While I'm not white, your post is pretty stupid. That is all.
Thanks for your great, thoughtful input.
I'm not white, and I think your post is pretty stupid.
See how that works?
While I'm not white, your post is pretty stupid. That is all.
These competitive players typically have a superiority complex.
Other people's feelings be damned, as long as they have a high Skill Rating.
So yeah, I assume many of them are white and straight.
Thanks for your great, thoughtful input.
I'm not white, and I think your post is pretty stupid.
See how that works?
I find humor in the fact that the these are affectively the first assumptions and, effectively, attacks being made in this thread based on race, sex, and sexual orientation. Quite the double standard.
When I repeatedly stated my position that there should be zero tolerance for offensive online behavior, but that I personally don't give a shit if someone insults me online, but that I have a bad time if I have a trolling/non-contributing/selfish teammate.
But by all means, continue to make your assumptions, whatever fits your narrative.
I mean you're attacking people based on their skin color and sexual orientation. There is no logic in that.
The thing with this is, how do you even tell how effective it's being? I've reported a handful of random jerks but then... how can you tell if they're banned, or if you just don't run into them via matchmaking again?
I guess it's easy to tell on Blizzard's end, but as a consumer, even if they are banning every dickhead they detect, it simply seems as if there is a bottomless well of them
I find humor in the fact that the these are affectively the first assumptions and, effectively, attacks being made in this thread based on race, sex, and sexual orientation. Quite the double standard.
What do you care? After all, you made sure to clarify to us that none of this is as bad as picking a less-than-optimal character in Comp.
Yes, because white straight males face so much discrimination!
SMH
Yes, because white straight males face so much discrimination!
SMH
Oh yeah cause that makes it ok. Sure.Yes, because white straight males face so much discrimination!
SMH
How exactly? If A says "Fuck you, you suck you bitch!" to B and then B reported it to the developer, only after that then the "voice recognition technology" is activated to record A and A only every time he logs on to the game? So, after the harassment is being made?
And what would happen if B said A is lying? The same system should then be also activated to record A every time she logs in and use voice chat? What about if there's actually another person using the same console but they use A or B account? Should the developer require them to give consent as well before start recording? And how do you actually propose such a "simple voice recognition technology" be implemented in a scale of millions of players like Overwatch?
Cheating can be detected since they can be viewed from the developers side.
How do you monitor for trolls/harassers though? Unless you implement a technology that actively records every players' voice or something like that, but is something like that even possible? Not to mention how big of invasion of privacy that sort of thing would become.
In CS if you report someone for cheating and they end up being vac banned the game tells you that a person you reported was banned for cheating. I'm sure it's possible to implement the same thing for griefers/harassers.
Reporting is always going to feel pointless with current tech though because for popular games it's going to be automated, and if X person doesn't get enough reports attached to their name (whatever that number is) nothing will be done.
People who harass in online games are usually repeat offenders, so recording after the fact is hardly an issue.
If "A" is lying, then recording a voice chat would uncover nothing.
In your scenario, if "B" was the instigator, I would assume "B" would have also reported "A".
If you've given your account to another person to do whatever the hell they want unsupervised? Yeah, sorry, that's why accounts are considered to be for individuals.
If they can put voice recognition into my smartphone, the technology can't have the kind of overhead you imagine it does.
So you are mad because you expect the developer to do something impossible that you also don't know how to implement in a realistic scenario.
Okay then, "champ."
My "100% support" of people being nicer is in real life, where it would be most effective. People being shitty online is an extension of failures in their real life. People who talk shit online either also do it in real life or at the very least think the same in real life as well (but might not do it because of legal repercussions, which I support in real life). I don't consider online gaming to be the same as real life though, just like I don't think killing people in games makes me want to kill people in real life.
If you want to separate general shit talk (ie "you suck at this game, you're a fucking idiot" etc.) from personal shit talk (ie "women should be in the kitchen", racist insults, etc.) that's fine and punishments should be dealt for personal shit talk (reporting systems and temp/permanent bans). I don't think there should be any punishments for general shit talk though.
