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fallingdove
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Nonsense. If Microsoft ported Halo 4 to take advantage of the Ally X in the same way Retro did between the Switch and the Switch 2, they could get it running at 4k/120. That's the whole point of the Xbox Certified Games program. You can't just take general compatibility settings and expect that they deliver hardware specialized performance.
Robb
Gold Member
Man, the regular Metroid Prime/classic/non-NPC gameplay looks great.
I also really like the new beam that lets you control the trajectory. Reminds me of Zelda: Skyward Sword's beetle item, which was one of my favorites in that game.
Can't wait!
Mozza
Member
Also the mini review is probably the most balanced I have seen. And in particular his comments about the new NPC's. They exist to make the game more accessable, and you still get the core game elements that make this series what it is. This latest entry has the potenntial to be the biggest selling game in the franchises history.
So hyped for this, and in HDR is going to look awesome.
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Chan
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Not gonna lie: this whole nervous NPC chatter thing is kinda shocking. Of all game franchises on planet earth, this is not the one you should induce with this gen-z nonsense. I really do think it can break the game on some level for me. I will wait for reviews who painstakingly explain how often, when and how this miserable decision will interfere with the game.
There are games where I can tolerate this, but Metroid it is not.
There are games where I can tolerate this, but Metroid it is not.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
More footage compiled from the JP site. Lots of information. Sections of the website have voice sound files for each of the Troopers. I think Myles is probably the only bad character by design. Not concerned anymore about him.
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vaibhavpisal
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This type of chatter would befit a Mario game.
I would welcome it there, in fact.
I would welcome it there, in fact.
Mozza
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We have to be a little realistic here. Nintendo have developed a game and invested a lot of money, even more when you consider they had to totally re start with a new development studio. On a franchise that has sold pretty niche sales numbers at best. The biggest selling title in the series on the cube only sold around 2.84 million copies, and that was when Nintendo were still in the core console market. Corruption on the Wii only sold 1.4 million copies from a pretty decent userbase. And as I have previously stated the recent remaster has sold around 1.09 million units, on a massively popular console.
Nintendo need a game with a lot more wider appeal, which is why the Switch brand has been so successful. This is why they are changing things a little. Yes it might not sit well with everybody, but I am pretty sure will get them a game that is played by more people. And when people on YouTube and on niche forums keep shouting about what the fans really want... Who are they actually talking about?.... As in the past the franchise has never set the world alight sales wise.
I am a massive fan of the series and have loved and played all the games, but after playing the recent remaster for a short while gave up on it very quickly. Nostalgia is a very powerful drug. I just feel the franchise needs a little shake up.... And this seems to be striking the right balance. But we will have to wait an see.
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Exactly this
We now know this game wont surpass Prime 1/2. Especially over time this shit will absolutely destrory replayability
There is a reason i never replayed Prime 3, but Prime 1 countless times. This looks even worse than Prime 3 so far too
I am kind of chocked that Nintendo did not block this typical western design. They usually avoid this stuff very well.
Mozza
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How do we know this exactly?, the game has not even been reviewed as yet. And I liked corruption as well, but it felt a lot different to the original. When you say it looks worse than prime 3, did you mean the visuals.
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Oh no visuals and gameplay looks amazing
I mean the story/dialogue looks even worse (more front and center) that in prime 3
If you look at the trailer with the soldiers saying stuff like "want to see my family" and especially cringe shit like "bring the band back together". That WILL for sure destroy the atmosphere
Unless. There is a big unless here
Unless they introduce them and then in a big event kill them off to really empathize the isolation and horror part of metroid (finding dead soldiers etc IS metroid)
But hearing the dialogue and marketing i fully expect this to be a disney story where everthing just goes fine in the end
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Mozza
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I really liked corruption, and played it quite a few times on the Wii. The recent remaster of the original left me cold, the visuals are great but it just seemed very dated. Nintendo started off production with a Japanese developer but jumped ship back to retro studios, so perhaps they just preferred the western approach. Personally a few annoying NPC's will not prevent me enjoying this game. Hopefully when we see some proper reviews most will feel the same.
I agree that the reactions are overblown
I mean it looks GREAT. It is more a disappointment for me. I do not like chatty npc in almost any game and especially in metroid
Imagine if you had chatty npc summons in elden ring follow you around that you also had to keep alive. It would still be elden ring but it would be an annoyance at least
Mozza
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I am hoping this strikes the right balance. The original feels a little dated which is why I liked corruption so much. Pretty sure Retro will not let us down. But the game needs more accessibility as it's very unlikely we will get more titles if this bombs.
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Robb
Gold Member
I imagine it might be the other way around and Nintendo is the one pushing for this and that a lot of RETRO Staff are sitting around thinking 'told you so' right about now.
Kensuke Tanabe has been talking and pushing this stuff for years in the prime series.
Two separate interviews long before we got a reveal of Metroid Prime 4:
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Al Pachinko, Konami President
Some renders of the Federation Troopers and the corresponding trailer shot of each.
Will be interesting to see if we get a face reveal of Sylux in this. Supposedly he is human.
LordOcidax
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Robb
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Hyet
Member
I think they do. I think they know prefectly.
And they are baiting you all. There's a reason they did this. They know their public and they are playing everyone like a fiddle. The reaction this caracter causes its intentional. I'm so curious to know wheres It leads.
My prediction is that, as you meet other troopers you start piercing out nobody knows Who this McKencie Guy is. All other troopers know each other but nobody knows him. Then its finally revealed that he's Sylux secret identity and ruins the scape from Viewros plan by taking all the elements required for It to work for himself or soe things like that.
Tanabe and Retro are masters at making Metroid. They are gonna give It to you and its gonna be great.
LordOcidax
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Some of you never learn…Wow, the previews are really bad.
That the game will meet our expectations
Oh shit yep probably this then… i had just about forgotten that 3ds game where Tanabe was really excited for federation stuff too
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