MGSV: Ground Zeroes - Spoilers Thread - #TeamBowie

EVA getting molested and raped by Volgin? Never happened, Volgin was known for being romantic and would never do such a thing. Raiden being a orphan and child solider that would slaughter adults and other children? Nah. He was called Jack the Ripper because of how he carved pumpkins on Halloween. MGS as a series has always had tragedy as a backdrop or thematic theme. Not paying attention to these sort of things and then being surprised when Kojima and company up the tragic nature of humanity is odd.

Kojima is shackled to this franchise, in a recent interview he said he's getting old, and wishes he could create something other than another MGS game. So if you take that into consideration, aspects of MGS V will be handled differently compared to past MGS games.

And you know what? The Chico tape serves its purpose. I have the heaviest doubt in the world that someone that plays Ground Zeroes, finds the rape tape, and listens to it, will look at rape in a positive light. As long as rape isn't being glorified, it being part of the story and Chico's character is fine, hell, great.

Based on how some people feel we need to create a giant poll and nominate videogame designers/artists if they can have sexual assault be in their games or not.
 
Wait, are these tapes accessed at the end of Ground Zeroes? Or are these tapes picked up along the way? I am confusing the access to these tapes as the end to the game, which I don't get.
 
Skullface IS volgin. I'm sure of it. You can tell by the way he walks and is introduced in the E3 2013 trailer.

Nah, I think we all might have misconstrued who the returning, revived character was. I mean, heck, he could be referring to Ocelot, or some other character who has died in games that take place later in the series.
 
Nah, I think we all might have misconstrued who the returning, revived character was. I mean, heck, he could be referring to Ocelot, or some other character who has died in games that take place later in the series.

Skull Face mentions that he knows Big Boss pretty well from the past.
 
Nah, I think we all might have misconstrued who the returning, revived character was. I mean, heck, he could be referring to Ocelot, or some other character who has died in games that take place later in the series.

Well, it can either be someone Big Boss has fought before or someone he knew from the military or CIA.

I think it's LBJ and he's pissed that Big Boss snubbed him on the handshake.
 
Wait, are these tapes accessed at the end of Ground Zeroes? Or are these tapes picked up along the way? I am confusing the access to these tapes as the end to the game, which I don't get.

I think they're accessible by finishing the game once. I don't know if you need to finish the side-quests and the game on hard to access all the tapes, but that wouldn't be a simple task.
The first tape you get is to help you find out where Paz may have been taken.
 
Skull Face mentions that he knows Big Boss pretty well from the past.

Yeah. And, more key, he calls him 'Big Boss' when nobody else does. He refers to Snake with his military rank ('Big Boss'), not his codename.

If I were to guess a returning character, it would be Hot Coldman. But the insight on Skull Face's origins means that can't be right. He might be someone else suitably 'government'. A former commander, perhaps?

And, it could be a character from Big Boss' past that we are unaware of. Like Python (who is now non-canon, I guess) was.
 
EVA getting molested and raped by Volgin? Never happened, Volgin was known for being romantic and would never do such a thing. Raiden being a orphan and child solider that would slaughter adults and other children? Nah. He was called Jack the Ripper because of how he carved pumpkins on Halloween. MGS as a series has always had tragedy as a backdrop or thematic theme. Not paying attention to these sort of things and then being surprised when Kojima and company up the tragic nature of humanity is odd.

Kojima is shackled to this franchise, in a recent interview he said he's getting old, and wishes he could create something other than another MGS game. So if you take that into consideration, aspects of MGS V will be handled differently compared to past MGS games.

And you know what? The Chico tape serves its purpose. I have the heaviest doubt in the world that someone that plays Ground Zeroes, finds the rape tape, and listens to it, will look at rape in a positive light. As long as rape isn't being glorified, it being part of the story and Chico's character is fine, hell, great.

Based on how some people feel we need to create a giant poll and nominate videogame designers/artists if they can have sexual assault be in their games or not.

There is a degree of subtlety in Raiden's childhood and EVA's rape. We understood they were awful without having to have our noses rubbed in it like dumb dogs that just pissed on the floor and made Kojima sad. Nobody reasonable is saying that Metal Gear can't tackle topics like rape and child soldiers. It's just that this new approach seems very hamfisted.
 
Honestly it all seems unnecessarily perverse to me. A vagina bomb and a kid raping a woman? There are other ways to scar a character. For a series like Metal Gear to go off the deep end on this kind of sexual stuff, I dunno, I guess it just doesn't feel right.

For the sake of it? Have you never read war literature?
 
There is a degree of subtlety in Raiden's childhood and EVA's rape. We understood they were awful without having to have our noses rubbed in it like dumb dogs that just pissed on the floor and made Kojima sad.

Sheesh, it's not like Ground Zeroes cuts to footage from I Spit on Your Grave.
 
