Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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splattered
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Interesting... Has any other country blocked it so far? If CMA really is the only regulatory body that comes to this conclusion I mean that seems like pretty strong evidence that they acted irrationally. If everything else falls in line the CMA's initial "final" decision may not be the nail in the coffin after all? Maaaan I don't want this to keep dragging out fjrieudbfheiehdb
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DeepEnigma
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DeepEnigma
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xCloud
Nothing is stopping Activision either. Work out some deals Jensen and stop staying butthurt over ARM.
zapper
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also, but I was talking about activision... I mean...kotick, meservey, thanks to this whole story, all activision managers haven't publicly faced (who knows how many) lawsuits for power and sexual abuse, there was even a suicide among the employees in abk... how can you accuse government bodies knowing what a mess you avoided
Topher
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That sounded like a hypothetical to me. I don't think the requirement is for another regulatory body to come to the same exact decision or else this one is irrational. This is a question that the CAT must answer based on findings provided by the CMA.
Nydius
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Nothing about the CMA's decision is "irrational" except in the eyes of fanboys who don't live in reality. It's clear the FTC has issues with it, otherwise they wouldn't be going to court. The EU doesn't seem terribly enthused by the prospect either.
The only four regulators that matter are US, UK, EU, and China. Any one of them can block it outright, and if more than one come out against it, it's well and truly buried.
So don't worry, you don't have to worry about it dragging out. It'll be fully dead and unresurrectable by June.
Unknown Soldier
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Congrats on page 900 guys 
I don't think we'll make it to page 1000 but who knows
I don't think we'll make it to page 1000 but who knows
SneakersSO
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No other country has done anywhere near the level of due diligence on this deal as the CMA has, in large part because it doesn't affect any of them outside of like, Japan maybe? The biggest markets this deal effects are US/UK/EU. US has already sued to block the deal, so yes - in effect another country has moved to block it besides the UK/CMA. As for the EU, they've already gotten huge concessions and their final verdict hasn't even been given - the CMA's findings will weigh heavily on that btw, as they also had major concerns about Cloud in their findings. Heck, the CMA may have handed the FTC all the legal basis it needs in this final report to get the deal shut down in the FTC's admin. court in August.
There is literally 0 evidence that they acted irrationally, and your use of that word is clearly because you feel the CAT will grant the appeal if enough folks deem it so, but understand this - if the CAT grants the appeal, it gets sent right back to the CMA to re-review, who MS and ATVI has now spent over 24h+ talking shit about with nonsensical claims, and Kotick even publicly accused the CMA of conspiring with the FTC. If you think any of this will help MS in their potential re-review down the line with the CMA, you're sorely mistaken.
ToadMan
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"I was surprised to learn that Lina Khan and the head of the CMA had a meeting a week and a half ago in Washington. You know, legally, you're not supposed to be discussing active litigation. I don't know that they did," Kotick said in the interview.
"I think that that's what you're seeing now is that the CMA is being used as a tool by the FTC to be able to create these kinds of outcomes, and it this isn't the way that they're supposed to be operating."
this guy is something else, no wonder jimbo ignored his calls
Meh. This is from the CMA's guidance document on merger processes...
"18. Multi-jurisdictional mergers
18.1 Some mergers qualify for merger control review in more than one jurisdiction
(these mergers are referred to as 'multi-jurisdictional' mergers for the
purposes of this guidance). For multi-jurisdictional mergers, there can be
substantial benefits (to merging parties and competition authorities, and
therefore, in turn, to consumers) from communication and cooperation
between the competition authorities that have jurisdiction to investigate the
merger.
18.2 In practice, communication and cooperation between competition authorities
in such circumstances typically relates to both the substantive assessment of
the merger (eg through the sharing of evidence and analysis), as well as any
remedies that might be put in place to address competition concerns (eg to
ensure that potential remedies in different jurisdictions are consistent, or at
least mutually compatible, while meeting the applicable statutory
requirements).
