Ah - I didn't notice the Surface sales. I'm really glad it's doing well, Surface 3 definitely deserves it. By far the best device Microsoft has under its umbrella, and top tier among devices in general. If Surface 4 is a big enough jump, I'll definitely contemplate selling my Surface 3 and making the leap.
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Microsoft FY2015 Q4: 1.4M 360+XBO Shipped
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that includes digital titles, right? I'm not surprised to see a huge jump in people buying digitally with the XB1/PS4. GTAV is the only game I've bought physically and idk why.
No, it's never been its own division in a public-facing report.
You're thinking of the Interactive Entertainment & Devices division, which included Zune, Kin, Xbox, Kinect, music, video, PC games, and I think Skype was in it for a short while as well.
It probably already is 2:1 if not extremely close. Looking at US numbers always through a lot of people off when compared to worldwide numbers.
TheXfactor
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xbox 1 is not getting close to 80 million, and if they are its probably because microsoft burned all of its money just to keep it to 80 million with loads of price cuts and advertising, which they will not do.
Right now its selling at 10 million a year pace(not sure if its 100% accurate), and its going to slow down after its third year, theres not going to be a cod or a kinect to save them from that this time around. so more than likely its going to be at 40-55 million, if it doesn't slow down too much.
Right now its selling at 10 million a year pace(not sure if its 100% accurate), and its going to slow down after its third year, theres not going to be a cod or a kinect to save them from that this time around. so more than likely its going to be at 40-55 million, if it doesn't slow down too much.
justsomeguy
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3.6 billion dollar business annually and still a few people use it as an example of why Microsoft are bad at hardware.
The Mad Draklor
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Yeah, the Surface Pro 3 is a really nice piece of hardware.
It won't be 2:1 (LTD) worldwide for a while yet.
Here are my forecasts for anyone interested.
JayWood2010
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Excellent news. 14 Million xbox ones out there
Excellent thread by the way and good work by the OP
Final Verdict
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Yeah, I think it is a good sign.
Some people expect a quick turn around in sales, but we need to face it that this will be a slow recovery....and like you said, 360 sales were likely much much higher last year. I would think that X1 accounted for at least 1.1m of the shipments if not a bit more...
I really like everything about the pro 3 other then how horrific it is when it comes to throttling, making it a door stop. Pro 2 destroys it when it comes to performance. I'll be rocking my pro 2 for a long time.
Are you talking shipped? Because I was talking sold-through.
Excellent news. 14 Million xbox ones out there
Excellent thread by the way and good work by the OP
Don't forget this is shipped. Sold should be a bit lower.
Seems like a decent quarter. I wonder what they'll do to increase sales in europe this fall.
Now what's the approx. sell through?
Even then it's not going to be 2:1 for a while.
Sorry but 80 million for the XBO is quite optimistic to say the least:
- The 360 sold about... 43 million in the U.S. Alone
- X360 did about 9 million in the UK
-> Other markets about 35 million while being a strong performing console (in mainland EU aswell)
Now the XBO Isn't really competitive outside the U.S./UK market:
Looking at last gen numbers that would make me think 40 million are realistic again in those territories, even though it could be lower since the PS-console is outselling Xbox this time.
Now the rest of the world: It's a fucking grim situation, looking at how XBO is performing there. So 20 million at the very best. That would be about 45-60 million units LTD at best.
Correct me if I'm absolutely wrong. While the PS4 could surely perform between 80-120 million depending on its price when the PS5 hits the market. Right now it almost does Wii numbers but will be realistically orient itself somewhere along the lines of PS2 sales.
Welfare
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Tomb Raider and Fifa bundles everywhere
360 has sold over 42 million in the US
I'm assuming the Xbox one is about 14 million shipped and 12.0-12.5 million sold through (I still see assassin's creed bundles). Ps4 I think is around 24-25 million sold through. It depends on how this holiday plays out, but it's only a matter of time before the PS4 is 2:1 compared to the X1 in WW sales.
JayWood2010
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Shipped = Sold for companies, but shipped doesnt equal sold to consumers.
I know how it works, no worries but its the most official data majority of the time companies give you.
The PS3's equivalent quarter would have been when the MGS4 bundle hit, right?
AnthonypUK
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Hockeymac18
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I think it'll land somewhere around 50-60 million, PS4 around 90-100 million. I don't think selling 50-60 million is grim. Unless of course your only definition of "not grim" is winning...and I assure you most people at MS don't give a crap as long as they're making money (especially if they could make more money "losing" than "winning" (say, for example, if they took major loses in hardware to get to that win)).
I know we get a bit preoccupied with our "side" winning here, but I don't think these numbers are that bad. Sure, they'd love them to be higher, and I'm certain they'd love to outsell the 360. But I don't think this is a sign that the brand is dead, or anything. We're not in Wii U territory (sorry Wii U
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King Beyond the wall
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I think if you do a bit of mine(ing) you may craft an answer
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Not bad. Given the 360 sales now would be significantly less than last year, the One has seen a decent rise. Still kinda shocked the 360 isn't much much much cheaper now.
