Wait, doesn't that just refer to Chico? Unless it's that extraction trophy. Might have to track him to see what happens just out of curiosity now.
MGSV: Ground Zeroes - Spoilers Thread - #TeamBowie
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Wait, doesn't that just refer to Chico? Unless it's that extraction trophy. Might have to track him to see what happens just out of curiosity now.
It's not scripted. I found this prisoner and carried him back for retrieval then a trophy popped out. I didn't even know he was about to be executed.
That's one thing I like about this game. Things happen somewhere on the base even without you like some dialogue that you may very well miss because you weren't there when it was happening.
I understand that's a concern. My original point was more about whether Kiefer is effective at delivering emotion, which I think we should hold off on until there's more to chew on.
But if we're going to talk about whether he'll speak a lot in TPP compared to previous games, I think we're forgetting the long stretches of total silence Snake has had previously (especially in MGS4, where he was given five lines in the final 30 minute cutscene) that few criticized as Gosling-ing.
And, to play devil's advocate, I guess I'd take Kiefer Snake's supposed silence over Hayter Snake's much-parodied questioning of everything ("A HIND D?" "A SURVEILLANCE CAMERA?").
You just proved my point though about preemption. Maybe the reason why "he needed somebody who could express shit with their face for the mocap" was for particular scenes in TPP, and NOT in GZ, which is why it's silly to judge his reasoning at this time.
Just looked it up on YouTube and in-game. While I don't have the patience to go unnoticed right now to see if the scene has a special waterboarding animation it's definitely scripted. The prisoner in question doesn't spawn in the level until you rescue Chico.
XANDER CAGE
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I definitely got guys to stop spawning while dicking around on The Renedage Threat. No idea if it happens in every mission, though. It's a cool little detail.
I do actually wonder if there were any sort of budgetary constraints with Kiefer that could have affected the writing somewhat, although it's a bit early to tell and you'd think Konami would basically be writing blank checks for Kojima at this point.
I really wish Boss spoke more and Miller would shut the hell up, though. Their amount of lines seriously needs to be swapped, it's hard to explore and have fun in the side missions when Miller keeps calling you up to talk about THE FINGER and THE EYE
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Might have also been cut from the final product. There's plenty example of that all trhoughout the series' history, with the E3 2001 Tanker escape sequence where you run away from water being the most well known.
Played all the side ops. There was no little cutscene like that. Maybe it's in the actual GZ mission but that is set at night.
mullet2000
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Shit, I didn't even think of that. I bet you're right.
So I was reading through the MGSV Gameinformer article, and I noticed something strange. When Kojima is asked about what happens while BB is in the coma, he says that the nature of his coma won't be revealed until late in the game. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote from the magazine though, but if I can maybe we can dissect that a little bit (if it hasn't been already).
I was under the impression that the end of Ground Zeroes is what causes the coma?
I was under the impression that the end of Ground Zeroes is what causes the coma?
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
9 years is enough for Chico to grow old enough to impersonate Big Boss...
He specified that BB only goes through one (1) coma, not more than one. The reason it's even mentioned is because it's commonly thought that during the Les Enfants Teribles project Big Boss was in a coma, but that started in 1972 according to Snake Eater which is of course 3 years before this new coma. The old coma could have been a translation error, however, or it will be retconned. Or option C is that this guy isn't Big Boss at all...
Hmm...interesting. I'm really curious to see if the Punished Snake theories end up being true.
It was (well, either that or the translator decided to change that on a whim). The Japanese version didn't say anything about a coma.
plasmawave
Banned
That is correct.
OK, soooo... the other bomb was in Paz's
private par
Man, XOF isn't messing around aren't they?
That ending was some pretty dark stuff.
I was under that impression too but there was some scenes in one of TPP's trailers (E3 or GDC) that showed an injured Big Boss in a helicopter that seemed to be after the ending of Ground Zeroes. Even in the trailers, while Big Boss is in the hospital, didn't show that he has a horn. The horn thing probably happened after the attack on the hospital.
