MGSV: Ground Zeroes - Spoilers Thread - #TeamBowie

Everything before the credits is pretty much what we already knew.
Paz was as good as dead as soon as they showed the scene of the bomb extraction in the Red Band trailer.
It's what's at the end of the credits that's interesting. Best end credits twist ever in my opinion, unless Kojima is just yanking our chain here.
I was pretty steadfastly one to believe that XOF's goal was to break Big Boss until he rejoined the Patriots, but this new angle, that XOF is a rogue agency broken off of the Patriots is very interesting.

Skullface seems to be more than any of us imagined. "I've never known choice, where I was born, the language I speak, I never had the freedom to choose for myself." Kojima said this game dealt with themes of race and revenge, yes? Well, it seems perhaps the E3 trailer's "all for revenge" cutouts may be in reference to both Big Boss and Skullface.

Skullface could have been discriminated against like Gray Fox was in Vietnam for being half White. Or, who is to say that Skullface is white, he's an extreme burn victim, and it might be more difficult to tell his race than we think.

He could just be interrogating Paz for this information just to be sure she has moved to Big Boss' side, and once he knows she is against the Patriots, can kill her. But I don't think that is the case. Skullface talks about how Paz is "free", that she can "do as [she] wants".

Does this mean she decided to go along with, and die for Skullface's plan, in order to push Big Boss to rebel against Cipher/Zero? I don't know, but this little twist, that Skullface may in fact be a third party who seeks revenge on Zero is the best thing about Ground Zeroes in my opinion.

Also, Cipher's "Grand experiment" sounds like Les Enfants Terribles to me. More hinting that it's going to finally come into play here.
 
I liked the fake ending where another bomb was inside Chico and the game cuts to black at the hospital scene when the beeping gets louder.
 
ichtyander said:
Here's a transcript of the post credits dialogue if anyone's interested:

Skull Face: "Your favorite song. Nicola. Bart. Immigrants, wrongly executed. But their deaths served as a message to others. That ours is a society that murders the innocent. Do you too believe your sacrifice will change the world?"

*The song "Here's to you, Nicola and Bart" is playing.

Skull Face: "Cipher has been hiding ever since his grand experiment. No one's seen him in years. All we hear are orders delivered by proxy. Except you. You met with him, face to face, in order to contact Big Boss. Tell me where he is. Where is Cipher? Where is Zero?"

Skull Face: "I've never known choice. Where I was born, the language I speak, I never had the freedom to choose for myself. But you, right now, are free. Do as you will."

Paz: "This will save Big Boss?"

Skull Face: "It may."

Paz: "Will you really kill Zero for me?"

Skull Face: "Not for you."

Paz: "Alright. Zero is..." *sound of door slamming shut*
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That's awesome.
 
The Silver said:
I liked the fake ending where another bomb was inside Chico and the game cuts to black at the hospital scene when the beeping gets louder.
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Ditto, but I'll take this ending if the other didn't have the end credits sequence. Seriously adds a really unique way to interpret and speculate on
Skullface's motivations
.
 
The one problem I have with the voice acting is that Kaz's and Snake's voice are really similar.

Anyway, that was pretty lame, and I wish Paz would've taken Chico with her, make the deletion of Peace Walker even more complete.
 
Valkyri von Thanatos said:
Everything before the credits is pretty much what we already knew.
Paz was as good as dead as soon as they showed the scene of the bomb extraction in the Red Band trailer.
It's what's at the end of the credits that's interesting. Best end credits twist ever in my opinion, unless Kojima is just yanking our chain here.
I was pretty steadfastly one to believe that XOF's goal was to break Big Boss until he rejoined the Patriots, but this new angle, that XOF is a rogue agency broken off of the Patriots is very interesting.

Skullface seems to be more than any of us imagined. "I've never known choice, where I was born, the language I speak, I never had the freedom to choose for myself." Kojima said this game dealt with themes of race and revenge, yes? Well, it seems perhaps the E3 trailer's "all for revenge" cutouts may be in reference to both Big Boss and Skullface.

Skullface could have been discriminated against like Gray Fox was in Vietnam for being half White. Or, who is to say that Skullface is white, he's an extreme burn victim, and it might be more difficult to tell his race than we think.