There is a degree of subtlety in Raiden's childhood and EVA's rape. We understood they were awful without having to have our noses rubbed in it like dumb dogs that just pissed on the floor and made Kojima sad.

How is a audio tape which has to be found or unlocked rubbing our noses in our piss? Its not like Chico screams "I RAPED SOMEBODY BOSS!" when he sees Big Boss.

Most players might not even find the tape, the ones that do might think "I wish I never found this shit".
 
MGS3 spoilers:

She's dead, but Ocelot is her son. But he's always been around.

Well, I know she's dead, and damn, I actually forgot he's her son.

But what I'm asking is do you think that it's possible for Kojima to pull one of the ridiculous stunts he's pulled to
revive her
, or reveal that she
had other offspring.
?

Look, truth is, MGS3 is the only game I have played that chronicles the story of Big Boss. I have not played Portable Ops nor Peace Walker, so I don't know if The Boss has any relevance at all. I'm pulling shit from my ass and trying to create a discussion because I haven't followed the universe in many years and considering I don't know anything about Portable Ops and Peace Walker, I'm out of the loop and fucking lost. lol
 
Well, I know she's dead, and damn, I actually forgot he's her son.

But what I'm asking is do you think that it's possible for Kojima to pull one of the ridiculous stunts he's pulled to
revive her
, or reveal that she
had other offspring.
?

Look, truth is, MGS3 is the only game I have played that chronicles the story of Big Boss. I have not played Portable Ops nor Peace Walker, so I don't know if The Boss has any relevance at all. I'm pulling shit from my ass and trying to create a discussion because I haven't followed the universe in many years and considering I don't know anything about Portable Ops and Peace Walker, I'm out of the loop and fucking lost. lol

In Peace Walker
The Boss' consciousness is put in a giant robot
.

It's stupid. You didn't miss much. If you want I could explain the key relevant moments of those games for you.
 
Well, I know she's dead, and damn, I actually forgot he's her son.

But what I'm asking is do you think that it's possible for Kojima to pull one of the ridiculous stunts he's pulled to
revive her
, or reveal that she
had other offspring.
?

Look, truth is, MGS3 is the only game I have played that chronicles the story of Big Boss. I have not played Portable Ops nor Peace Walker, so I don't know if The Boss has any relevance at all. I'm pulling shit from my ass and trying to create a discussion because I haven't followed the universe in many years and considering I don't know anything about Portable Ops and Peace Walker, I'm out of the loop and fucking lost. lol

Peace Walker spoilers:

She sort of did get revived as an AI in PW.
 
Peace Walker really has the dumbest story in the mainline entries.

I didn't like the whole "The Boss is now an AI" part, but other than that I though the story of Peace Walker was fantastic. I really liked Hot Coldman's motivation and plans, and we see the development of Big Boss into a true commander.
 
Concerning Skull Face's true identity, I believe both he and Ishmael were designed to have obscured identities and resemble as many past characters as possible, and I think one or both of them will never actually have their identities revealed. Seriously, here's a partial list of all the theories I've seen for each character, and they all have compelling arguments:

Skull Face: Volgin, Zadornov, Coldman, Gene, Python, Grey Fox, Decoy Octopus

Ishmael: Solid Snake, Solidus Snake, Ocelot, Grey Fox, Decoy Octopus, Big Boss

Even Big Boss' identity in the Phantom Pain is uncertain, especially because his fighting civil wars in africa in the 80's lines up perfectly with Solidus' backstory.
 
In Peace Walker
The Boss' consciousness is put in a giant robot
.

It's stupid. You didn't miss much. If you want I could explain the key relevant moments of those games for you.

Peace Walker spoilers:

She sort of did get revived as an AI in PW.

You have got to be kidding me. What the fuck.

I'd appreciate it if you could sum the story in a few short sentences, that'd be great.

But what the fuck.
 
Where did this idea that Volgin raped EVA came from?

The MGS 4 database?

...what. Volgin creeps on her hard, she has scars from his violent lovemaking that I'm fairly sure are mentioned in dialogue. It's not even subtle, really.

Rape probably isn't the right term for it, but Volgin was REALLY into sadism during his sexual tirades, which is where the scars on EVA's back came from.

Yup. Volgin is a spoiled child, anything he wants he'll take it, anything he wants to do, he'll do. If he wanted EVA, there is nothing she can do to stop that.
 
...what. Volgin creeps on her hard, she has scars from his violent lovemaking that I'm fairly sure are mentioned in dialogue. It's not even subtle, really.

Oh, OK. So there's no source, you're just assuming that's what happened because of her scars (caused by some supposed lovemaking between a gay man and a woman) and some dialogue you can't remember well. That's fine.

The only thing she said is that's he's a sadist. Nothing else.
Just for the record.