18.3 In carrying out its merger investigations, the CMA frequently cooperates with
other competition authorities. More broadly, the CMA actively seeks to
promote best practice in merger control through networks such as the
International Competition Network (ICN) and the Competition Committee of
the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)"
There's no impropriety here. It's difficult to understand how these execs are so misinformed about the legal processes they chose to subject themselves to.
It's also difficult to understand why some people are so easily duped by this misinformation and rabble rousing.
mansoor1980
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Neofire
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Is the dude on Microsoft's payroll? Lord I've not even seen Timdog reach this far beforeReposting from the other thread.
Some people need to turn off the computer and take a walk right now.
Varteras
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I mean, considering that the FTC already moved to block the deal and the EC voiced cloud concerns as well, this really wouldn't be hard for the CMA to reference them.
DJ12
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It's also worth pointing out yet again, that even if they do prove the CMA acted irrationally, all that's going to happen is it goes back to the CMA for review.
It's not like they are going to be told to change the decision, or even throw out some evidence.
They just get to decide again.
Captain Toad
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What ever do you mean? Are they preoccupied with other things? What could possibly be more urgent than Microsoft buying Activision?
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GHG
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Is the dude on Microsoft's payroll? Lord I've not even seen Timdog reach this far before
Yes. I will keep on posting this until people realise who he is and how he operates:
http://techrights.org/wiki/Florian_Müller
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
The CMA cannot be overruled. It's not legally possible. It's sad to see people failing to understand how the system works.Is the dude on Microsoft's payroll? Lord I've not even seen Timdog reach this far before
And what sucks more is how MS were kings with the XBox 360. Possibly my favorite gaming platform ever. I met dozens of friends from all across the world on that system. Man those Castlevania: HoD and Borderlands 2 days were glorious. And then...came the XBone. When Sony hammered them at E3 it was a fatal blow. I still have all these friends. They are all on PS now. f0rneus was my gamertag and now it's rotting away.
Sometimes you fuck up so bad that..you can't repair your reputation. Not even WiiU was that bad because at least it wasn't predatory. I remember buying the first State of Decay on 360, knowing that this was the end for me and XBox. But it was a great final blast. Shit I still have two working 360s, including the RE5 red one.
Now with the Series S/X they built a truly awesome mastodon of a platform, that had all that they needed to succeed but sales aren't there because of yes, the Bone. The Bone fucked them utterly and completely.
Microsoft. Just make the best Fable possible, nail Perfect Dark and good lord make Killer Instinct II. Gain back the respect you lost because as you can see, trying to buy out the market because you can't be assed to compete does not work out.
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PaintTinJr
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And given the way Microsoft top brass are trivially damaging Microsoft's reputation with their comments about the UK, the CMA might be more inclined to add the Console SLC back in as it evidences that losing $1b a year to foreclose PlayStation with CoD exclusivity on Xbox isn't beyond their actions when losing face appears to have major currency in Microsoft, and they've been losing to PlayStation for decades, so a few billion and few years of exclusivity for CoD to fix that might seem cheap.
Topher
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You have to really check on "journalists" these days. Jez Corden........
"Update: In response, a spokesperson for the UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said that Smith's remarks regarding the UK's viability as a tech business hub were "wrong," and "not borne of the facts." The spokesperson also said that the UK government would engage Microsoft on the issue while reiterating that the CMA is an unelected, independent body separate from the government. "
The PM spokesperson did not say they would engage with Microsoft on the ABK issue. This is what they said:
"We continue to believe that the UK has an extremely attractive tech sector and a growing games market," he said. "We will continue to engage proactively with Microsoft and other companies."
"Update: In response, a spokesperson for the UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said that Smith's remarks regarding the UK's viability as a tech business hub were "wrong," and "not borne of the facts." The spokesperson also said that the UK government would engage Microsoft on the issue while reiterating that the CMA is an unelected, independent body separate from the government. "
The PM spokesperson did not say they would engage with Microsoft on the ABK issue. This is what they said:
"We continue to believe that the UK has an extremely attractive tech sector and a growing games market," he said. "We will continue to engage proactively with Microsoft and other companies."
