MGSV: Ground Zeroes - Spoilers Thread - #TeamBowie
- Thread starter Batzi
- Start date
Valkyri von Thanatos
Member
Edit: I agree. People need to chill out about it being "in your face".
I think Kojima "taking this seriously" after 25 years is the trolling/sabotage, if anything.
Fuck it, make Ghost Babel canon, it's a great game. Ac!d 2 as well. I'd say I like them both more than Peace Walker on PSP (vastly prefer the HD version for controls + online play + framerate).
The Silver
Member
Just because the 1st 3 games had humorous elements doesn't mean they weren't taken seriously for what they were, for the story and themes being conveyed it allowed leeway for them to strike a balance between humor and drama.
MGS2 is still to this day one of the most ambitious games of all time, I'm pretty sure Kojima took that game seriously.
MGSV just happens to have a theme of race and revenge and the story being told just doesn't allow for the leeway of the past games.
MGS4 was a trolljob from start to finish.
Here's something interesting. The Diamond Dog logo has a Rhodesian Ridgeback on it. That's the Rhodesian equivalent of an American Foxhound (also a type of dog, it has only recently occurred to me).
And with FOXHOUND being already created in the canon according to Peace Walker (and referred to in timelines in earlier games) perhaps the Diamond Dogs are FOXHOUND? Maybe Big Boss trainees reassumes control of the organization following his coma?
And with FOXHOUND being already created in the canon according to Peace Walker (and referred to in timelines in earlier games) perhaps the Diamond Dogs are FOXHOUND? Maybe Big Boss trainees reassumes control of the organization following his coma?
I think we can savely assume that Portable Ops is completely irrelevant as long as its key plot points are not mentioned in future MGS games!
You can personally ignore it, but it will always be relevant unless Kojima dictates otherwise.
The platform specific side-missions are not easy to unlock. I think both missions are either unlocked by finishing the game on Hard or by finding all the XOF patches.
Neither task is simple.
Must be XOF patches then. There's 6 of them scattered throughout.
Don't take my word at face value though. It could be something else related to S ranking the game or side-quests.
Those missions are in the games though.
Valkyri von Thanatos
Member
Like someone mentioned earlier, can anyone confirm the free roam mode? I assume it is unlocked at the same time as the extra ops missions (Raiden or Solid Snake missions and skins). Similarly, does anyone know if there are any other "skins" besides those two?
Rogue Agent
Banned
Good point. Even if that's not true I think we're probably teaming up with Cipher & FOXHOUND in this game at some point with Skull Face & XOF being the main antagonist (and being an enemy of Zero), considering by the 90s Big Boss and Miller go back to FOXHOUND for some time before Big Boss starts the Outer Heaven Uprising and that's where they meet Solid Snake.
But the Rhodesian Ridgeback thing is certainly suspicious, both MSF and the Outer Heaven Mercenaries had the Skull Emblems and both Diamond Dog and FOXHOUND have the same breed of dog. And it looks like Diamond Dogs was founded in Big Boss's absence as well:
How did Miller and company get the resources in those 9 years to create "Diamond Dogs" anyway? In Peace Walker didn't they need Cipher's funding to create Motherbase? I know Miller & Ocelot claim we're fighting "Cipher" in the Phantom Pain, but that's obviously not who ordered Skull Face & XOF to destroy Motherbase and who Miller's actual desire for revenge would be directed at, so either Miller misunderstands or maybe our strings are being pulled again because Miller & Ocelot know Big Boss wouldn't voluntarily cooperate with Zero.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
The problem is that the horrible dialogue and cheesy voice acting make those scene completely manufactured. They're hard to be taken seriously.
Maybe they sound fine in japanese, though.
To be fair, Big Boss is supposed to be the bad guy in the end.
Welp, because I'm impatient as can be for this, I started searching around on youtube for recent vids. Someone had the balls to upload their play time. He's not great, but he's not like the streamers at least.
If anyone is interested.
http://youtu.be/eGhYuyNahUE
Oh, also the quality is crap.
If anyone is interested.
http://youtu.be/eGhYuyNahUE
Oh, also the quality is crap.
You were the one who said he was taking this seriously, implying he doesn't always. We don't know if MGS5 will retain any of the series humor at this point.
El Pescado
Member
Ghost Babel is my dream 3DS VC game. Kojima Please!
The Silver
Member
uh yeah, as you can see from my posts I was talking in reference to MGS4
The things you mentioned prior, like Hayter, cardboard boxes and exclamation points are not exclusive to MGS4. Forgive my confusion.
Graphics Horse
Member
Noticed some stuff from different playthroughs, if you don't put Chico down near the landing zone it skips the cutscene where he shows Snake the tape, the tape just falls out of the helicopter instead and Snake picks it up.
You can unlock the cage of prisoners next to Chico, so that might have an effect on the first cutscene? Edit: done in cackhyena's link, no different unless you can carry them away.
vvv
nice easter eggs! must be more to find!
You can unlock the cage of prisoners next to Chico, so that might have an effect on the first cutscene? Edit: done in cackhyena's link, no different unless you can carry them away.
vvv
nice easter eggs! must be more to find!
Rogue Agent
Banned
This is interesting...
Portable Ops gets the "I don't think I remember that one" response.
Portable Ops gets the "I don't think I remember that one" response.
Yep.
YEP.
That's Kojima.
What were people saying earlier about Portable Ops being canon? Kojima despises that game. Why? Because he didn't write it. Despite it being better written that any Metal Gear game post-MGS3.
Goddamn, that's some AAA-trolling right there.
