Stumpokapow
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New PC arriving over the next few days. Install windows 10 or wait on Win8 for a while?
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Microsoft Announces Windows 10
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Stay on Win 8.
I say go for it. I've used it as my only OS for almost 2 months now and it works fine.
I'd stay on 8, and just wait for RTM to upgrade
Jzero
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LukasTaves
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http://www.neowin.net/news/leaked-s...w-cortana-tweaks-and-new-live-tile-animations
Lots on improvements on Cortana )it's still not good, but at least doesn't look terribad), and finally animations come to live tiles on windows!
Edit, and on video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzVgLONZOes
Lots on improvements on Cortana )it's still not good, but at least doesn't look terribad), and finally animations come to live tiles on windows!
Edit, and on video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzVgLONZOes
LukasTaves
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On another note, I'm very worried about onedrive on win10. Everything else has been coming along lately, and yet nothing for Onedrive since they removed some features...
I mean, what we have now can't be the RTM experience for windows 10, right? It would be very bad if all they did was remove features (like smartfiles, syncing in connected standby, or even the metro app, that in the very least provided an way to upload download files from non synced folders, both when in connected standby and resume support, both features that are lacking on win10), and at the same time didn't included any new of the top requested ones, like syncing shared folders as well.
I mean, what we have now can't be the RTM experience for windows 10, right? It would be very bad if all they did was remove features (like smartfiles, syncing in connected standby, or even the metro app, that in the very least provided an way to upload download files from non synced folders, both when in connected standby and resume support, both features that are lacking on win10), and at the same time didn't included any new of the top requested ones, like syncing shared folders as well.
AMD CEO said late July. Take it with a pinch of salt.
Thanks I will, was hoping for June but oh well.
No worries. I did do that but I still haven't gotten any thing.
Syphon Filter
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Update wont download, any way to force it?
Fast or slow ring?
Syphon Filter
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Fast.
Yup. If they keep OneDrive like it is now on Win10, they can kiss my Office365 sub goodbye. I can't go back to syncing everything or choosing what to sync now.
I think they are supposed to be talking about it in BUILD, considering it is now integrated to the system and not an app.
My Windows Update froze on some of the newer updates, so I had to restart the service on the last build.
Follow dLMN8R's instructions.
Syphon Filter
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Not everything deletes, it's saying its open in another program for some reason but nothing is open. About 3 files dont delete[data store,download,reporting events]
LukasTaves
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Unfortunately, they already confirmed that by RTM that's how the sync engine will work. Smart files like functionality is coming supposedly soon, though.
At least now that Win10 will see constant updates that shouldn't be much of a problem, but it will be really bad if that's the state of the RTM experience.
I'm hopping too, but Build is more a developer conference, dunno if they will announce consumer facing features like that.
I looked earlier at the Build sessions Ms posted on Channel 9, and they also seem very bleak for onedrive. just a single talk, for developers to integrate onedrive support directly in their apps... Not very promising so far.
But the main presentation will be about Windows 10. Last year, they unveiled the new Start Menu. Back then, it was supposed to be for Windows 8.2.
What? They removed the smart files from 10? That sucks big time. I am using OneDrive to archive gigs of unedited cam footage and I just tell it to make them online-only when I'm done using them for editing. Per-folder sync will make this far more annoying.
Also, having to use the browser or the OneDrive app to manage the files is infinitely slower than using the File Explorer. MS should, at the very least, embed a mouse-friendly OneDrive client into Explorer when browsing the OneDrive folder.
Also, having to use the browser or the OneDrive app to manage the files is infinitely slower than using the File Explorer. MS should, at the very least, embed a mouse-friendly OneDrive client into Explorer when browsing the OneDrive folder.
8.1, go to 10 when it hits RTM at the earliest imo.
LukasTaves
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Indeed. Let's hope them
They claim the implementation was poor, and that having multiple sync engines was a bad approach, so now they are moving towards a single engine, on all platforms, and that works for both consumer and enterprise users. Because that way they can add features once and have them available everywhere.
It's a valid reason, because onedrive really had some nasty details about it, but so far they neither have solved them, nor added any new features, they just removed all the features they added in 8 and 8.1...
