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Metroid: Samus Returns' Ending Teases the Future of Metroid (MASSIVE SPOILERS)
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I just 100%'d this game...god fucking damn.
When the last memory started going red and blurry holy SHIIIIIIIT...
A Chozo in a suit similar to Samus's potentially starting a civil war. Man I am excited for the future of Metroid.
As I understood it:
The chozo harvested the life energy from the creatures on SR388. This was the Aeion, and also eventually because the X with the mutations. The X and Aeion are a form of life energy. Which Metroids feed on. They created the Metroids to do away with the X since they knew what the X were. The Metroids turned since they still needed sustenance and could get it from the Chozo.
When the last memory started going red and blurry holy SHIIIIIIIT...
A Chozo in a suit similar to Samus's potentially starting a civil war. Man I am excited for the future of Metroid.
As I understood it:
The chozo harvested the life energy from the creatures on SR388. This was the Aeion, and also eventually because the X with the mutations. The X and Aeion are a form of life energy. Which Metroids feed on. They created the Metroids to do away with the X since they knew what the X were. The Metroids turned since they still needed sustenance and could get it from the Chozo.
To a poster on a previous page who mentioned that perhaps the Baby Metroid didn't think of Samus as his mother at all, I was just reading the new Super Metroid interview and saw this, which seems to further confirm (to me) that Sakamoto still sees their relationship this way:
https://www.nintendo.com/super-nes-classic/interview-super-metroid
https://www.nintendo.com/super-nes-classic/interview-super-metroid
Regarding what the original did:
You get to Area 8 and the counter goes up from 1 to 9, there's 8 regular Metroids, then the queen.
Oh, that was then.
By the way, yesterday bought the Samus and Metroid amiibo and they are AWESOME. My first and (I hope) only amiibo I will buy
That's what they all say, then they have like 50+ amiibo like me. I got the Metroid and Samus amiibo, and also bought the Alm & Celica FE amiibo.
100%'d it last night. What a fantastic game. Definitely a bit derivative, but it's what I (and I suspect "we") needed at this point, a fresh 2D Metroid game that hits all the right notes and makes us hearken back to what we love most about this series. The new stuff fit really well with the old, and it was the right amount of challenging. I always love going back to earlier areas in a Metroid game with all the power-ups and just laying waste to guys that gave you such a hard time in the beginning.
As others have said, it did feel a little less balanced in terms of the non-linearity (in that sometimes it felt like more of a nuisance than anything else to see an item/area you couldn't get to yet but knowing exactly what you needed), and sometimes it was a little too on the nose of "here are all these doors, here's the item you need!" - but it's a small critique.
I'll also say that I wish more important things were kept in places that you had to backpedal for. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I feel like Super and Prime for instance had you go back to older areas and discover the next area you had to get to by going through a door you couldn't go in before. What I mean is, right at the beginning of both Super and Prime there are doors you can't go in that actually lead to a completely different area of the game, and you have to come back eventually to move forward in the "story". This game didn't really have any of that. I kept expecting there to be a metroid or a new weapon through a door in an area I had already passed through behind a door I couldn't get through at the time, you know? I feel like that would've made the hunt for the metroids a bit more fun.
Also, love all the story stuff that's been being discussed. I avoided this thread until today, but yeah, the post-credits scene and ESPECIALLY that transition when looking at the gallery were pretty mind-blowing. I love that this is seemingly a franchise that Nintendo wants to start moving forward with again.
As others have said, it did feel a little less balanced in terms of the non-linearity (in that sometimes it felt like more of a nuisance than anything else to see an item/area you couldn't get to yet but knowing exactly what you needed), and sometimes it was a little too on the nose of "here are all these doors, here's the item you need!" - but it's a small critique.
I'll also say that I wish more important things were kept in places that you had to backpedal for. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but I feel like Super and Prime for instance had you go back to older areas and discover the next area you had to get to by going through a door you couldn't go in before. What I mean is, right at the beginning of both Super and Prime there are doors you can't go in that actually lead to a completely different area of the game, and you have to come back eventually to move forward in the "story". This game didn't really have any of that. I kept expecting there to be a metroid or a new weapon through a door in an area I had already passed through behind a door I couldn't get through at the time, you know? I feel like that would've made the hunt for the metroids a bit more fun.