The baseline (absolute minimum) we can work out from public sales data + tips is that a minimum of 10.5 million have been sold through to end users worldwide. Please note that this does not include sales for 9 tier 1 markets for 2014 & H1 2015, nor does it include sales for 28 tier 2 markets in 2014 & H1 2015. The bulk of that 10.5m comes from the US and UK which should account for more than 9.1 million units and Germany and France which will account for more than 0.8m.
Now of course this is just an absolute minimum. It is obvious the sold through total will be higher than 10.5m because of all the unaccounted markets.
ArchedThunder
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It won't be 2:1 (LTD) worldwide for a while yet.
Here are my forecasts for anyone interested.
I think your Xbox number might be just a little bit generous, I don't see the Xbox One being a little over 20 million at the end of the year like your chart shows, probably closer to 17-18 million.
Really? My bad then. Can you give me a source please?
I think it'll land somewhere around 50-60 million, PS4 around 90-100 million. I don't think selling 50-60 million is grim. Unless of course your only definition of "not grim" is winning...and I assure you most people at MS don't give a crap as long as they're making money (especially if they could make more money "losing" than "winning" (say, for example, if they took major loses in hardware to get to that win).
I know we get a bit preoccupied with our "side" winning here, but I don't think these numbers aren't that bad. Sure, they'd love them to be higher, and I'm certain they'd love to outsell the 360. But I don't think this is a sign that the brand is dead, or anything. We're not in Wii U territory (sorry Wii U
I was just talking about rest of the world sales which are really weak compared to The US and UK. Because 50-60 million is surely not a bad number by any means.
Yup.
43m in the USA and 9m in the UK. 35m+ in other territories.
Agree with what you say about PS4.
Halo 5 bro. They gonna promote the crap out of it and ship new bundles and stuff. If the XB1 doesn't hit at least 20 million this year then they should give up.
Doubt that will be enough if they aren't 100 -150 cheaper. Sony usually has a lot of retailer Fifa bundles that get advertised on TV by Media Markt and other retailers.
Nydius
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I dunno, I think 20 million shipped might be fairly close (but not 20 million sold through to consumers). After all, the XBO is getting their staple Gears/Halo/Forza releases that should boost sales a bit through the rest of the year (even with Gears being just a remaster).
Liabe Brave
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The numbers do not make that certain at all. In order for Xbox One to be over 14m shipped, the 360 would've had to ship under 4.2m in the past 15 months. It plummeted over the last couple years, so that's why folks are predicting further giant decreases. But end-of-life products typically don't dive straight to zero sales. As they reach the floor, they begin to tail off.
A shipment number just under 14m is likely for Xbox One, I think. Perhaps 13.8m or so.
Hockeymac18
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Oh ok, my bad. Misinterpreted.
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So say it is 13m. You have it at nearly 20m at the end of the year. That really is a big holiday season, 7m!
edit, oops.
AnthonypUK
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When your previous console sold nearly 90 million..its bad, companies don't make products to sell less. Look at sony and the disaster the PS3 was for the company.
These are shipped numbers for the xbox. Zhuge is estimating about 14mil for Xbox one. Are the ps4 numbers sold through numbers? If the latter is true, how do we know that the install bases are not at 2:1, or thereabout? I only ask because some posts said we shouldn't expect to see a 2:1 differential between the PS4 and Xbox One.
JayWood2010
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So we are estimating Xbox One has 14 million
What is the estimate on X360? I know it is over 84m but not sure on the exact number?
What is the estimate on X360? I know it is over 84m but not sure on the exact number?
Thanks, edited my post.
It could be worse... Like WiiU worse - in terms of HW sales.
Welfare
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NPD data and leaks that equal up to that amount. There isn't a public source that said the Xbox 360 is over 42 million
A price cut should happen this year for the Xbox One in Europe, but it will probably not happen. There is Gamescom, though.
The 360 has been dying very quickly due to it being out for so long, costing so much, and the PS4 and Xbox One being out. Under 14 million is not that likely.
Around ~88 million.
Based on all data available it's highly unlikely that the Xbox One will be under 14 million. If anything it will be over 14 million, perhaps even around 14.5. Perhaps higher.
For now I'm just saying "Over 14 million" in order to simplify it as we don't have an exact figure. You can have a look at my graph for calculated error bars based on available data.
Yep. Plus Microsoft tends to channel stuff a lot during the holiday. They will reach 20 million shipped by hook or by crook. Even if that means you have warehouses full of unsold Xbox Ones.
Banjo-Kazooie
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"With the release of Halo 5 this fall, Xbox One will continue to grow in fans and profitability"
^^
She said it quick, I think I captured that quote accurately. If anyone else is listening let me know
Also, Bing will be profitable in 2016...heh
^^
She said it quick, I think I captured that quote accurately. If anyone else is listening let me know
Also, Bing will be profitable in 2016...heh
"With the release of Halo 5 this fall, Xbox One will continue to grow in fans and profitability"
^^
She said it quick, I think I captured that quote accurately. If anyone else is listening let me know
Also, Bing will be profitable in 2016...heh
Yup. Heard that.
SOME great numbers, yeah. But not from the Xbox division.
So, Xbone outsold PS4 WW in a past fer months? Didn't know that.
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.