Biggest problem with smart files was that even the placeholders took up a shitload of space, especially on devices with a small amount of storage (~32GB or less)
Hard to reconcile advertising unlimited OneDrive storage to put your photos when the placeholders / thumbnails for those placeholders could take up hundreds of megabytes or even gigabytes if you have enough.
The other major issue was the fact that placeholder files were unique to 8.1 and required a completely distinct sync engine to what every other platform used (Win7, Win8, OS X, and others). Now OneDrive uses the same sync engine everywhere in Windows 10.
It definitely sucks and makes some things more difficult to do, but the OneDrive team has said that they're making improvements for RTM that still aren't in public builds yet. I'm not sure what exactly they're talking about, but hopefully it improves things substantially from where they are today.
Hard to reconcile advertising unlimited OneDrive storage to put your photos when the placeholders / thumbnails for those placeholders could take up hundreds of megabytes or even gigabytes if you have enough.
The other major issue was the fact that placeholder files were unique to 8.1 and required a completely distinct sync engine to what every other platform used (Win7, Win8, OS X, and others). Now OneDrive uses the same sync engine everywhere in Windows 10.
It definitely sucks and makes some things more difficult to do, but the OneDrive team has said that they're making improvements for RTM that still aren't in public builds yet. I'm not sure what exactly they're talking about, but hopefully it improves things substantially from where they are today.
Syphon Filter
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I tried and gave up earlier. Took a long time and didn't get nowhere.So i've wanted to try Windows 10, and finally decided to give it a go.
But, it feels like it's stuck here
Does this just take an eternity? Feels like that thing hasn't moved for the last hour.
Alright, i'll do that. Thanks!
I can see the problems with the placeholders. I just hope they come up with an easy way to view/edit/manage individual files that doesn't involve synching the entire folder or manually downloading the file using the browser/app and manually reuploading it. We need a middle ground.
If you have a lot of stuff on your drive, the process will take a while.
I really like the smart sync feature in 8.1... when it works. But once you run into a sync bug, god damn it's tough to fix. Never happened for me in Windows 7.
LukasTaves
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I understand, and I'm completely ok with them taking a few steps back to clear the house and come with a better implementation. But they did so on the promise of faster features and updates coming, and so far we haven't even seen the promised benefits of the single engine, for instance the long file name, or getting rid of the 10GB limit...
But hearing that they will have something new for RTM gives some comfort. Thanks for that!
I like in concept but the execution in 8.1 was indeed very poor... I had plenty of engine crashes, throttled speeds, not having a clear way of telling whether the file was available locally or not, no cache support (it would just leave everything it downloaded forever until you ask it to delete the local copy again)...
When Ms announced the feature I thought we would be getting something similar to bitcasa, but the result was far more limited to be as useful. It was specially jarring, because files placed on bitcasa could be properly used by any app (win32 or metro) even when streaming, and it just worked better than Ms own approach.
Steelyuhas
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People pulled 10074 from Windows Update today, so I assume that build is going out tomorrow (and probably an ISO).
Cortana looks nice.
Jzero
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That was fast, we usually wait a few weeks per build
They have probably been working on this build in parallel with everything else so that they can give out something more stable at //build
Something really weird and unusual is being told on the interwebs.
Namely, Microsoft might let the people who are using the Technical Preview simply upgrade to the RTM (release to manufacturing) build once it's done. And then let them keep it for reals, activated and all.
Sounds too good to be true.
Namely, Microsoft might let the people who are using the Technical Preview simply upgrade to the RTM (release to manufacturing) build once it's done. And then let them keep it for reals, activated and all.
Sounds too good to be true.
Vipershark
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Considering that they already confirmed that the RTM will be free for all Windows 7 and 8 users, pirated or not, it's really not that hard to fathom at all.
No need to force you to format and clean install the RTM when it's going out to everyone else as an update anyway.
No need to force you to format and clean install the RTM when it's going out to everyone else as an update anyway.
Wasn't that statement simply a mistake/mistranslation? You can upgrade from pirated Windows 7/8.1 to 10, but your system won't suddenly become legal that way.
Dorsal Axe
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Aero blur is back!
Makes sense, since they were trying to solve a problem they already solved back in Windows Vista.
Makes sense, since they were trying to solve a problem they already solved back in Windows Vista.
TTOOLL
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It's like a mini smartphone on your desktop.