Maninthemirror
Banned
As per amazon best sellers yet of 2014, zeroes might be the best selling ps4 game in march and also higher than tomb raider
Catalix
And on the sixth day the LORD David Bowie created man and woman in His image. And he saw that it was good. On the seventh day the LORD created videogames so that He might take the bloody day off for once.
Ouch. Once again, MPO gets treated like
Just going back through the series and I want to echo a sentiment that a few others have brought up over the past year:
The more I hear of Sutherland, and the more I go back through Hayter-voiced Snake games, the more I'm glad Hayter is no longer the voice of Snake.
Hayter's "interesting" voice for Snake fit the over-dramatic, sometimes campy, always odd MGSs of the past. However, with GZ and PPs more grounded, realistic tone it was time for a change.
Hayter sounds fine in MGS 1-3, but in MGS4 and PW he sounds flat-out ridiculous.
Jump from MGS3 to PW and listen... it's almost cringe-worthy. At least in MGS4 the insanely gravelly voice works because of Old Snake, even if still sounds a bit ridiculous. PW is hard to play just because of Hayter's voice, in my humble opinion.
All of this said, I'd still love to hear Hayter voice a teenage/adult Solid Snake by the end of PP. Just come in closer to the Snake voice from MGS1-3, please.
The more I hear of Sutherland, and the more I go back through Hayter-voiced Snake games, the more I'm glad Hayter is no longer the voice of Snake.
Hayter's "interesting" voice for Snake fit the over-dramatic, sometimes campy, always odd MGSs of the past. However, with GZ and PPs more grounded, realistic tone it was time for a change.
Hayter sounds fine in MGS 1-3, but in MGS4 and PW he sounds flat-out ridiculous.
Jump from MGS3 to PW and listen... it's almost cringe-worthy. At least in MGS4 the insanely gravelly voice works because of Old Snake, even if still sounds a bit ridiculous. PW is hard to play just because of Hayter's voice, in my humble opinion.
All of this said, I'd still love to hear Hayter voice a teenage/adult Solid Snake by the end of PP. Just come in closer to the Snake voice from MGS1-3, please.
Am I the only one who really likes the dark tone of the Japanese VA for skull face compared to the English VA?
Nope. Japanese Skullface is legend. The cassette tapes are amazing with him.
bernardobri
Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
Is there japanese voice track on the western releases? If that's the case, wow.
I don't believe so. Konami never seems to want to do dual audio for MGS, although I can understand it in MGS5's case since the facial capture was done exclusively for the English VA.
funkystudent
Member
Calling To The Night is canon!
That means ZOE is canon, too!
bernardobri
Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
Pictures featuring
cameo on the game.
http://shriveledsnake.tumblr.com/post/79287259119
Hideo Kojima's
http://shriveledsnake.tumblr.com/post/79287259119
EmCeeGramr
Member
That PO picture is a Big Boss level burn.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I SWEAR TO CHRIST WATCH THEIR FUNDING COME FROM BLOOD DIAMONDS
OH GOD I CAN SEE IT TOO, I CAN LITERALLY SEE THE CONVERSATION ON CODEC UNFOLD
Snake: Kaz...how are we able to afford all of this anyways?
Kaz: Snake while you were uh...away...the sale and trade of Diamonds has become rather lucrative. So we just got it from certain sources and then-
Snake: Certain sources? Kaz this sounds like we're involved in an illicit operation here.
Kaz: Haha, well isn't that the nature of all black ops anyways? Well you may not know, but the situation in the Congo has deteriorated rapidly and without much regulation obtaining diamonds has become rather simple. All a matter of coercion and intimidation
Snake: Desperate times I guess call for desperate measures.
Kaz: Our funding is a means to an end, the end of Cipher, don't lose sight of that goal Snake.
-CUT TRANSMISSION-
GET IT? DIAMOND DOGS? CONFLICT DIAMONDS?
KOJIMA PLSSSS YOU'VE BROKEN ME
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
You didn't nail the tone of Revenge Kaz. I fixed it for you.
thesuperfunk
Member
Can anyone give any details of the Deja Vu mission yet?
Wow ... so he wasn't lying!
Wow ... so he wasn't lying!
NotMyRealName
Banned
i read all of that in their voices and it didn't seem remotely out of place.
Wait, damn. How stupid am I? I didn't adjust the dialogue for Kiefer's Snake. Did you know he gets paid by the syllable?
Replace anything more the 3 words long with a "Kaz?", or a guttural groan.
That was beautiful.
so i've been thinking about the gdc trailer from last year
remember the part where snake looks out of the chopper? he seems to have the post-explosion injuries but not only is that shot not present in the ground zeroes ending at all, but now it has the context of those injuries happening after motherbase being sunk.
anybody else think the ending stopping short of showing the chopper crash is a fakeout? the fact it fades to white right before the crash is kinda weird.
then again maybe the shot in the gdc trailer was just for the purposes of showing off the facial animation, and the fading to white in the ending of ground zeroes was to ensure the phantom pain has a very front-loaded introduction by opening with the crash
remember the part where snake looks out of the chopper? he seems to have the post-explosion injuries but not only is that shot not present in the ground zeroes ending at all, but now it has the context of those injuries happening after motherbase being sunk.
anybody else think the ending stopping short of showing the chopper crash is a fakeout? the fact it fades to white right before the crash is kinda weird.
then again maybe the shot in the gdc trailer was just for the purposes of showing off the facial animation, and the fading to white in the ending of ground zeroes was to ensure the phantom pain has a very front-loaded introduction by opening with the crash
Graphics Horse
Member
Didn't it also look like the sky was getting brighter in that shot? Hmm. edit: maybe not, it's quite bright behind all the smoke too.
Good point about that, it's very strange given it looks like it's going out of control.
Red Blaster
Member
is kaz frank underwood