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Microsoft Announces Windows 10
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GrizzleBoy
Banned
Dont forget a micro HDMI output/miracast/desktop dock with full sized usb slots so we can hook it up to a monitor and use it as a full PC.
its only logical.
MS already has full windows running on 7 inch tablets with only 1GB of RAM. 2GB less than my phone.
Surely a 6 inch phablet with even a "mobile tailored" version of W10 that can connect to a monitor and run "universal office" and such is next on the table.
Microsoft finally fixed the Surface Pro 2 battery issues!
I've had pretty horrible battery life on the sp3 too.... hopefully it is fixed too.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
So I am trying to install the preview on my Surface Pro 1. It downloads, reboots, goes through the whole install, reboots (seemingly done) but then Windows 8 comes back up with no errors or anything.
What gives?
What gives?
Are you installing by USB? I had the same with my laptop but not PC or server, for some reason using a USB stick with the NTFS file system doesn't install it correctly, using FAT32 worked.
If you used the Microsoft USB creation tool, copy all of the files to a folder somewhere on your PC, reformat the drive to FAT32, then just add them back, causes no issues with boot.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Nah, I went to the site on my Surface and hit update, it then downloaded through Windows Update. I'm trying it again now.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Weird. Same thing happened. Installed, rebooted, stayed on the Surface screen and said it was finishing the install, then comes up to Win 8.1 with no error.
Huh...
Huh...
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Paul Thurrott is often difficult to listen to but his comments on this weeks Windows Weekly were pretty stupid. He brushed off everyone's complaints with the current preview build with basically "I've been using Windows for a long time so I can tell you for sure it's better and they don't know what they're talking about" and when people in the stream commented on how the touch experience on their tablets was really bad with the current build his response was "well I have to question why people are using Windows on a tablet in the first place". Uh, thanks Paul, very helpful.
Haven't listened to the new one yet, but yeah sometimes he can be hard to listen to, sometimes he is on point though.
I think I had a similar issue. How much space do you have? I needed 20GB of free space to make it work.
CharmingCharlie
Member
That they do, or rather did. According to Techradar they are removing the desktop option from all devices below 8"
Techradar said:
http://www.techradar.com/news/mobil...the-windows-desktop-on-7-inch-tablets-1282371
I know there are a couple of 7" win8 tablets around they have been picking up steam because of their sub £100 price. It was neat to have what amounted to a fully featured PC in an attractively small form.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
He is sometimes which is one of the reason's I still listen to the show but he was in full condescending mode during that segment.
I agree it's not a finished product but he basically brushed off all complaints with "it's just better" without seeming to have any understanding of what the complaints are. It's only "oh people hated the charms bar and now they miss it, people are stupid" when it's really certain aspects of the charms bar that are now missing that make using Win10 on a tablet more difficult.
Jzero
Member
YouTube is always fucked up on PC chrome. I tried watching a Doctor Who mini episode and it wouldn't advance. It played fine on my phone though.
Could it be some kind of decoder issue? They just pulled the HTML5 switch, so flash shouldn't be an issue whatsoever.
LukasTaves
Member
Build 9933 showing up for me now. Let's see if I can download it this time.
Microsoft finally fixed the Surface Pro 2 battery issues!
Is Surface Pro 2 actually capable of that? 25 hours? I welcome thee to my household!
Jzero
Member
My FBL Awesome update keeps failing lol
There was also a toshiba bluetooth 4.0 update even though i don't own any toshiba products.
MmmSkyscraper
Unconfirmed Member
Works fine for me, I opted into the HTML 5 player a while ago though.
LukasTaves
Member
It's failing for me too.
Damn Ms, you are such a tease XD
Edit: Damn, now i's showing up 9934.
I'll stop checking, obviously I'm being trolled, lol
Damn Ms, you are such a tease XD
Edit: Damn, now i's showing up 9934.
I'll stop checking, obviously I'm being trolled, lol
No and i doubt it. The new start screen is far from perfect, but we are still 6 months or so from release so there will be a lot of tweaking and adjusting coming. I'm looking forward to the transparent start screen.
Yeah but I love so much the Start Screen... Hopefully the start menu improves a lot.
Jzero
Member
The new start menu freaking sucks. I liked the ability of being able to enable the old start screen in the previous build.
Anton Sugar
Member
Is there a list of shit that's bad about the Start screen? Conceptually, it seemed like a perfect mix of what everyone wanted, but all I hear are complaints now.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I think so, yeah. I know that they're pushing continuum (or whatever the auto-switching thing is), but I could have sworn I read that they'll include the option for manual switching.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Yes. Charms are totally gone now. Swiping in from the right brings up the action center now.
For legacy 8.1 apps, the charms options are now in the hamburger menu in the upper left of the window chrome. It seems that Windows 10 apps won't use the concept of charms at all (see how the new Store or Spartan in the demo didn't use them). Good riddance! While I personally didn't mind them as it made core UI get out of the way, it was always confusing when you could do things like share from the app, or what the devices app was really used for. It is much more discoverable having them be buttons which show up at the appropriate times in the UI, or be available in a menu when needed.
Jzero
Member
The Windows 8.1 Start Screen had the ability to turn on and off live tiles, you could make it transparent so it looks sleeker (kinda like Apple's Mac Launcher), no "places" and "most used" thing on the left corner taking up space.
Here's some photos: Windows 8.1 (first photo) vs Windows 10
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
Right, to reiterate what I wrote previously in relation to using this current version with touch.