Also, love all the story stuff that's been being discussed. I avoided this thread until today, but yeah, the post-credits scene and ESPECIALLY that transition when looking at the gallery were pretty mind-blowing. I love that this is seemingly a franchise that Nintendo wants to start moving forward with again.
So the Chozo maybe have a hand in the creation of the X in the first place ? Now we just need Prime 4 revealing that Phaaze appeared because them trying to ascend in a higher plan of existence, and then we can resume the whole series as Samus cleaning the mess of her foster bird parent.
I can't see the Chozo wanting to cure Samus if what happened on SR388 is punishable by death. Here is this non-Chozo planet destroyer that is injected with Chozo DNA and is biologically fused with our greatest weapons, she is also part Metroid, she feast on X parasites for power, and if anything is left of the space pirates they fear her like Hell fears the Doom Slayer.
Seems like she is a threat to the galaxy.
Seems like she is a threat to the galaxy.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Just finished the game.
Loved it despite how repetitive were the enemies.
Loved it despite how repetitive were the enemies.
Samus' DNA reverts back to normal after Fusion. She is not part-Metroid anymore.
Green Mamba
Member
The more I look at the memories the more I think the Chozo may have accidentally released the X, not that they accidentally created them. The third memory seems to be glossed over, but the presence of the digging robots seems significant--and in the bottom of the picture you can see one of the digging robots digging into rock that has yellow light pouring through the cracks. And then the fourth memory, to me it seems like the X are coming from the walls of the cave itself. My theory is that the X were something that was sealed away underneath the surface of SR388 by something prior to the Chozo arriving and they accidentally dug their way into their holding grounds.
Which could be an interesting way to approach Fusion sequels--perhaps the X weren't all exterminated by destroying SR388--perhaps there are caches of X sealed away in hidden caves across the galaxy.
Which could be an interesting way to approach Fusion sequels--perhaps the X weren't all exterminated by destroying SR388--perhaps there are caches of X sealed away in hidden caves across the galaxy.
"Moria! Moria! Wonder of the Northern world. Too deep we delved there, and woke the nameless fear."
I could definitely see that being a thing.
Agent_Carnage
Member
Is that cannon?
I'll take your word for it but her suit still looks very much stuck to her body and at the very least she blew up another planet.
Confirmed by Sakamoto in an interview. The SA-X provided Samus's original genotype.
The suit's no longer stuck to her body, as seen in the ending screens in Fusion.I'll take your word for it but her suit still looks very much stuck to her body and at the very least she blew up another planet.
I wish that in Prime 4 the chozo play a bigger role, or in Metroid 5 on the Switch, I don't evn care. Give it to meee.
The most horror this series ever had. So good. Yes please indeed.
So what they're saying is we might get a new iteration of the SA-X?
Yes please.
The most horror this series ever had. So good. Yes please indeed.
That was my initial thought while going through most of the game, though it's made a little bit shaky in the Ridley battle when the Metroid drains him and produces normal suit-energy (health) for Samus. That either means that the energy the Metroid feeds on is the normal non-aeion energy and the Chozo just have a different way to extract aeion, or Metroids are able to absorb aeion and convert and release it into other energy types.
Hopefully a theoretical future Metroid 5 actually covers this in a little more detail, because as it stands currently the differences between aeion and the "life energy" that powers Samus' suit and the larval Metroids supposedly feed on is really muddled.
That's really disappointing. Samus being part Metroid and possibly gaining new abilities because of that was an interesting avenue they could have gone down.
The Hermit
Member
Wait, those images are in the game? Where?
I 100% and never saw them
I 100% and never saw them
Green Mamba
Member
Options menu, in the gallery.
Fusion shut down basically any interesting possibility it created by the end of the game.
The X? Dead.
Ridley? Deader than dead.
Samus with Metroid DNA? Gone.
I just beat it.
