One of the reasons why I rarely play multiplayer games and, when I do, do not use or listen to voice chat. Too many assholes out there and it's just frustrating.
I will say that I've had a surprisingly great experience playing Rainbow Six: Siege - it's been a while since I jumped in but, when I was playing, most people were always really great to play with and wanted to work as a team. Good times there.
So why are you so concerned about the generalization if you're not in the "most" category???
But I have. Short of actually actively recording the voice chat of all the players during all their gameplay sessions, which will be an utterly massive undertaking especially when we talk about millions of people and how much of ruckus that kind of thing would raise the alarm of privacy advocates everywhere, how would you realistically implement a system that can actively detect harassment through voice in a massive scale with great accuracy?
Not concerned, frustrated, because generally categorizing a broad group of people is never a good idea.
I'm glad you're more concerned about the victimizers being victimized, than the people who were actually victimized.
Like I said, activate only after being reported, since, as I stated, online harassers are usually repeat offenders.
You're being way too sensitive.. just saying. He was just giving GOOD advice.
Like I said, activate only after being reported, since, as I stated, online harassers are usually repeat offenders.
And again, you already waived your privacy rights. Overwatch specifically records text chat logs already when a person is reported. And it's not a private space, public voice chat in a video game is just like it sounds. A public setting. There's no right to privacy that can be claimed in the first place.
And again, I have a device in my pocket that can tell when I speak naughty words at it. There are consumer devices that can auto-translate into foreign languages. Recording, transcribing to text and sending to mods who review reported users with specific flagged instances? Not a huge undertaking. At all. Data already gets exchanged to Blizzard at a phenomenal rate, why would some voice recordings for the few reported users somehow break them as you imply?
Like I said, activate only after being reported, since, as I stated, online harassers are usually repeat offenders.
And again, you already waived your privacy rights. Overwatch specifically records text chat logs already when a person is reported. And it's not a private space, public voice chat in a video game is just like it sounds. A public setting. There's no right to privacy that can be claimed in the first place.
And again, I have a device in my pocket that can tell when I speak naughty words at it. There are consumer devices that can auto-translate into foreign languages. Recording, transcribing to text and sending to mods who review reported users with specific flagged instances? Not a huge undertaking. At all. Data already gets exchanged to Blizzard at a phenomenal rate, why would some voice recordings for the few reported users somehow break them as you imply?
Nothing has been done by either communities or developers to curb stomp problems like that. And the supply of young adolescent boys with shit personalities is constantly refreshed.How fucked up is it that it's been almost 20 years since counter strike and OG Starcraft started this shit and it's gotten literally no better. If anything it's gotten worse.
I'm glad you're more concerned about the victimizers being victimized, than the people who were actually victimized.
I've constatnly report toxic behavior and I've yet to get any follow up of any sorts so i doubt it.Does OW have something similar?
Actually that frustration applies in the same way to people generalizing about for example women and gaming wouldn't match and as such harrassing them is ok. But as I said in the edited version of that post, you're in a heightened emotional state and apparently must leave those emotions somewhere. It's fine, I can take it.
How fucked up is it that it's been almost 20 years since counter strike and OG Starcraft started this shit and it's gotten literally no better. If anything it's gotten worse.
I'm glad you're here to logically rationalize the frustration of being a non straight white guy in a public video game voice chat for us in an obvious state of hysteria. Whatever would we do without you.
I guess we'll just have to see. If it's really as easy as you say, than I am sure one of these days, soon, one of the big guys like Blizzard will implement such a system since it seems like it is such an ideal solution to catch and excise online harassers after all.
You're being way too sensitive.. just saying. He was just giving GOOD advice.
You must be pretty emotional right now.
Your input has been really amazing.
I'm glad you're here to logically rationalize the frustration of being a non straight white guy in a public video game voice chat for us in an obvious state of hysteria. Whatever would we do without you.
dota's report system is alright, but the actual punishment end of it is awful most of the time sinceDoesn't DOTA 2 have a pretty good report feature? I'm not 100% on how it works on the back end but if you report people you give a reason and then, if they are banned/punished etc, you get a note next time you log in saying action has been taken against another player.
That could be a text ban, a voice ban or time out of the game I think.
Does OW have something similar?
Like I said, publishers would actually need to truly desire a tolerant gaming environment, which I don't believe they do, since it would thin out their player base because people will believe it's their right to be shitstains on chat, and thus cost them money. And also forces them to acknowledge the problem and be accused of "OMG CENSORSHIP!". Easier to just put the onus on players, as is the norm for this industry.
dota's report system is alright, but the actual punishment end of it is awful most of the time since
1. it's completely automated (if you get reported enough times within a moving window, you'll get punished; there's no actual evaluation going on)
2. the punishment of being put into low priority queue is worthless (its rehabilitative/dissuasive effect is about zero based on how often repeat offenders get put back into it, and it's too short to keep them out of the general population, especially since you can pay for bot matches to expedite the process)
I dont know if I got the "good decent people" lottery or what but i have never had this problem. Anytime a girl gets on mic everyone treats her the same as anyone else. Not special, they dont even call out that shes a woman. They just treat her as a teammate. And this has happened tons of times. I have not yet heard a woman get discriminated against in game.
