Because when you're behind on sales, it would be embarrassing for the company if they were to put out actual numbers of the new console.
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Microsoft FY2015 Q4: 1.4M 360+XBO Shipped
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Because when you're behind on sales, it would be embarrassing for the company if they were to put out actual numbers of the new console.
The Abominable Snowman
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No, the PS3 was a disaster because it was a money drain and they made several drastic decisions to the ire of the gaming community. I think we have a misplaced notion on sales where we feel Microsoft is doing bad because we assume it won't have an LTD similar to its predecessor (Which is moreso because the Xbox One won't be on the market for 10 years, hopefully) and we feed way too much into console wars and the 'there can only be one' mentality.
Welfare
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Ok then. Just assume that.
This is a shipment thread, so I'm talking about, you know, shipments. Lifetime shipments. Not everything refers to sold through.
These systems are not selling at an even pace. It will be 2:1 very soon, if it isn't already.
No?
The ratio was never exactly 2:1. When talking lifetime sales.
Yup, it ain't no Dreamcast, but it ain't no PS2 either.
Fair enough.
Sold trough numbers. Probably till holidays it will be that ratio. We will see next week.
theprodigy
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It doesn't have to come anywhere close to that to prevent 2:1...but it will probably happen eventually anyway.
biglittleps
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Yup.
43m in the USA and 9m in the UK. 35m+ in other territories.
Agree with what you say about PS4.
Halo 5 bro. They gonna promote the crap out of it and ship new bundles and stuff. If the XB1 doesn't hit at least 20 million this year then they should give up.
Do you think they will giveaway Halo 5 in bundles (may be limited like Sunset) and do fire sales again this year? I dont expect that to happen, if it happens again then Xbox one value will decrease a lot.
Why would it be embarrassing? Xbox One is selling more than the Xbox 360 was on the same time scale, right? That's what investors consider a succesful sequel, it doesn't need to outsell the PS4 just so it can be considered succesful.
gaming_noob
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Can we all just ignore Conduit so he goes back to trolling Xbone in Croatian forums?
I know, but Sony used to do the same thing with PS3 last gen when they were behind Xbox 360.
Look at the chart that ZhugeEX had posted earlier.
To clarify.
I'm not expecting a Halo 5 bundle at $349 or anything (Or even a Halo 5 bundle at all?)
What I'm expecting is this holiday to push Xbox One sales due to the release of Halo 5 and the value being provided by Xbox. We may see a temp price drop but ultimately I'm expecting bundles galore where you get loads of games and value adds (like XBL) for $349.
The Xbox will certainly have a good holiday in the US and I'd imagine that a lot of sales will come from the US during the holidays due to the release of Halo 5. In a similar way to how Halo 3 pushed Xbox 360 sales.
michaelius
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More like invitable - PS3 got into >80 milions, One will be lucky to hit 40 milions
The thing is that the XBO will not perform better than the 360. Then investors ask why the product didn't outsell the PS4 and whether it makes financially sense to risk making a new console. It's a strange situation for sure. Even though the most important aspect should be profitability, right now.
That's a low number for a whole quarter and 2 consoles. PS4 numbers will handily beat that alone when we get those numbers. Is that next week?
Worldwide? Is that even true anymore?
Worldwide? Is that even true anymore?
Or more people owning an Xbox One compared to last time and thus more digital sales?
Correct. As long as the Xbox One is successful in itself then that's fine. For example the Xbox 360 was a huge success for Microsoft even though it didn't outsell the Wii and even in the end just sold less than the PS3.
With that being said, there are signs that Microsoft have had to do a lot in order for the Xbox One to get to where it is today and I'm not entirely sure I'd say the Xbox One has been a success so far. It's far from a failure and Is actually doing well, but I'm not too optimistic about the future based in its current state. Now it's up to Microsoft to continue pushing the Xbox One's install base in order to generate revenue and creating profit.
Just now on the CC, Microsoft said they're very happy with Xbox platform performance this quarter.
The Mad Draklor
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The thing is that the 360 was undershipped at the beginning of last gen and its sales enjoyed a second wind thanks to the Kinect. I highly doubt MS will be able to replicate the Kinect's effect with the XBO.
Welfare
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And with the 360 dying off, the Xbox One is doing alright for Q4.
We get PS4 and Wii U numbers next week.
Good stuff. Thanks.
JayWood2010
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Gamers make this a competition more than businesses do. There is always that push to want to sell the most, but in the end success is measured beyond being #1 in sales.
Right now XBO is selling more than X360 in the same time frame and that is good news and all we know for the time being.
With that said, I have also predicted Xbox One to reach 20 million with the Fiscal year report After December of this year. Statistically consoles sell better on their second year than first, and then better on their third year than second. Halo, Forza, Fable Legends, Rise of the Tomb Raider, plethora of third party games with the growing library will likely gain them 6m shipped between now and then.
C'mon bruh
AgentP
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Sorry, it just says "sales". So they are going to stuff the channels and ship nothing in Q1 again? Gotcha.
One thing to note for Microsoft especially is how the second half of the year (holiday season) is always their strongest period by far. I mean by faaaaarrrrrrr. This is a trend going back to the original Xbox and we always see Microsoft shipments during the holiday have a higher ratio to rest of the year shipments when compared to Sony and Nintendo. This year should be no different.
So whilst yes they may "stuff the channel" they will sell a lot of consoles both into channel and end users.
Welfare
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PS3 shipped 2.4 million in the next quarter, so yeah it'll fall behind then, but could come back in the holiday quarter as the PS3 shipped 4.5 million that quarter.