He could just be interrogating Paz for this information just to be sure she has moved to Big Boss' side, and once he knows she is against the Patriots, can kill her. But I don't think that is the case. Skullface talks about how Paz is "free", that she can "do as [she] wants".

Does this mean she decided to go along with, and die for Skullface's plan, in order to push Big Boss to rebel against Cipher/Zero? I don't know, but this little twist, that Skullface may in fact be a third party who seeks revenge on Zero is the best thing about Ground Zeroes in my opinion.

Also, Cipher's "Grand experiment" sounds like Les Enfants Terribles to me. More hinting that it's going to finally come into play here.
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He laments that he's not free and then goes about doing what he wants. lol
 
Valkyri von Thanatos said:
Everything before the credits is pretty much what we already knew.
Paz was as good as dead as soon as they showed the scene of the bomb extraction in the Red Band trailer.
It's what's at the end of the credits that's interesting. Best end credits twist ever in my opinion, unless Kojima is just yanking our chain here.
I was pretty steadfastly one to believe that XOF's goal was to break Big Boss until he rejoined the Patriots, but this new angle, that XOF is a rogue agency broken off of the Patriots is very interesting.

Skullface seems to be more than any of us imagined. "I've never known choice, where I was born, the language I speak, I never had the freedom to choose for myself." Kojima said this game dealt with themes of race and revenge, yes? Well, it seems perhaps the E3 trailer's "all for revenge" cutouts may be in reference to both Big Boss and Skullface. Skullface could have been discriminated against like Gray Fox was in Vietnam for being half White. Or, who is to say that Skullface is white, he's an extreme burn victim, and it might be more difficult to tell his race than we think.
He could just be interrogating Paz for this information just to be sure she has moved to Big Boss' side, and once he knows she is against the Patriots, can kill her. But I don't think that is the case. Skullface talks about how Paz is "free", that she can "do as [she] wants". Does this mean she decided to go along with, and die for Skullface's plan, in order to push Big Boss to rebel against Cipher/Zero? I don't know, but this little twist, that Skullface may in fact be a third party who seeks revenge on Zero is the best thing about Ground Zeroes in my opinion.
Also, Cipher's "Grand experiment" sounds like Les Enfants Terribles to me. More hinting that it's going to finally come into play here.
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Yeah, Skull Face sounds like someone who's immensely pissed at Zero and either really wants him dead or wants to take his place. He might also be even more closely tied to Big Boss, maybe as a failed protege of Zero or just someone who suffered much because of Zero's disappointment with Big Boss that sent him on this dangerous path of creating the Les Enfants Terrible project and The Patriots AI.

As for the whole reason for rigging Paz, I'm not really sure what happens there. Wasn't one of the points of Peace Walker to show that Big Boss didn't want anything to do with Zero anymore? What more of a push did he need?

Why is Skull Face destroying Mother Base in the first place? To lure out Zero out of hiding? Zero isn't exactly in good terms with Big Boss by this point. Killing Big Boss could be a personal message to Zero, "you're next" etc. Paz's question "This will save Big Boss?" sounds like what's coming is inevitable, Big Boss WILL die but telling him Zero's location "might save Big Boss"

Pretty tired right now, can't remember some details about Skull Face from earlier, was his military force confirmed to be Russian (something about the uniforms or weapons)?
 
Man, I love MGS. Look at the last few pages and the speculation that every single game and trailer brings. Even this prologue, that so many wanted to brush aside, is overflowing with bits of info that caused us to speculate.

Glorious. Best story in gaming, imo.
 
The credits show that Kaz's motion capture actor is the guy who posted this photo back in 2012, actor Eric Bossick.

Eric+Bossick.jpg


He said back then that he was not playing Snake, but an ally of his.
 
ichtyander said:
Yeah, Skull Face sounds like someone who's immensely pissed at Zero and either really wants him dead or wants to take his place.
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I'm guessing, since he talks about how "no one has heard from him since", "all we hear are orders delivered by proxy" suggests he is "officially" in league with Cipher. I see the most likely scenario being that he is not a failed protege or someone close to Big Boss, simply a victim of the terrible "means to an end" that the Patriots use to achieve their domination. Either that or he is someone who realizes the evils they commit have no justification, and thinks the "memes of the Boss" should end, thus attempting to kill everyone who may try to follow her will.

