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Eric-GCA · Oct 19, 2004

according to Matt C.

All reports I've heard indicate that Prime 2 is seriously, seriously more difficult than the first game. Downright hard, in some cases.

Should be awesome.

Matt

Should be fun.

impirius · Oct 19, 2004

"Bring it on."

SantaC · Oct 19, 2004

Eric-GCA said:
according to Matt C.

Should be fun.

Finally. I have been waiting for a difficult Metroid game since the first 2 games.

Lakitu · Oct 19, 2004

Sweet. I thought Metroid Prime was quite hard, but this should provide an immense challenge, really looking forward to it.

Buggy Loop · Oct 20, 2004

Hell yes! Dark samus in the 41m footage from Insider already looked a lot more difficult than pretty much any metroid prime boss, and thats the first encounter with it.

Deku Tree · Oct 20, 2004

Nice. I like that.

But they should have three difficulty settings:

weaksauce
normal
hard

i.e. I hope it's not so hard that it turns away gamers like F-Zero GX did.

Baconäger · Oct 20, 2004

Really hard games suck. This better not be true.

My guess is it's just Matt Casserole hype.

Eric-GCA · Oct 20, 2004

Buggy Loop said:
Hell yes! Dark samus in the 41m footage from Insider already looked a lot more difficult than pretty much any metroid prime boss, and thats the first encounter with it.

I played the Dark Samus battle twice during E3, and I must say that I was very close to dying both times. It was not an easy battle by any means.

Rocket Punch · Oct 20, 2004

Bacon said:
Really hard games suck. This better not be true.

My guess is it's just Matt Casserole hype.

LOL

I sure like me a hard game on for the cold winter nights.

DIrtyWeasel · Oct 20, 2004

I hope it's not hard enough to be frustrating.
I liked Metroid Prime's difficulty, it was challenging but I never got frustrated by it.

Kon Tiki · Oct 20, 2004

http://www.samusforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=365

I found that last night.

Mejilan · Oct 20, 2004

Hard compared to MP USA or hard compared to MP Europe?

Deku Tree · Oct 20, 2004

Mejilan said:
Hard compared to MP USA or hard compared to MP Europe?

Was the European version easier? My guess is hard compared to MP USA considering this is from IGN>

Flynn · Oct 20, 2004

I wasn't a fan of Metroid: Prime's last battle. Unnecessarily difficult.

Kon Tiki · Oct 20, 2004

Deku Tree said:
Was the European version easier? My guess is hard compared to MP USA considering this is from IGN>

EU/NAPC was harder than the NA.

Ramirez · Oct 20, 2004

MP had a nice challenge level on Normal,IMO...the game to me is more about exploration,I can't be bothered with little monsters that take away half of my health with one hit

Deku Tree · Oct 20, 2004

Society said:
EU/NAPC was harder than the NA.

What did they change to make it harder?

Dan · Oct 20, 2004

Flynn said:
I wasn't a fan of Metroid: Prime's last battle. Unnecessarily difficult.

I didn't even bother with it. It wasn't fun or original. It was just a tedious and frustrating chore.

Which leads to my question, since I thought the difficult parts of Prime were more frustrating and annoying that difficult, so is Echoes going to be more challenging or more frustrating? If the latter, I'll pass.

Kon Tiki · Oct 20, 2004

Deku Tree said:
What did they change to make it harder?

http://www.metroid2002.com/home.php

Click on version differences.

EU and NA Player Choice were more like MP 1.5.

CrimsonSkies · Oct 20, 2004

Is there actually going to be a story in this game that I don't have to read?

Wario64 · Oct 20, 2004

It better be hard. Metroid Prime on hard difficulty was a joke. Didn't die once

Meier · Oct 20, 2004

I never did beat Metroid Prime since I couldnt win the final battle.

ravingloon · Oct 20, 2004

Dan said:
I didn't even bother with it. It wasn't fun or original. It was just a tedious and frustrating chore.

Which leads to my question, since I thought the difficult parts of Prime were more frustrating and annoying that difficult, so is Echoes going to be more challenging or more frustrating? If the latter, I'll pass.

IAWTP

I forced my way to the final form and then it seemed to get even harder. That was that for me. I was satisfied with actually seeing all the game, I didn't have to beat that rediculious boss.

As for this news, I pray it's not true. I can't imagine ever passing on a Metroid game, but if it's trying to get some fame for being hardcore, I'll sadly pass

Memles · Oct 20, 2004

Meier said:
I never did beat Metroid Prime since I couldnt win the final battle.

Join the Club.

Loved the game up until that point. Then that happened.

I would have finished it if I hadn't kept having to go through the Impact Crater. Just a CHORE.

And I have acquired a Tag...who would have thought it would be a throwaway overtly sarcastic promotion of a Prime Minister to do it.

Kon Tiki · Oct 20, 2004

CrimsonSkies said:
Is there actually going to be a story in this game that I don't have to read?

Samus makes contact with the Luminoth, in person. I do not think they would use text bubbles. As far as scaning to find info, yes you will need to read. It is an adventure games after all.

Deku Tree · Oct 20, 2004

Society said:
http://www.metroid2002.com/home.php

Click on version differences.

EU and NA Player Choice were more like MP 1.5.

That list reads like changes that make it harder to sequence break but not necessarily things that make it harder for the average gamer (like say enemies have more energy in the PAL version). I knew that it was harder to get super low finish times in the pal version but I didn't think we were talking about that. I thought we were talking about difficulty for other stuff like puzzles or bosses.