So it's really neck to neck in the US, I expect than, that the XB1 will win the holidays again (will have much better deals+ better AAA line up) and will probably surpass the PS4 in the US, Sony will work on closing that gap throughout 2016, I think they will lower the price at that point, it's gonna be very close there for the rest of the gen.
gundamkyoukai
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People saying that X1 selling better than 360 not looking at all the factors if you want to say it successful or not so far .
Truth is we have the hardware numbers but we will never have true idea how X1 doing in terms of profit .
Not like it matter since MS has so much money.
Truth is we have the hardware numbers but we will never have true idea how X1 doing in terms of profit .
Not like it matter since MS has so much money.
JayWood2010
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Exactly. Xbox shipped 6.6 Million last year(Q2). I forget what we estimated the X360/XBO split exactly, but this year XBO will rise beyond that number. (Not 6.6m, but the XBO estimated number)
It's close, when looking at lifetime sales in the US the PlayStation 4 commands an approximate ~770,000 unit lead over the Xbox One.
The next 6 months through to the end of the year will be interesting to watch, to see whether PS4 increases the lead or if XB1 is able to pull back a bit.
Oh so the gap there is still pretty substantial, MS than will need an amazing holidays in order to surpass the PS4 in the US this year.
Yea, I agree. Sure, the Xbox One isn't a massive success, or even a success yet, but it's holding its own. Spencer and Co. are bring quality exclusives with incredible diversity (not for the Japanese market, though), which is all that is needed to grow the userbase. Good games and price drops, that's what turned the PS3 around. They are showing they are bringing the games, and they have shown they are not afraid to use price drops to push sales. Though, for your 2019 predictions, have you take into consideration population growth? That seems way too small for Xbox One, and even PS4 should be larger. I think because of population growth alone, and gaming as an entertainment form expanding rapidly, we will see 100+ million for Xbox One and even more for PS4, by the end of their cycle.
But how long will Microsoft be able to keep this up?
Right now, their strategy is depending on November & December just to get huge sales. That's not a great long-term strategy.
Well they have at least five big AAA titles for next year, so they will be able to continue this tradition next year too. Quantum Break, Crackdown 3, Gears of War 4, ReCore, and there's Sea of Thieves ( PC too) and Forza Horizon 3, and all the other unannounced.
Scalebound too! How could I forget, goddamn.
RedProwlingDevil
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Is this an example of Microsoft padding their numbers?
Sony might have a say on this in next year's holidays as well, after 2 years being unprepared (because of fuckups and delays), there is no way they will have nothing in the third year as well, they can't have such a bad luck forever.
Windows Phone is incredibly strange. They bought Nokia, but that last flagship (Lumia Icon) was almost eighteen months ago, and on one carrier. The only more recent Windows Phone flagship was the HTC One M8... and that was over a year ago. And they are routinely releasing apps that are just for iOS and Android. The write off makes sense, although I'm not sure the purchase ever did.
Xbox One sales seem low for what the price is, although it is the slow part of the year. What are worldwide totals for the three consoles now?
Xbox One sales seem low for what the price is, although it is the slow part of the year. What are worldwide totals for the three consoles now?
Where did I say they won't?
Big to the core gaming crowd and forum dwellers like you and I perhaps, but in terms of mass consumers, Gears 4 is probably the only one of those that is highly impactful sales wise, or can really boost console hardware sales.
But I do agree that they've at least got a decent line up of exclusives to keep some sort of momentum. I think 2016 could be better in the sense that they should (hopefully) have a better spread of releases throughout the year, rather than just stuffing it all in Fall, and leaving many of their exclusives to fend off multi platform titans that cannibalise their sales.
My forecast shows that the install base across Wii U, Xbox One and PS4 will reach 150 million or less by the end of 2019. This forecast takes into account how the video game console market is set to grow/decline over the next 5 years and also takes into account things like Morpheus. What it does not take into account is the NX launch and effect on current gen + any sort of major external factor that can affect sales + additional sales extension tools from a company (e.g Kinect 3.0 being a surprise hit).
At the end of the day it's just a forecast which gets more inaccurate the further you go out + can't account for certain things. So don't take it as an accurate representation of where everything will actually end up but I do believe that it's an accurate representation of where the console market can end up based on all available information today. Actually that original forecast concept was drawn up in 2014 so it uses a lot of information from then. I've made minor changes over the past year.
The Xbox One and Xbox 360 totals I have are based off projected trends, market research reports, reported sell through figures and calculated shipments using data from Microsoft. There will always be a margin of error which is represented using error bars on the graph, first posted on page 3.
You didn't but it's a thing to consider, 2016 holidays wont be a easy win for MS as it used to be.
Alright.
Lets assume Xbox 360 did 250k, the rest being Xbox One. Up from last year for XB1. Sure the price has had a lot to do with it, well almost ALL of it BUT it's market share they want...so they're getting it - at least in the states. MS is going to live and die by the holiday months. If they get body-whooped by Sony in the holidays...it's going to be a short 5 year cycle for the Xbox One. I still think it will be regardless of what they do in the holidays but that just helps my thought process on even more.
Lets assume Xbox 360 did 250k, the rest being Xbox One. Up from last year for XB1. Sure the price has had a lot to do with it, well almost ALL of it BUT it's market share they want...so they're getting it - at least in the states. MS is going to live and die by the holiday months. If they get body-whooped by Sony in the holidays...it's going to be a short 5 year cycle for the Xbox One. I still think it will be regardless of what they do in the holidays but that just helps my thought process on even more.
I expect Sea of Thieves to do well due to it's aesthetic and genre, and the Rare nostalgia - the year Rare finally comes back to its full potential. And I think Quantum Break will do too since Alan Wake garnered a pretty big fanbase. ReCore is 50/50, and I even forgot Scalebound on that list, that will sell good too I think.
Like all of these for example will do better than Sunset Overdrive, except maybe ReCore, depending on what the gameplay is like.