Holy. Shit. That reveal of the last picture at the end with the 2d/11. Unbelievable. I made sure not to click on this thread until I beat it and Im so happy I didnt get spoiled. That glitch with the final picture messed me up.
I am SO hyped for the next 2D Metroid and where the story is going to go next.
Holy. Shit. That reveal of the last picture at the end with the 2d/11. Unbelievable. I made sure not to click on this thread until I beat it and Im so happy I didnt get spoiled. That glitch with the final picture messed me up.
I am SO hyped for the next 2D Metroid and where the story is going to go next.
LegendofLex
Member
random observation:
the next brand-new Metroid game would technically be the 11th non-Pinball, non-remake franchise title
Metroid/Zero Mission
Metroid II/Samus Returns
Super Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
Metroid Prime Hunters
Metroid Prime 3
Metroid Other M
Metroid Prime Federation Force
???
Metroid Prime 4
If the Chozo Memories were implying that the Chozo inadvertently created the X too, then that door is still open.
Since there is likely a faction of hostile Chozo out there, chances are, they know how to make Metroids, and are likely to do so.
That's because Fusion was probably made to be the end of the classic franchise. It tied all the titles together (even Other M, which didn't exist at the time) and the stakes were at its highest.
They have to start anew. A new storyline with new settings, plot devices, characters, enemies and factions arising from the foundations of the original series.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Samus on the run from the Federation? That is the thread I expected Metroid 5 to follow since I finished Fusion.
I wouldn't say it'd be too crazy of an idea for the Chozo to start recreating X or Metroids again after the end of the Chozo Memories. Keep fueling the cycle, shift their image of the kind peaceful intelligent species into a race looking for galactic domination in hopes of "peace in the galaxy" by creating more Metroids or X (or both!). That 2d/11 image is very telling about the Chozo and the future. It's awesome.
TheGreatLugia
Banned
Just got 100% and reposting my question in this thread:
2d in red. 2d red . 2 d r e d. Is this teasing what I think it is, or am I just overanalyzing it?
2d in red. 2d red . 2 d r e d. Is this teasing what I think it is, or am I just overanalyzing it?
Piecing together everything people have said I figure it means the 11th game will be Metroid Dread? The 2 I assume means it's 2d or the second attempt since the project was cancelled.
*edit And when I say 2d I just mean sidescroller not necessarily pixel art.
goldenpp72
Member
I thought Fusion was Metroid 4 and Other M was Metroid 5? I'm not an expert on Metroid lore so I might be mistaking some placement but, I was pretty sure the Metroid series had 5 mainline entries.
TheDinoman
Member
Other M takes place before Fusion, so it would really be "Metroid 3.5", if anything.
goldenpp72
Member
Couldn't that just make Fusion "Metroid 5" in turn? I doubt there will ever be an actual game called Metroid 5 (or 6) but yeah.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
What the hell am I missing with "2d" / "2d/11"? Y'all just mean the 11th image in the gallery or?
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
The thing is metroid Fusion is called Metroid IV in the beginning cutscene of that game (the only entry numbered officially apart from the game boy game), so Other M is basically Metroid 3.5 Also its made like a bridge to close all the lose ends from Super to Fusion, expalining stuff like Ridley freezed in the GF station, and the Nightmare project.
Seemed too specific and with a lot of focus to be nothing, I think it's teasing something.
I saw someone suggest "To Dread" and I'm all for that.
Just a minor nitpick, but Super Metroid is also officially numbered as Metroid 3. You see it in the opening when you boot up the game. Your actual point still stands though.
TheGreatLugia
Banned
The word 2d being the only red text in the Chozo Gallery made me wonder if it's supposed to be read as "2d red" or "2dred."
My first thought was that it might be saying "to dread."
Also as LegendofLex said, the 11 could refer to the 11th brand new Metroid game. If you don't count the remakes separately or Prime Pinball, then there have been 10 Metroid entries so far.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Huh. I might remember that now. It doesn't stay that way, right? Because mine just says 11/11 now.
TheGreatLugia
Banned
Yeah, it only says 2d/10 on the bottom screen when you unlock the eleventh Chozo Memory. Afterwards it says 11/11.
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