I'm wondering... now that Universal Apps are a thing and with windowed support, I wonder if software developers will try and release them more often (even with a Win32 mode). From what I see, it's not necessary to be on the Windows Store. I know Chrome already has its UAP mode, but I'm not sure if it's good or not.
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Microsoft Announces Windows 10
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Ruud_Luiten
Member
Of I update my win 8.1 to Windows 8.1 pro, will I get Windows 10 pro later on?
I would imagine so, as you'd now have a Windows 8.1 Pro Product Key.
HarryDemeanor
Member
We don't know yet. They haven't announced different SKUs yet and we're not sure what version of Windows 10 we'll be gettting if they do.
link1201
Member
Sweet. I hope they'll put a lot of time into making the store better.
Junior Mint
Member
So are the min/max/close buttons supposed to be placeholders or are they final? They're like gigantic and really ugly (yes I know they want it to be touch friendly but there has to be a better design they can come up with).
brotkasten
Member
I hated them from the first build on. So damn ugly.
I hope so, because right now the new PC Settings, and especially Windows Update, is a really poor alternative to Control Panel: both in looks and usability.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I prefer the looks, but yeah, the usability is still well below par.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Is the new recycle bin icon the one from Windows 95?
LukasTaves
Member
Latest (leaked) build hides apps from the taskbar when in tablet mode, which then becomes just for navigation and Cortana.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/10/8384119/windows-10-touch-mode-features
I don't remember where, but I recall seeing an video of either a concept or from a UI focused branch where this happened and a back button would appear on the taskbar as well, so I guess that's what's coming next.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/10/8384119/windows-10-touch-mode-features
I don't remember where, but I recall seeing an video of either a concept or from a UI focused branch where this happened and a back button would appear on the taskbar as well, so I guess that's what's coming next.
Syphon Filter
Member
I saw the recycle bin icon from the other supposed leak. Looks like they were real after all.
The Cowboy
Member
Not liking how everything is smaller in the tablet mode over Windows 8.1 in the current builds, it looks so bunched up towards the top due to this and looks really weird. Really hoping they work on the size/layout so its similar to Windows 8.1 when in tablet mode (so the tiles fill more space up), and i hope you can turn off the recently used list to.
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
I REALLY hope they add a way to access the Start screen by swiping from the left or right edges of the screen. Having to move down to the lower corner to access Start is very uncomfortable, especially in portrait mode.
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
Windows 10 really is shaping up nicely, I can't remember the last time I was legit excited for an OS.
Syphon Filter
Member
Finally they add the option to choose transparency or opaque. I always wondered they they removed the option in W8. I always preferred opaque.
Weird ass bug that I'll file for 10049, but seeing if anyone else here has managed to get it.
It seems when I let Windows idle.. it'll just stop letting anything spawn new content?. Like, if I leave Skype up, Skype will stop updating with new messages, and as soon as you click in the window I'll get the spinning circle of doom. Chrome/IE/Firefox will open new tabs, but they'll all be blank, and existing tabs can no longer load new sites or go anywhere. If you try to bring up Task Manager, it'll let me do it, then when i click in the Task Manager window it'll fade out too. All network activity dies.
The Windows UI itself will still work, but as soon as you launch anything, same stuff happens.
Also, if you force shutdown out of this state, Windows doesn't even complain that it was forcibly shut down, it just boots up.
It seems when I let Windows idle.. it'll just stop letting anything spawn new content?. Like, if I leave Skype up, Skype will stop updating with new messages, and as soon as you click in the window I'll get the spinning circle of doom. Chrome/IE/Firefox will open new tabs, but they'll all be blank, and existing tabs can no longer load new sites or go anywhere. If you try to bring up Task Manager, it'll let me do it, then when i click in the Task Manager window it'll fade out too. All network activity dies.
The Windows UI itself will still work, but as soon as you launch anything, same stuff happens.
Also, if you force shutdown out of this state, Windows doesn't even complain that it was forcibly shut down, it just boots up.
Something is up with the network stack protocol.
In my copy, I can't even change the TCP/IP settings in the ncpa.cpl GUI.