Rape probably isn't the right term for it, but Volgin was REALLY into sadism during his sexual tirades, which is where the scars on EVA's back came from.

Being a sadist is not the same thing as being a rapist. Volgin got off on torturing and killing his victims.
 
Yeah, I don't think he raped EVA either, but I'm sure he made it feel like it as much as possible. The guy was a straight-up sex fiend.
 
Reading those GZ spoilers...man

I'm picturing a journalist seeing those revelations during a review event. He starts to make a disturbed face and turns around, seeing Kojima with a creep face saying "did you rike it?"
 
Oh, OK. So there's no source, you're just assuming that's what happened because of her scars (caused by some supposed lovemaking between a gay man a a woman) and some dialogue you can't remember well. That's fine.



Being a sadist is not the same thing as being a rapist. Volgin got off on torturing and killing his victims.

Are you arguing Volgin didn't have sex with EVA? And when he did EVA consented?

Yeah, I don't think he raped EVA either, but I'm sure he made it feel like it as much as possible. The guy was a straight-up sex fiend.

I really doubt EVA wanted or consented to have sex with some roid looking freak who can generate electricity and would physically harm her for pleasure. She was completely powerless and wasn't given a choice due to her mission requirements.
 
Are you arguing Volgin didn't have sex with EVA? And when he did EVA consented?

I'm arguing he didn't have sex with EVA. Because it's mentioned nowhere. It's only mentioned that's he's gay, his partner is Raikov, he enjoys torturing people and EVA considers him a sadist.

Maybe people should pay attention to the fact that he's gay and gets off on torture when they claim that he raped a female spy.

I really doubt EVA wanted or consented to have sex with some roid looking freak who can generate electricity and would physically harm her for pleasure. She was completely powerless and wasn't given a choice due to her mission requirements.

Again, where are you getting that he raped EVA? The MGS 4 database? MGS 3 dialogue? I'd like to know.
 
Chico as Decoy Octopus would be a mind fuck, but think about it for a second:

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That would make Chico, Ocelot, Liquid (Eli) and Psycho Mantis(Young) of the FOXHOUND unit from MGS1.

We'd only need to connect Quiet with Sniper Wolf somehow and the Code Talker with the Shaman Vulcan Raven.
Edit: Oh lol, nvm. My mind mixed things up.
 
Even Big Boss' identity in the Phantom Pain is uncertain, especially because his fighting civil wars in africa in the 80's lines up perfectly with Solidus' backstory.
That'd be great. Solidus was is about artificial limbs as well. Phantom pain and what not. That would support Eli being Raiden.

Then us Hayter's can Hayte.
 
I'm arguing he didn't have sex with EVA. Because it's mentioned nowhere. It's only mentioned that's he's gay, his partner is Raikov, he enjoys torturing people and EVA considers him a sadist.

Maybe people should pay attention to the fact that he's gay and gets off on torture when they claim that he raped a female spy.

Again, where are you getting that he raped EVA? The MGS 4 database? MGS 3 dialogue? I'd like to know.
"She's a nice catch, I'll take her."
"Sokolov isn't man enough to have a lover like you."
"You can entertain me until the rain stops."
"Come, we're going to my room."

The implications are less than subtle.
 
Honestly, Kojima is trying way too hard to be edgy. There's a difference between tackling sensitive subjects in a medium to try and move it forward to be taken more seriously as an art value and adding something for shock value. Really starting to see Kojima's limits as a writer show up here.
 
what.

I refuse to believe it, they definitely did the nasty in the ending, not even Kojima can convince me otherwise.

I dunno, he does a pretty good job of resisting her charms throughout the game. EVA didn't help that much by not realizing how much he fucking loves M1911s.
 
I'm arguing he didn't have sex with EVA. Because it's mentioned nowhere. It's only mentioned that's he's gay, his partner is Raikov, he enjoys torturing people and EVA considers him a sadist.

Maybe people should pay attention to the fact that he's gay and gets off on torture when they claim that he raped a female spy.



Again, where are you getting that he raped EVA? The MGS 4 database? MGS 3 dialogue? I'd like to know.

Interpretation based on dialog and events in MGS3. EVA explicitly tells Big Boss what she'll do and has done for missions in the past, making men fall in love with her, essentially sleeping with men or letting men sleep with her. Her character arc is a lot more significant if she let a terrible bastard torture her and sexually assault her so she can complete her mission. Our interpretations are built around the same things. There was never a moment in MGS3 where EVA said "he raped me". I really don't think its a stretch that Volgin is bisexual and forced himself on EVA.

Besides, wouldn't a extreme sadist like Volgin get the most satisfaction by engaging in rape? Something that significantly damages the mind and spirit of someone else? This is a man that beats countless men to death just for the kicks.
 
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