He may understand the Boss' original will, as too I think Quiet will (Kojima said she is "the main hero/heroine" after all), but also know that neither Big Boss and Zero are going to achieve her ideal by following the paths they are taking, world domination versus purposeless war mongering. He probably predicts that Big Boss and Zero will do far more evil than good, and he takes it upon himself to "return them to zero".

I think he is probably a direct victim of Cipher's exploitation of third world countries (probably the African country Big Boss will operate in late in the story), and may have been in a similar situation to Gray Fox in Vietnam, I also believe this will tie into the "blood diamonds" motif, and that potentially he wishes to stop the Patriots from amassing funds by inciting internal wars, which he sees MSF as helping instigate with their success as mercenaries. Certainly Diamond Dogs will be dabbling in the business.

Of course, the "noble" cause of aiming to prevent tyrants is just another excuse in order to satisfy his desire for vengeance, but he may not realize this until his death, giving a foreboding prediction near the end of the game. Something like:

An eye for an eye. You and him, are destined to bring ruin to yourselves and everyone around you. All who seek to settle the score, perish alone. You have your "family" of soldier's, but you will die alone.
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The music when they're retreating into the helicopter is fucking fantastic. I hope TPP is this good in the audio department. Also, from what little I've heard, the alert music seems to be good, I just hope the themes are as memorable as the older games. 4 had some really generic, forgettable tracks.
 
Heh, guess the Skullface tape pretty much confirms
remote country origin, victim of oppression, burnt at young age so unclear what his race is.
This makes him a lot more interesting than I thought he would be, didn't even consider he could be
against the Patriots.
 
I wonder what publishers will do to stop future leaks. GTA V leaked but that arguably helped the game. This leak could hurt MGSV in terms of value proposition. Someone might watch a stream and wait for the definitive MGS V edition. Konami could release a GOTY edition with all DLC. I hope they Borderlands this game while plotting the next game. They could add DLC bases and reuse the same code in some parts. Mother Base seems big so I hope for expansions through DLC.

I've upgraded my decision to future purchase after someone uploads a bullet point list of stuff to do in GZ. I love the fact stealth is an option.
 
Hey guys, I suggest you don't try to find out about the audio tapes before the game comes out if you really want to be surprised by disturbing information. Seriously, did the journalists hear this tape after they beat their version of the game?

Really, really f***ed up. Abandon thread all who wish to be truly shocked when they find all the audio tapes.

Edit: Skullface went from becoming a newly interesting and possibly justified villain into the most despicable villain in Metal Gear in the span of a day for me. Really fuels that revenge man.
 
What if Skull Face is a failed clone of BB. They tried to incinerate him, but he escaped somehow which would be what's fueling his hatred of Zero.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiuPP3pYPRA
MGSV music

In order that I recognize them,
1 -Zone Of The Enders: Beyond the bounds K A R Y Y N - Eshericks Remix
2- Heavens Divide Orchestral Remix
3- Love Deterrence acoustic version
4- Encounter (some kind of reprisal type remix)
5- Flight of the Valkyries
6- Here's to you Nicola and Bart
7- Encounter MGS1
8- That one song from MG1 I always forget the name of
 
4 is Peace Walker's Main Theme from the PW Medley featured on 25th Anniv CD
8 is "Theme of Tara" from Metal Gear 1.

Also, no official OST release so far for this entry in the game?
 
Not Spaceghost said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiuPP3pYPRA
MGSV music

In order that I recognize them,
1 -Zone Of The Enders: Beyond the bounds K A R Y Y N - Eshericks Remix
2- Heavens Divide Orchestral Remix
3- Love Deterrence acoustic version
4- Encounter (some kind of reprisal type remix)
5- Flight of the Valkyries
6- Here's to you Nicola and Bart
7- Encounter MGS1
8- That one song from MG1 I always forget the name of
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Dat first track. I am in!
 