1 - The text list on the side is terrible. In tablet mode it shouldn't be visible at all and if you have to use it's extremely difficult because everything is tiny and having to scroll a vertical text list and twirl down folders with your finger is really tedious and cumbersome. I've argued many times that even using it with a mouse pre-Windows 8 sucks for launching programs and I can't believe people even want that back but having to use it with touch is even worse. The previous way of swiping up to see a full list of all apps was much better. All they needed to do was add an option so close folders if people wanted since it seemed the biggest complaint was that folders with too many things in them made it looks messy.
2 - With the removal of the charms bar the only way to access the Start menu is by either using a hardware button or by pressing the tiny Start menu icon. This requires having to do a lot of moving around with your hands just to launch a program. With 8.1 you could swipe with your thumb and that Start button would be right there. Now you have to use 2 hands and if you're holding the tablet is portrait mode near your body it's hard to reach the taskbar or in hardware button in the case of the Surface. It's maybe hard to explain unless you're using it but it's just more awkward to launch stuff and it makes the device seem clunky whereas before it felt smooth and elegant.
3 - That fact that everything is smaller really doesn't help.
That's good to know but it doesn't hurt to give our feedback now while it's still early, in case these issues weren't already clear to the team.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
This is the healthiest way to approach criticisms of the pre-release builds though I wonder if people realize that things can and will change up till release.
LukasTaves
Member
I think that the main issue is that they changed the underlying tech. The start menu/screen is now an universal app, which probably is going to replace the start screen of WP and Xbox as well. But for making the change they've taken some significant steps back as far features and usability goes. Currently the start screen doesn't adapt to touch at all, it just the same with keyboard+mouse but maximized completely. That sucks, but it's clear that it's a very initial release, so I'm sure it will improve a lot very soon.
The other main issues with touch are:
- Currently they always show the taskbar. Which is honestly an easy fix, and I think it's on the way, because for the apps you can make completely full screen swiping from the bottom brings the taskbar up, and once you click elsewhere it hides.
- The charms bar is gone.
That is a more complex issue, because this means two things. Previously actions that were great to have there are now gone, like volume, start button or changing the brightness. This is more solvable, Ms just needs to bring those actions back (and hopefully add other actions like remove USB devices and media controls).
8.1 metro apps, that relied on the charms bar are now a chore to use, because you have to click on the hamburger menu on the title bar, select app commands or the charm you want to use, and that menu is not very touch friendly, plus that's way more stepsthan it used to be. So it sucks... That's the issue that's more complicated to solve. It's clear from what Ms has showed that the design language is changing with win10. They now have hamburger menu for application menus, ellipsis button for "more actions in the same context", and much like search in 8 -> 8.1 they now will expose the charms in their UI itself...
Which basically means, if the app updates to win10 they are going to be fine with touch, but if they don't using them with touch is going to suck very hard... It might be a problem because the windows store is not exactly known for their stellar app support (I have some apps that are still using W8 apis XD)
They need some standard touch-friendly way for accessing the app-specific settings and permissions that were accessed via the charms for "legacy" apps. Since those apps were designed with charms in mind, they don't rely on swipe-from-right gestures, they could offer a legacy charms menu for them.
When using mouse&kb, just add the hamburguer menu on the title bar as usual.
When using mouse&kb, just add the hamburguer menu on the title bar as usual.
So Chrome has had abysmal performance for me for a while, but now it seems even worse on Windows 10. Is anyone else seeing this?
I'll be browsing twitter.com and open a new tab in the background, and Chrome will just die for 20-30 seconds while it's loading that tab.
This is on a Core i5 Surface Pro 3, not a sluggish device. What the heck is going on? IE and Firefox don't have problems anything like this.
It gets even worse with a page with gifs on it, but even without it it's terrible.
I'll be browsing twitter.com and open a new tab in the background, and Chrome will just die for 20-30 seconds while it's loading that tab.
This is on a Core i5 Surface Pro 3, not a sluggish device. What the heck is going on? IE and Firefox don't have problems anything like this.
It gets even worse with a page with gifs on it, but even without it it's terrible.
#WaitForSpartan
Opera feels sluggish as well on my desktop. Menus takes 1-2 seconds to open. It's especially bad on Neogaf.
brotkasten
Member
The entire build feels a bit sluggish in Hyper-V. And why does 9935 show up in Windows Update, but won't let me download it? I always get some kind of error. Same with app updates on the Store.
MmmSkyscraper
Unconfirmed Member
I had that problem a few months ago but it hasn't re-occurred since I disabled hardware acceleration. Whether that's relevant to a SP3, I'm not sure.
Thank you very much, sir.
LukasTaves
Member
The current preview build just on its own with anything running makes my sp3 very hot, which I believe turns the throttling every time and makes the overall experience very poor.
Yesterday I was editing a excel worksheet, and performance was pretty terrible, like locking for seconds when scroll the sheet, sometimes even blacking out the screen for a while. Granted it was full of formulas but an i5 shouldn't have that much issue with that.
On chrome I can't even watch a video without some heavy stuttering, where before I could have some simultaneous streams that wouldn't stutter like that.
Which flag did you enable/disable? I'll try this one:
Disable accelerated 2D canvas
Any others?
[edit] Enabling that flag (disabling the acceleration) does seem to have helped. Thanks!!
There are some bugs which cause excessive background task activity, but you can get around those by killing bad processes in task manager. This is just me observing Chrome on its own doing this.