Is the PAL version harder from the standpoint of a gamer who doesn't care about completion time? I mean check this out (from that site)

Phazon damage was turned down in the Japanese, European and Australian versions

Kon Tiki · Oct 20, 2004

Deku Tree said:
That list reads like changes that make it harder to sequence break but not necessarily things that make it harder for the average gamer (like say enemies have more energy in the PAL version). I knew that it was harder to get super low finish times in the pal version but I didn't think we were talking about that. I thought we were talking about difficulty for other stuff like puzzles or bosses.

Is the PAL version harder from the standpoint of a gamer who doesn't care about completion time? I mean check this out (from that site)

Hmm, they used to have a list of changes, not just cosmetic ones. Let me find another list, or one who ones the PAL version.

Enemies will take more shots to kill, deal more damage, and drop fewer health and ammo refills when finally killed. Environmental hazards will also do more damage. The environment will now include doors that require multiple shots to open, a touch from previous Metroid games. The optional hint system will also take longer to kick in. No word on how these changes affect any Hard Mode remaining in the game.

http://www.gameforms.com/news/?732

Deku Tree · Oct 20, 2004

WOW.

gameforms said:
Voice acting, which made a brief and tinny debut in Super Metroid, will be added in multiple ways. Voices will announce locked doors, read scan data and new entries in Samus' log book, and appear in the game's opening and ending sequences.

Was all that voice acting really included in the PAL version? Makes me envy PAL gamers...

Kon Tiki · Oct 20, 2004

Deku Tree said:
WOW.

Was all that voice acting really included in the PAL version? Makes me envy PAL gamers...

Ya the voices, the introduction and wrapup are onthat first site.

Intro

Ending

Suit Voice

Kiriku · Oct 20, 2004

The last boss in Metroid Prime was a bitch (especially if you didn't have all of the special attacks for each beam), I hope they don't make the entire game with that kind of difficulty.

Deku Tree · Oct 20, 2004

Thanks. I don't have a sound card on this computer so I have to wait till I get home later to check that stuff out.

Che · Oct 20, 2004

Wario64 said:
It better be hard. Metroid Prime on hard difficulty was a joke. Didn't die once

What? You can't be that good.

Flynn · Oct 20, 2004

Che said:
What? You can't be that good.

Didn't you know? Wario64 is the one.

belgurdo · Oct 20, 2004

Flynn said:
Didn't you know? Wario64 is the one.

Does that mean....I'm his bitch?

BobbyRobby · Oct 20, 2004

With no FPS experience, I was able to beat Metroid Prime pretty easily, aside from one boss.

I'm down for a challenge.

Kiriku · Oct 20, 2004

BobbyRobby said:
With no FPS experience, I was able to beat Metroid Prime pretty easily, aside from one boss.

I'm down for a challenge.

I don't see how FPS experience would change anything.

Wario64 · Oct 20, 2004

Che said:
What? You can't be that good.

You're right. I died a couple times in normal mode. But hard mode...haha

I AM NOBODYS BITCH!

TekunoRobby · Oct 20, 2004

This is a game series that would heavily benefit from the harder difficulty. Metroid Prime was also woefully easy but nice to see that they are keeping that option for those who aren't interested in a challenge.

P.S. I am Wario64's sensei from the afterlife.

Mejilan · Oct 20, 2004

MP wasn't that hard. Not even on hard mode (US launch version.) But it was fun, and it did have a couple of moments that were challenging.

Sho Nuff · Oct 20, 2004

The final boss owned me so I never wound up finishing it.

That makes my penis very small.

FoneBone · Oct 20, 2004

I thought that it was only the bosses that were particularly difficult in the first game -- mostly, it wasn't that challenging. I hope they haven't made things too difficult.

MadOdorMachine · Oct 20, 2004

Does the whole light world dark world thing remind anyone of the movie "The Dark Crystal?" I'm not complaining or anything, cause it's a cool idea. I'm just saying the seem kind of similar to me.

Jade Knight 08 · Oct 20, 2004

An ass whopping?!?!.... Great, haven't had that since Omega Pirate did a number on me!

Here's my scope that it did a number on me. Starting at #1 which is the worst.

Metroid Prime: Harder to kill

1. Omega Pirate ( can't concentrate due to stupid Yellow and Pink pirates )
2. Yellow Pirates ( 5 of 'em on screen at once in the same room )
3. Flaagrah ( knocking out 4 satellite sun dish to take her out )

TheDuce22 · Oct 20, 2004

So do you still spend 80% of your playtime backtracking?

Kon Tiki · Oct 20, 2004

TheDuce22 said:
So do you still spend 80% of your playtime backtracking?

Yes it is still a Metroid Game.

Flynn · Oct 20, 2004

Despite my complaints, I did manage to finally kill that final boss.

All said, it required exactly one Naval detachment's-worth of cursing to get the job done.

Che · Oct 20, 2004

Wario64 said:
You're right. I died a couple times in normal mode. But hard mode...haha

I AM NOBODYS BITCH!

You must have finished Wind Waker blindfolded man.

Jade Knight 08 · Oct 20, 2004

Yes, i do backtacking. It takes the bordem out of me. That's what i love about it.

Kon Tiki · Oct 20, 2004

Che said:
You must have finished Wind Waker blindfolded man.

I believe that is possible.

duderon · Oct 20, 2004

Damn, a lot of weaksauce gamers in this thread. (not including wario of course)

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