I actually enjoyed the amount of dialog that's in Ground Zeroes, it feels more genuine and grounded. MGS4 could be titled "Talking matches, the Videogame". Seriously, the conversations in MGS4 are so long winded that the seriousness and gravity of those conversations are diminished. I would actually prefer if Phantom Pain is just as brisk as Ground Zeroes in that regard.
As for the Kiefer vs. Hayter thing, I prefer Kiefer. Its nice to have something new and different, Big Boss feels like a different character now, and a better one at that. Some of the fanbase for Metal Gear seem rabid when it comes to Hayter and Solid Snake in general.
As for the Kiefer vs. Hayter thing, I prefer Kiefer. Its nice to have something new and different, Big Boss feels like a different character now, and a better one at that. Some of the fanbase for Metal Gear seem rabid when it comes to Hayter and Solid Snake in general.
If you refer to the 1984 section, you can actually "see" the horn under the bandages.
I don't really think it works because it seems like Kaz doesn't ever shut up. Other trailers made it sound like Big Boss had turned into a quasi-silent protagonist whereas everybody else was as talkative as ever.
I actually tried to check for the horn and I couldn't see it. Not even a bump to the bandage can be seen clearly. Do you have an image of it?
bigboss370
Member
Yeah, I believe so...the sickening realization also is that the "v" theme the enemy has going on implies as such...
I really wanna know who this new villain is. He went after big boss and he's going after Cipher/Zero...he had chico's ankles pierced with bolts, tortured the hell out of paz, also maybe responsible for Kaz's situation in Phantom Pain trailer...he is gruesome.
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also, we're pretty sure that Les Enfants Terribles took place before Ground Zeroes right? Skull Face even mentions how Cipher disappeared after his "grand experiment".
Miller does talk a lot in Ground Zeroes, but remember, there is no tutorial outright. There really needs to be a option to turn off audio help, because most of Miller's dialog is for the controls.
As for everyone talking more than Big Boss, the Miller rescue mission in The Phantom Pain seems to be done completely alone. There might be some radio feedback from Ocelot, but that mission seems to be pretty somber when it comes radio support.
plasmawave
Banned
Les Enfants Terribles took place somewhere after MGS3 and before PW. I don't know the exact year.
Keifer just sounds like a random voice actor from Guild Wars 2... nothing special. I can hardly tell he's the one even talking apart from the other voices in the game, it's so generic. At least Hayter actually cared enough to make it distinct. This is awful. After GZ my the hype I had for TPP is actually way lower. Game looks amazing but delivery is much more generic this time around. This is the first time I have not really felt the "thrill" of playing a new MGS game. My hair raised and heart actually started beating faster during the opening of MGS4 between the visuals, voice and the music. Not this time. I felt disappointment.
One downside to Ground Zeroes that stands out on repeated playthroughs is the low variety in AIs encountered. Only prisoners and guards. In MGS3 there's scientists, engineers, officers in addition to the KGB, GRU, and Ocelot soldiers. Even just having Skull Face leave behind some of his goons to keep an eye on the situation would've been nice. Wouldn't require much content creation. But what I really wanted was to find that dude giving orders on the radio.
Why does he need bandages after 9 years?
You can't really expect that much variety in a small game/demo like Ground Zeroes. I mean not even the entire base can be explored. Hopefully that is fixed in TPP.
Is there any articulation online yet as to the pretty blatant symbolism in GZ? E.g. the cut in Paz's stomach being in a V shape, the peace-branded bomb thrown out the door, Paz's violent bomb impregnation leading to the birth of the new Snake and Kaz.
To keep the horn secret!
Graniny Gorki is probably smaller/shorter and has the variety I mentioned.
Yes, but then again, remember his reaction right after the attack on Mother Base (compared to Big Boss' sedated one) and his speech about his pain over his fallen comrades, etc in the trailers. Shouldn't Big Boss be in the same boat? It's like he's doing/saying all that for the both of them.
1972.
Why indeed.
mullet2000
Member
I pretty much agree on both accounts, yeah. The amount of dialogue was fine. Probably a bit too much Kaz dialogue, but a lot was tutorializing so I can let that slide.
I thought Kiefer was fine. Big Boss is getting older, and in The Phantom Pain he's going to be a full 9 years older than this game. His voice is going to change a bit from 33ish (MGS3) to his late 40s and early 50s.