If you think someone saying personal shit talk online (or general as well) should be visited by their local police, then like I said earlier that's ok that's a valid opinion to have, I just disagree and think that's Orwellian.
Lots of people support this conduct even here on GAF. Not in this thread obviously and the few that are will make lots of disclaimers to avoid getting banned, but in a more neutrally worded thread on Overwatch' community the general consensus seemed to be that getting under your opponent's skin with incendiary trash talking was an integral and welcome part of the meta game.
The only thing you can do about it is to speak with your wallet. I'm not buying Overwatch. You shouldn't have either.
You're the only one claiming it's impossible. You're asking me for details on how to curb harassment and I don't got the answers for you, mostly cause it isn't my job to have the answers. I don't work for Blizzard. But as a consumer of a product I can definitely make demands, especially if my enjoyment of a product is hampered by faulty design.
I know you thought you were making a point. But you didn't. I know Blizzard is profitable enough to hire somebody to figure this out, and you really can't argue that
I am sorry, I just can't see that ever happening, at least not for any foreseeable future. It's just not a realistic solution at all, especially if you are talking about the scale of millions of people like Overwatch or League of Legends.
To me. In my personal online experiences, I'd rather someone insult me and call me the worst, nastiest thing they can think of, but play the game like a competent player.
Did you miss the part where I also said I know other people's sensitivities vary, and that's to be expected? Did you notice the part where I said I recognize this behavior as abhorrent and demeaning and would never do any of it myself/do not condone/report anyone who does?
It's like you only read what you want, and ignore everything else.
Choosing to play an ineffective hero and refusing to adapt to help your team in a competitive game mode is far more egregious toxic behavior, IMO. So is misunderstanding the medal system and using it to justify your toxic, selfish, non-contributive behavior.
Does this mean people are entitled to being insulting towards OP? Nah, not acceptable under any circumstances. Are they entitled to being respectfully upset? Yup.
Choosing to ruin the game for 5 other people because you insist on being selfish and playing a hero that isn't contributing to your teams success is toxic IMO, yes. Especially when you think you're contributing just fine because "muh gold medals". It upsets me, personally, far more than being insulted over the internet.
Doesn't mean I'd ever insult anyone over it, because I find that behavior to also be abhorrent and wouldn't partake in it.
YMMV.
And where is that?
To clarify:
I think any sort of sexist, racist, demeaning, or otherwise offensive behavior in online games or otherwise is abhorrent and should be punished. I said this from the get-go.
To me personally, I'd rather be insulted and/or called names than have a non-contributing team member on my team. I can mute people and move on with life, if they're contributing to the game and we win, I'm happy.
Yes, I realize other people's sensitivities are different. Just giving my $0.02.
I'll re-state that I think this is off-topic and the discussion has probably gone on for long enough, but I'll continue to engage if others do so as to not be seen as 'backing out' of the discussion.
You know that, save for a few matches, Dunkey is editing in footage from different matches than the one where teammates are bitching, right? Just look at the map on the close-up of the voice prompt and then the subsequent footage.
I think people who bitch in spawn before the game even begins are toxic and shitty, no reason to tilt the entire team before even trying. But people who refuse to switch when they're actually not contributing are also terrible.
So the solution is do nothing. Gotcha.
Considering the money that's sunk into these games and the technology to achieve it doesn't have the overhead you believe it to in the slightest, you're going to have to give more than disbelief.
I am about 30% positive that both text chat reporting and game judging do literally nothing.
So the solution is do nothing. Gotcha.
Considering the money that's sunk into these games and the technology to achieve it doesn't have the overhead you believe it to in the slightest, you're going to have to give more than disbelief.
My solution is not to wait for companies to solve a social problem with tech, but to call out such behavior when it happens and let people know that people aren't okay with that sort of shit. Everyone can make a difference in their small way, one game at a time.
Sheeesh.
Not do "nothing" obviously, like for example developers should be encouraged to give people like Anita to have greater voice or presence in the gaming community, or to create events to educate gamers on the virtue of proper online interaction, stuff like that.
Demanding developers to do or chase something that is simply unrealistic is not going to help solve matters, that's all I am saying.