All the options for each connection are greyed out.
Installing W10 on the Lumia 530 was quite a hurdle:
- It needs a little over 900MBs of free space on the internal storage. The 530 only has 4GB of internal storage and only has 1.2GB free after a factory reset. Mine had only 600MBs available and there was no way to reclaim more space, since it was all occupied by system stuff. Had to factory-reset and cancel the updates for the built-in apps in hope it would allow me to update.
- First it updated me from Cyan to Denin (which MS still hasn't released for my model because reasons), so it took much longer there. I almost ran out of space again, BTW, and only managed to go through with the install after uninstalling everything I could from internal storage and rebooting.
It looks nice and works better than I expected on a 512MB device, but things are very rough in certain areas. Microsoft needs to find a way to use the SD card to install the update for these 4GB devices.
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Lol, the feedback app crashes constantly. Submitting feedback takes quite a bit of luck.
- It needs a little over 900MBs of free space on the internal storage. The 530 only has 4GB of internal storage and only has 1.2GB free after a factory reset. Mine had only 600MBs available and there was no way to reclaim more space, since it was all occupied by system stuff. Had to factory-reset and cancel the updates for the built-in apps in hope it would allow me to update.
- First it updated me from Cyan to Denin (which MS still hasn't released for my model because reasons), so it took much longer there. I almost ran out of space again, BTW, and only managed to go through with the install after uninstalling everything I could from internal storage and rebooting.
It looks nice and works better than I expected on a 512MB device, but things are very rough in certain areas. Microsoft needs to find a way to use the SD card to install the update for these 4GB devices.
-- EDIT --
Lol, the feedback app crashes constantly. Submitting feedback takes quite a bit of luck.
How does everyone feel about Windows 10 on phones changing the UI and Universal Apps becoming the norm ?
I was a big fan of Zune/WP7/WP8 in many ways and the one handed approach of the UI stands alone but now it looks like they are falling in line with iOS and Android which arguably might get them more apps but the user experience looks to suffer. Not liking it so far.
Two articles on the matter.
http://pocketnow.com/2015/04/13/windows-10-for-phones-build-10051
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-moving-away-from-its-own-design-language-mobile-apps-go-classic
I was a big fan of Zune/WP7/WP8 in many ways and the one handed approach of the UI stands alone but now it looks like they are falling in line with iOS and Android which arguably might get them more apps but the user experience looks to suffer. Not liking it so far.
Two articles on the matter.
http://pocketnow.com/2015/04/13/windows-10-for-phones-build-10051
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-moving-away-from-its-own-design-language-mobile-apps-go-classic
HarryDemeanor
Member
Had to switch back to Chrome for the time being until the next build features an updated Project Spartan (hopefully.) Kinda got fed up with the constant freezes and ten tabs from hours ago appearing after launching it. I really like the direction they're going with it. Just keep polishing that baby up.
Anton Sugar
Member
While I think a number of those features WILL be in final W10 (there's no way they'd remove live tiles from Mail/Calendar--right?), in general, I wholeheartedly agree.
The design language in W10 for phones can be confusing, redundant, and unintuitive. Lots of pivot/panorama design has been replaced by tabs (functionally, though not skeumorphically). Some of this is, I'm sure, because it's in an early state, but it is still worrying. It makes zero sense to have to push a button at the very top of the screen to get to a section within the app, whereas before I could simply swipe left or right to move around.
A LOT of the design has actually been moved to the top of the screen, and I think it suffers for it. I hate having to REACH for basic functions, when I used to be able to pivot or the button was previously at the bottom of the screen.
The Photos app is straight up butchered at the moment. It's basically been given the Xbox Music treatment: slow to load, crashes, and not easy to navigate.
I will say that the OneDrive app seems to have a nice compromise: it utilizes the side panel/menu via hamburger, but also allows you to pivot/swipe through the different sections.
The UI changes sound apocalyptic, I'm legit scared they've completed fucked up what was good about Metro.
I cry for my future probably windows phone flagship. I liked all the swipe/gesture based navigation, it was simple and intuitive, menus all over the place in hard to reach areas...
Ugh.