Like...I get it if someone may prefer Hayter. It's a big change. What I don't get is the people going "Oh man Kiefer is just awful." I don't hear that at all.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
Member
Damn, Chico is gonna be a changed character in The Phantom Pain, huh?
The deaths of Paz and over 300 of his comrades in Mother Base, Kaz and Snake injured, all weighing on his conscience...
Well, assuming he survived the crash too.
The deaths of Paz and over 300 of his comrades in Mother Base, Kaz and Snake injured, all weighing on his conscience...
Well, assuming he survived the crash too.
If a certain theory is correct, you could say that indeed. ^^
Nice catch!
Sutherland isn't bothering me as much as I thought, Big Boss does need his own voice though and the change does make sense as we could possibly see Solid/Liquid in TPP. What are we thinking on TPP opening? Hospital>rescued by Ocelot>Afghanistan rescue mission? TPP is now my most wanted video game. Damnit Kojima, Ground Zeroes just made the wait that much worse.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Does anyone else think its cool that Outer Heaven in Phantom Pain still maintains the whole Big Shell aesthetic? Despite watching the e3 trailer dozens of times it just hit me today.
It really drives home even more the fact that Raiden and Solidus were proxies of Solid Snake and Big Boss.
It really drives home even more the fact that Raiden and Solidus were proxies of Solid Snake and Big Boss.
TickleMeElbow
Member
Anyone else get the classified tape in that one side op mission without even meeting the informant?
I was in one of the basement rooms in the admin building (not the one where you rescue Paz, but the other one) on my way to see if anyone would be in the room where Paz was held, interrogated a random guard, and he just dropped the tape. Miller radioed me and was basically like "I wonder how he got a hold the tape? Whatever you can leave now". I was like "okay...", got to an extraction point and completed the mission lol.
I thought that was pretty cool, but missed out on the informant part.
I was in one of the basement rooms in the admin building (not the one where you rescue Paz, but the other one) on my way to see if anyone would be in the room where Paz was held, interrogated a random guard, and he just dropped the tape. Miller radioed me and was basically like "I wonder how he got a hold the tape? Whatever you can leave now". I was like "okay...", got to an extraction point and completed the mission lol.
I thought that was pretty cool, but missed out on the informant part.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I killed 47 guards on my first runthrough and I only saw less than a third of the base. There were alerts because I was just gunning my way through, though. I hate respawns in games. Hate.
Still, it's not nearly as bad as MGSIV. There was a part just before Laughing Octopus where I killed over 500 guys before I found out where the invisible line was that you have to cross to get them to stop coming.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The informant doesnt have the tape anyway. He points you to another direction on the base when you interrogate him. And get this: its implied there is more than one tape in that mission. Maybe you inadvertantly found the second.
Chuck Norris
Banned
You must have interrogated the right guy, nice touch from Kojima lol
TheKaeptain
Banned
The identity of the undercover soldier you have to extract cracked me up.
TickleMeElbow
Member
Huh.
I think that's what happened. Going to play that mission again to try and get both tapes next time.
Did anyone else feel that Kojima was making metacommentary on MGS, as he often does, with regards to Paz and the game in general? Puts one of the silliest joke characters (whose characteristics were probably chosen solely for the Japanese teen boy demographic PW wanted) through what is perhaps the most disturbing incident of torture in all of video games as the catalyst for Snake's story, as well as the new direction of the Metal Gear series. I also think this is the reason for the blunt War on Terror references, it's using those as an analogy for Kojima's own unsatisfaction with being forced apply his serious ideas to another installment of his glorified anime series.
I don't think it was as concious as that.
I just think he had to get rid of the possibility of this sort of shit returning, and Kiefer seeing it.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Listening to Chico's tapes...
Did Skullface rape Paz and forced Chico to bang her? And did he put the second bomb in her vagina?
OMG
Did Skullface rape Paz and forced Chico to bang her? And did he put the second bomb in her vagina?
OMG
Holy shit. I've not listened to the tapes yet, but fucking hell.
Skull Face should put this on his torture mixtape.
KittenMaster
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The master of trolling, Kojima, had managed to retroactively make this adorable and upbeat music video very dark and grim.