Is this a console thing maybe? Maybe the PC crowd are generally an older generation and know how to treat people with respect?
Kids have committed suicide as a result of cyber bullying, this isn't just about adults. There is no reason to accept or condone behavior online that we would reject and punish in person. Kid tells someone to kill themselves during recess you bet that has consequences, but suddenly it's okay because they did it over voice chat? Fuck off with that shit.
Bizarre nihilism on display whenever this issue comes up, as if the mere fact that because some people will always do bad things it means we shouldn't try to stop it from happening.
Fucking hell this sucks so much.
Overwatch is the first online multiplayer in which I've engaged with the community because even me as a guy I'm not into getting yelled at for whatever stupid reason, luckily this hasn't been an occurrence, even with women on the group.
Having said that, I came across a girl that said although the Overwatch community in Xbox is way less toxic than the Halo 5 one, she's still encounters those type of messages every now and then.
That's just sad.
The only thing you can do about it is to speak with your wallet. I'm not buying Overwatch. You shouldn't have either.
Choosing to play an ineffective hero and refusing to adapt to help your team in a competitive game mode is far more egregious toxic behavior, IMO.
Like I said, publishers would actually need to truly desire a tolerant gaming environment, which I don't believe they do, since it would thin out their player base because people will believe it's their right to be shitstains on chat, and thus cost them money. And also forces them to acknowledge the problem and be accused of "OMG CENSORSHIP!". Easier to just put the onus on players, as is the norm for this industry.
That was my point in the first place: the solution is available if they put any amount of thought into it, but they don't, ergo they aren't committed to making online gaming a tolerable environment, no matter what their PR says to the contrary.
Choosing to play an ineffective hero and refusing to adapt to help your team in a competitive game mode is far more egregious toxic behavior, IMO.
Then we get people making threads wondering why there seems to be less people willing to voice chat with randoms. This is the reason why.
Choosing to play an ineffective hero and refusing to adapt to help your team in a competitive game mode is far more egregious toxic behavior, IMO. So is misunderstanding the medal system and using it to justify your toxic, selfish, non-contributive behavior.
Does this mean people are entitled to being insulting towards OP? Nah, not acceptable under any circumstances. Are they entitled to being respectfully upset? Yup.
No, you're not. You're not 100% supportive of it. I'm not sure if you're even 1% supportive of it. Talk is cheap. What is already being done? I'll tell you what is already being done.
What is being done now is that people like Angry Fork (pro-tip: that's you) have an attitude that shit talking is the norm on the internet, and that racist, sexist, and other harassing forms of communication in online games is "fine" because there are tools available for victims to block/mute/report, and that the only other option is to "suck it up" whatever that means.
An attitude like this further normalizes such behavior and places the burden on victims to mitigate the bad experiences they have. That's a shitty attitude. The positive step is to have zero tolerance for people who are disrespectful and rude in public spaces. It's not enough to have laws and penalties. There should be social norms and expected behavior hammered into every decent person who wants to participate in society. When you hear about harassment, you don't go "lol I've been there done that, just suck it up, no big deal". It -is- a big deal. The fact that people still talk about this is evidence that it is a big deal. It means we as a gaming community on a whole have failed to make it such that when someone says something like that in a game, it is immediately condemned by everyone else on either team. That's the way it should be.
As a gamer I am ashamed that we tolerate the worst of us at all. The generalization is justified because we don't do enough to discourage it, and we let ourselves get defensive about it when criticized.
Things like this is why "games" never get any respect.
but have you ever tried signing out of twitter?Reading this thread and the catcalling one it's astounding how so many men's reactions to women complaining of harassment is to tell them to "suck it up". The lack of empathy and self-awareness is staggering. This thread is a dumpster fire honestly.
Choosing to play an ineffective hero and refusing to adapt to help your team in a competitive game mode is far more egregious toxic behavior, IMO. So is misunderstanding the medal system and using it to justify your toxic, selfish, non-contributive behavior.
Does this mean people are entitled to being insulting towards OP? Nah, not acceptable under any circumstances. Are they entitled to being respectfully upset? Yup.
but have you ever tried signing out of twitter?
Not to handwaive this or anything.
But with the internet, looking for group sites and apps on consoles, privacy controls, party chat and the good old mute button.
You kinda only have yourself to blame if your getting abused in voice chat.
Anytime I play I'm in a party with my friends so it's just us. On a system level I have all people who aren't friends or in the party blocked from communicating with me over voice.
In this day and age there's so many ways to block out random people's voices, that it's kind of your own fault if your listening to it.
Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially responsible for the harm that befell them.
Right.From Wikipedia