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Says the person who has his post history hidden! lol Have a nice day hypocrite.Sure bud. I don't do the insults on a forum. Find a better way to cope. Have a nice day.
Says the person who has his post history hidden! lol Have a nice day hypocrite.Sure bud. I don't do the insults on a forum. Find a better way to cope. Have a nice day.
You were wrong? Has MS released a new game yet? Or you are writing this message from the future?I'm one of the people that said that Microsoft would continue to publish new games as multiplats. I was wrong and I'll happily eat eat crow.
They've made it very clear what their intention is. They just didn't want to straight out say "lol sony won't get our games anymore" bc that would be unproffessional to do so. However what's done is done.It’s started on a false premise so it was always going to be.
They haven’t made it clear at all and yet people running around acting the opposite.
They said “some” will be exclusive. New ip’s and some existing ones will definitely be Xbox only.I’m trying to say that they wouldn’t be able to create the exclusives Microsoft bought them for if they create new games in the legacy franchises. They would have to choose and put something in hiatus, and it seems highly unlikely that they would do that to the games they’re known for.
So, no exclusives for MS?
Common sense simply says that new entries in the big classic IPs will be exclusive to Xbox/PC from here on.
I don't know what kind of delusion people were experiencing to convince themselves a $7.5B aquisition wouldn't be leveraging Bethesda's most powerful IPs against their competitors. Next ES and Fallout are massive gets with enormous fanbases. I doubt Sony will capitulate (this gen, at least) and allow Gamepass on their ecosystem.
The problem with all these things is that they're just entirely based on presumptions, which have then been stretched out to "Huh, guess it doesn't make sense then."I think the reason why people thought this is fairly obvious. The caveat to all of this is that MS are a very rich company that has the resources to do whatever the fuck they want ...... but:
- individual divisions within MS still need to show a return on investments.
- getting a return on a $7.5 billion investment is a serious matter
- Zenimax going exclusive I would imagine turns the company loss making due to loss of revenue, games still cost money to make. Gamepass takes further revenue away from those sales
- getting an appropriate ROI on that $7.5 bn would need them to be selling an extraordinary number of additional consoles with full priced Gamepass subs (think in the order of an extra 10 million)
Now you can nit pick the detail of you want, but it doesn’t detract from the larger point that ceteris paribus the numbers on the Zenimax deal do not add up as an exclusive/Gamepass play and this is why people are sceptical. “Phil says” isnt evidence because Phil says a lot of things, not always consistent and not always what it seems at face value.
Now MS could take the Zenimax assets a different way and not just operate them as they are today, after all those studios are pretty far from prolific in their output and there are franchises that could be milked. They could also go a lower cost, more game as a service mtx route - which I think is inevitable in the Gamepass model anyway.
That’s not to say that MS can’t just spunk $7.5 billion, because they can.
My best guess just now is that they will go mostly exclusive, but the numbers will be terrible. I also don’t believe Gamepass subs will hold up over time when people have to start paying full price for it.
Respect, it's honorableI'm one of the people that said that Microsoft would continue to publish new games as multiplats. I was wrong and I'll happily eat eat crow.
I cant wait to pick up days gone on steam, its gonna go great with horizon zero dawn and bloodborne eventually....
No, again no and he clearfield better about exclusivity for this exact reason people like to spin. You did not saw the video of the xcast that i showed you right?They said “some” will be exclusive. New ip’s and some existing ones will definitely be Xbox only.
Massive legacy franchises with long history and huge fan bases will be cross platform. This also doesn’t mean they will be “day one” on PS5.
Keeping in mind exclusive is also valid in terms of getting something “first”, exclusive doesn’t ever imply a timeframe. A news exclusive is only exclusive till it’s reported by another outlet. In gaming terms referred to as “timed” exclusive. Still exclusive.
There’s nothing more to be said here. Phil’s doublespeak is legendary, and those with a predisposition to such language take comfort in seeing what they like. That’s what it’s designed to do.
I don’t find it impossible to navigate, I’m familiar with this.
Why not Sony does it all the time! Plus there only A few PS5 out as of right now not 60%.still, i am pretty sure all of those game, or majority of those game will come to PS4/PS5. you are not gonna just alienate more than 50-60% of those games buyers(real buyers) and leave those money on the table, you have to be pretty retarded to do that.
Not yet, but I will so I’m strictly going on the official statement for now.No, again no and he clearfield better about exclusivity for this exact reason people like to spin. You did not saw the video of the xcast that i showed you right?
Nope you should've bought a good PC (if you didn't have one already) since everything will release day one on PC anyway.
PC + PS5 stays the goat combo this gen.
Literally the same. I was always PC mustard race, have been playing on PC since 2002. I also had consoles but mostly for exclusives and I always bitched about 30 fps and controller aiming.I shouldn't, and I didn't.
I'm coming from PC. Good 15 years of PC gaming. I love PC. But this gen, consoles have better Cost x Performance, be it a PS5 or a Series X.