I cry for my future probably windows phone flagship. I liked all the swipe/gesture based navigation, it was simple and intuitive, menus all over the place in hard to reach areas...
Ugh.
Anton Sugar
Member
The good thing is, if the W10 Phone feedback app is anything to go by, they know we're not happy. Last I checked, complaints about loss of pivot/panorama were at the top.
This is cool, deep dive into virtual desktops, how they work, and some gifs showing the latest animations and functionality of it all:
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwi...in-windows-10-the-power-of-windowsmultiplied/
It also notes that there will be options to configure how things appear, but they're looking for people to vote on what becomes the default within the OS
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwi...in-windows-10-the-power-of-windowsmultiplied/
It also notes that there will be options to configure how things appear, but they're looking for people to vote on what becomes the default within the OS
Steelyuhas
Member
My god, virtual desktops will totally change my life at work.This is cool, deep dive into virtual desktops, how they work, and some gifs showing the latest animations and functionality of it all:
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwi...in-windows-10-the-power-of-windowsmultiplied/
It also notes that there will be options to configure how things appear, but they're looking for people to vote on what becomes the default within the OS
I might push to get a SP4 for work when it comes out as it'll probably be the only way for me to get Win 10 at work for awhile.
Anton Sugar
Member
This is cool, deep dive into virtual desktops, how they work, and some gifs showing the latest animations and functionality of it all:
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwi...in-windows-10-the-power-of-windowsmultiplied/
It also notes that there will be options to configure how things appear, but they're looking for people to vote on what becomes the default within the OS
Uuuuuugh, this will be so useful for me. Editing desktop, Gaming desktop, Photography desktop, etc.
I loved the virtual desktops in OS X 10.6. I had them set up as a 4x3 grid. Using hot corners, you could switch between desktops very quickly. And you could set up applications to always open in a specific desktop.
Hope Windows will support a similarly persistent setup. Don't want to start from scratch every time I reboot.
Hope Windows will support a similarly persistent setup. Don't want to start from scratch every time I reboot.
LukasTaves
Member
This is cool, deep dive into virtual desktops, how they work, and some gifs showing the latest animations and functionality of it all:
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwi...in-windows-10-the-power-of-windowsmultiplied/
It also notes that there will be options to configure how things appear, but they're looking for people to vote on what becomes the default within the OS
Nice! I wasn't aware of the shortcuts for creating/switching between desktops.
If they ever add the option for fixed desktops each with its own selection of pinned items on the taskbar (and perhaps even files on the desktop itself) this feature would be perfection.
lastflowers
Banned
add that to user voice if it isn't there already.
Upsidedown Fuji
Member
Yep. It's annoying and so is the bug that's occasionally forgetting you're part of a home group and you have to reenable sharing.
Feedback app is working as many things have been worked on so far. I'm sure they're very aware. Keep up voting issues.
brotkasten
Member
Seems like they've updated the Calender:
Yeah, they did that a while ago (or at least via reg change from your screenshot). But what really annoys me is that it doesn't show other time zones without opening the clock app. I use that feature all the time! *I'm the 0.04%*
Doesn't it say "Additional Clocks"?
Probably can add another time zone through there.
I use the clock feature, too.
brotkasten
Member
Clicking on Additional Clocks opens the Alarms & Clock app.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Make sure you mention all that shit in feedback Brot.
CyclopsRock
Member
My search has disappeared I remember this being mentioned previously by a user or two in here.
I remember this being mentioned previously by a user or two in here.Same here. I still don't like the tiles on the right side of the start menu; hopefully those can be removed (And that cortana search on the taskbar too). Outside of that everything in that video looked splendid. I will happily move to this from Windows 7.
Really glad they got their shit together.
Milpool
Member
My search has disappeared
Happens to me seemingly randomly, restarting Windows Explorer from the task manager should fix it.
CyclopsRock
Member
I dunno, it's been gone for a few days now and I reboot my PC every day.
Milpool
Member
Me too, and half the time search is borked on boot no matter which of the 3 settings I use.
lastflowers
Banned
definitely.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
How's 10's search? Anywhere near as good as Everything?