Bernoulli
M2 slut
big oof
apnews.com
Microsoft's 'good guy' approach frays in UK gaming battle
Microsoft’s charm offensive with the world’s governments is starting to lose some of its luster as the software giant is confronting its toughest antitrust scrutiny since co-founder Bill Gates was in charge. A blow came this week when British regulators said they would block Microsoft’s planned...
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Topher
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big oof
Microsoft's 'good guy' approach frays in UK gaming battle
Microsoft’s charm offensive with the world’s governments is starting to lose some of its luster as the software giant is confronting its toughest antitrust scrutiny since co-founder Bill Gates was in charge. A blow came this week when British regulators said they would block Microsoft’s planned...
Yeah, Microsoft deserves getting shit on for Brad Smith's childish reaction.
mansoor1980
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3liteDragon
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GHG
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They did it against Sevilla as well.
At least we do all our bottling in that fashion away from home.
3liteDragon
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Microsoft's 'good guy' approach frays in UK gaming battle
Microsoft’s charm offensive with the world’s governments is starting to lose some of its luster as the software giant is confronting its toughest antitrust scrutiny since co-founder Bill Gates was in charge. A blow came this week when British regulators said they would block Microsoft’s planned...
apnews.com
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nikolino840
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Yoboman
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CMA due diligence out the ass. Microsoft is going to struggle big time in appeal
Alebrije
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Becuase surely he lost a big bunus..dude is literally choking and about to cry
Thirty7ven
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Look at the behavior of MS and wonder if we are supposed to trust A.I and the future of humanity to this lot.
Astray
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Fucking knew that all those "amazing, pro-consumer" deals had numerous catches in them!
feynoob
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And people slammed me, when I said this deal benefits MS.
Consumers had no value for this value. It was all about MS getting richer from this deal and keeping activision revenue to themselves.
El Pistolero
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Because, as it has been said repeatedly, MS is in the business of dominating markets, not merely succeeding in them. It has been their modus operandi for decades. MS should have been hit by serious anti-trust issues and contained at least by the early 2000s, but the lack of agency of regulatory bodies, the corrupt nature of the governments, the inadequacy if regulations and the colossal lobbying conducted by the firm made it escape any form of scrutiny, aside from ridiculously low fines. Why would not they throw a tantrum when they had been granted immense privileges and quasi-impunity before?
what I find totally absurd, is not their disgusting remarks...it's not the obvioulsy paid shills and astroturfers pretending to be journalists mouthing their frustration on behalf of the mothership...It's the comical naivety of Xbox fans, that has turned into bitterness over the years: They don't care to see a monopoly taking shape in the future; they don't consider the implications of a mega-corp hoarding all the IPs and dictating the terms; they don't take time to discuss MS inability to manage, create, promote and distribute...No, they just want under-dog MS to stick it to bad-wolf Sony.
MS PR, like it or not, is brilliant...Xbox is perceived as its own entity, rather than a tentacle of a behemoth company, known for its ruthlessness since the 90s.
Unknown Soldier
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All bullies respond like this once someone punches them back
harry mason 1989
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So the deal is dead officially I guess
reinking
Gold Member
All of that PR and it turns out those deals shed light on how MS would operate once they had an even larger advantage in streaming.
Dick Jones
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In their fucking DNA.
zapper
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Jez Corden, the last time I read one of his articles he completely distorted the CMA documents even calling them incompetent.
I'd like to say he can't read, but he's clearly biased
zapper
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i hope japan doesn't make them swallow sega or capcom.
Pelta88
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I tried to tell them.
You can't slander, slight, or denigrate how another country regulates its industries and financial markets just because a regulator didn't approve your acquisition.
They have essentially just blown up any hope of a approval through appeal. The deal isn't just dead. Brad, Lulu, and Kotic just put the deal in a body bag and shipped it off to the morgue.
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mansoor1980
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hahaha
https://www.levelup.com/en/news/734...yan-for-Microsoft-and-Activision-merger-block
https://www.levelup.com/en/news/734...yan-for-Microsoft-and-Activision-merger-block
"He deceived the CMA": Players blame Jim Ryan for Microsoft and Activision merger block
Part of the community imagines Sony's executive celebrating the regulator's decision.
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