Not Spaceghost said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiuPP3pYPRA
MGSV music

In order that I recognize them,
1 -Zone Of The Enders: Beyond the bounds K A R Y Y N - Eshericks Remix
2- Heavens Divide Orchestral Remix
3- Love Deterrence acoustic version
4- Encounter (some kind of reprisal type remix)
5- Flight of the Valkyries
6- Here's to you Nicola and Bart
7- Encounter MGS1
8- That one song from MG1 I always forget the name of
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Dat first song damn.
 
Valkyri von Thanatos said:
Hey guys, I suggest you don't try to find out about the audio tapes before the game comes out if you really want to be surprised by disturbing information. Seriously, did the journalists hear this tape after they beat their version of the game?

Really, really f***ed up. Abandon thread all who wish to be truly shocked when they find all the audio tapes.

Edit: Skullface went from becoming a newly interesting and possibly justified villain into the most despicable villain in Metal Gear in the span of a day for me. Really fuels that revenge man.
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Yeah I just read about that, it's quite extreme.

I haven't watched any new video but I know a little bit about what happens in the game, I'm trying hard not to completely spoil myself!
 
Valkyri von Thanatos said:
Hey guys, I suggest you don't try to find out about the audio tapes before the game comes out if you really want to be surprised by disturbing information. Seriously, did the journalists hear this tape after they beat their version of the game?

Really, really f***ed up. Abandon thread all who wish to be truly shocked when they find all the audio tapes.

Edit: Skullface went from becoming a newly interesting and possibly justified villain into the most despicable villain in Metal Gear in the span of a day for me. Really fuels that revenge man.
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tell me

ok I just read some stuff,
Chico is forced to rape Paz while SkullFace watches

Is that it, if so then goddamn Skully.
 
Rape and shit.

Sooooo.

Vagina bomb?

God dayum. Skullface is one crazy fucker.

Why are you people using spoilers in the spoiler thread? You're making me do it and I don't like it.
 
t this new angle, that XOF is a rogue agency broken off of the Patriots is very interesting
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I disagree, someone burning down the world to take a swipe at the Patriots has been the plot in so many Metal Gear games. Solidus in MGS2, Ocelot in MGS4, Armstrong in MGR (at their remnants at least).
 
rvy said:
Why are you people using spoilers in the spoiler thread? You're making me do it and I don't like it.
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because people might stumble in here for a quick browse and accidentally get a load of spoilers

besides, the game isn't widely available either.

r.e: paz and chico tapes

wow there's some real crazy shit in those. implied rape was big but then it changed into skullface making chico rape paz to break him and took a really disturbing twist. it's not gratuitous though, they take a very solid 'less is more' approach with this.

skullface is really quite interesting, doing ocelot-level manipulation by playing paz off chico and turning them against each other, breaking chico to the point where he's the one torturing her, baiting big boss into coming to the base. he really is a sick fuck.
 
Spaghetti said:
because people might stumble in here for a quick browse and accidentally get a load of spoilers

besides, the game isn't widely available either.

r.e: paz and chico tapes

wow there's some real crazy shit in those. implied rape was big but then it changed into skullface making chico rape paz to break him and took a really disturbing twist. it's not gratuitous though, they take a very solid 'less is more' approach with this.

skullface is really quite interesting, doing ocelot-level manipulation by playing paz off chico and turning them against each other, breaking chico to the point where he's the one torturing her, baiting big boss into coming to the base. he really is a sick fuck.
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So much potential. High hopes for TPP.

Kojimmy wasn't fucking around when he said the game would have controversial themes surrounding it.
 
rvy said:
So much potential. High hopes for TPP.

Kojimmy wasn't fucking around when he said the game would have controversial themes surrounding it.
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it was really quite subtle for a usually flamboyant and overblown series.

i wonder how the media will react.
 
RaikuHebi said:
Yes that is definitely Volgin.
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Whilst not his VA I can just tell Kojima has been giving him directions to imitate Volgin's voice in some ways.
It wouldn't be too far fetched for him to be alive anyway. The burns add up to what happened to him at the end of MGS3, also him appearing in that TPP trailer couldn't just be mere coincidence.
 
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