I am so tired of people whining about this and generalizing about gamers.
Firstly, kids and idiots anonymously being dicks in competetive situations, big surprise, is surely exclusively a gaming thing.
Secondly, with a little bit of effort the internet is a wonderful place to find groups and communities of likeminded people to play with who do not use discriminatory language, where one is safe from having to deal with randos. I am so tired of people whining about this and generalizing about gamers.
Use some common sense and understanding of human nature when traversing certain online spaces.
Firstly, kids and idiots anonymously being dicks in competetive situations, big surprise, is surely exclusively a gaming thing.
Secondly, with a little bit of effort the internet is a wonderful place to find groups and communities of likeminded people to play with who do not use discriminatory language, where one is safe from having to deal with randos. I am so tired of people whining about this and generalizing about gamers.
Use some common sense and understanding of human nature when traversing certain online spaces.
i'm so sorry
I am so tired of people whining about this and generalizing about gamers.
I agree with the post above, it is counter-productive to be toxic to the person being toxic. If you give him attention, he is going to get the satisfaction of being even more rude to others. If you sit back, mute him, let him talk to himself, there is a less chance he will ruin the game for others thus not wasting 15-20 minutes of our lives.
You're willing to be insulted by a random stranger over a video game where both are theoretically playing for fun.To me. In my personal online experiences, I'd rather someone insult me and call me the worst, nastiest thing they can think of, but play the game like a competent player.
Firstly, kids and idiots anonymously being dicks in competetive situations, big surprise, is surely exclusively a gaming thing.
Secondly, with a little bit of effort the internet is a wonderful place to find groups and communities of likeminded people to play with who do not use discriminatory language, where one is safe from having to deal with randos. I am so tired of people whining about this and generalizing about gamers.
Use some common sense and understanding of human nature when traversing certain online spaces.
Straight latino male. What's your point?
"If you're getting harrased, just go elsewhere !"
You keep saying it's "unrealistic", but haven't once quantified WHY that is. Also, see above.
Won't somebody please think of the gamers!?
Edit: I also like how you fail to mention how the people with the complaints are also...gamers...
You're willing to be insulted by a random stranger over a video game where both are theoretically playing for fun.
That's not thick skin, that's something else.
The lack of prioritizing empathy in some of your posts is something.
Straight Latino male here too. I'm a white Puerto Rican in the states. I usually don't experience Latino-directed bigotry to my face by random people, but it's when my last name comes up that things can get weird. I'm terrible at shaking off someone online calling me "stupid" but I can't shake off a slur. I'm fortunate in a way that my ethnicity is invisible if I chose to get on mic publicly. OP has many examples of minorities who can't get on mic and hide it. I can't help but feel for them,
I feel like I should address my GAF name - it was me taking control of an insult that hurt me around the time I made my account, I thought it was cute and that it only applied to me. I don't know if it really represents me anymore, and I get concerned that it might make people feel bad even with context, but that's the quick context.
what's your great idea how to solve this? Complaining on the internet? Good job.
I wish people would stop generalizing me.
Wait what do you mean "change my attitude"? Fuck off and find someone who cares!
Are you all blind to the actual suggestions?
Generalizing doesn't mean all, it means most. Of course the ones complaining think themselves and their friends are different, that's why I suggest community instead of anonymity.
Cheating can be detected since they can be viewed from the developers side.
How do you monitor for trolls/harassers though? Unless you implement a technology that actively records every players' voice or something like that, but is something like that even possible? Not to mention how big of invasion of privacy that sort of thing would become.
The fact that your only considerations is either punishments in terms of bans or the police going to someone's house says a lot. You only see it as someone else's problem, not your own. You don't see yourself being part of any solution, only what other people might have to do to correct this problem that has nothing to do with you. That's how you are directly contributing to the problem.
Either you take a stand and say no to online harassment, or you are party to it by inaction alone. If you play a game and see someone else harassing a player, if you just sit back and say nothing and do nothing because it's not your problem, then you sir, are part of the problem.
Isn't that what you did when you came into the thread?