I wont pay more than double the money of a Xbox on a equivalent PC, dude. ~850 USD for the Xbox Series X here, 2k USD for a equivalent PC IF you can find a good GPU for sale. The prices of PC parts skyrocketed. And I personally can't see the appeal of a Playstation. The best combination nowadays, the way I see, is Xbox + Switch, not PC + Playstation, the reasons being library and cost.
And I must say, PC isn't the same as console gaming. After years of PC gaming, I must say I'm playing way more on Xbox than I used to play on PC. Power on, play, no intrusive stuff in the way, no need to launch any store, no need to click with the mouse anywhere, to type anything into the keyboard before picking up my controller, nothing. Just power on, select the game and play.
Have a feeling ES6 will drop on ps5. It was announced when, and most likely the contract for said game was signed a long while ago when starting production. ES7 is prob the start of exclusivityFear not. Even if TES6 never drops on PS5, I will create a Khajiit with a striking resemblance to you.
Do you think that publishers sign a contract with platform holders for multiplatform gamers? Unless you think there is a marketing contract?Have a feeling ES6 will drop on ps5. It was announced when, and most likely the contract for said game was signed a long while ago when starting production. ES7 is prob the start of exclusivity
Quite right, there would be nothing bindingDo you think that publishers sign a contract with platform holders for multiplatform gamers? Unless you think there is a marketing contract?
Probably looks like this.Do you think that publishers sign a contract with platform holders for multiplatform gamers? Unless you think there is a marketing contract?
They said “some” will be exclusive. New ip’s and some existing ones will definitely be Xbox only.
Massive legacy franchises with long history and huge fan bases will be cross platform. This also doesn’t mean they will be “day one” on PS5.
Probably looks like this.
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That way they can get sued into oblivion when a game falls apart or gets cancelled.
They got their PCs back?!?!
The problem with all these things is that they're just entirely based on presumptions, which have then been stretched out to "Huh, guess it doesn't make sense then."
We know interest rates are low, so we know big companies will be looking to spend money. We know the Zenimax purchase will one day pay for itself, because we know how successful individual titles have been. When? Not our concern.
Zenimax going exclusive (you imagine) making a loss just isn't based on fact. They were already going current-gen only, so the 100m+ PS4 owners aren't a consideration. If Starfield releases this year, that's, what? 10m PS5 owners vs, let's say 7m Xbox owners, and then the might of PC and perhaps some cloud as well. The second is the bigger total by a long way.
Your last point presumes they need to make a direct return on investment this generation, this decade, before 2050. Who knows? There's no way of us knowing what the targets are internally, but presuming the worst case scenario and using it as proof of PS5 releases was never a safe bet to make.
I'm not arguing your points to be a dick or to debate you, because these have been going on since September. My point is just that a lot of these arguments were passed around by people who will lose out on Bethesda games, and that they were passed around as gospel despite not really standing up.
It boiled down to "$7.5b is a lot of money", and no more nuance or thought was given to it.
I know a lot of trash has been talked in relation to this acquisition, and I’m not defending any of that. I’m not saying anything is gospel, just responding to the question of why do some people think games might remain multi-platform. Doesn’t mean they’re right, but also doesn’t mean that the question is wrong either. The Mojang deal is a reasonable parallel, at face value it looked expensive but they’ve made it work by keeping it available to every platform known to man and milking the fuck out of it.
The fact of the matter is that that $7.5 billion IS a lot of money, MSFT IS a public company and you can still make reasonable assumptions about the economics of a deal.
We do not know that the Zenimax deal will pay for itself, it may not. It may be a spectacular failure. These things happen. It has happened to MSFT before.
And whilst we don’t now exactly what period MSFT expect a return on their specific investment in Zenimax we do know generally - from their annual financial statements - what they would typically expect and it’s 5-6 years for this type of investment, so yes this generation is probably the best guess.
We also don't know exactly what Zenimax's financials were pre-acquisition as they were a private company but we do know that the majority of the sales of their major recent titles were on PS - e.g. something in the order of 58% of Fallout 4 sales were on PS4. It IS an assumption, but not a wild one, that losing half your sales might be just enough to flip you into loss making territory.
Microsoft will do whatever they choose to do, they have that luxury, but if the numbers suck there will be consequences.
As I've been trying to stress, the chief advantage of ownership is flexibility. Its going to be another situation like the "we don't believe in generations" line, which some fanboys thought of as holy writ although in reality was no more than a general indicator of their actual plans. Same deal with Jim Ryan's counter-statement about Sony's plans.
These enterprises are far too expensive, risky, and have far too many moving parts to ever be summed in totality by single glib soundbites and PR statements.
Basically PR/marketing exists to try and smooth over the complexities of business operation, yet so many posters seem unable to discern the difference between the two. Its kinda sad because it really drags down the discussion.
18 million gamepass subs as of January. Conservatively at $5/month average, that is about $90M/month, which equates to about $1.1B/year. If Gamepass were to hit 25 million subs next year, they'd conservatively be taking in about 1.5B/year. Then you add in the individual game sales, and it's really not a stretch to think they could fully recoup this investment in under 5 years at these subscriber numbers.- getting a return on a $7.5 billion investment is a serious matter
i didn't hear it but now i want to see the future and if there is a reason he is half laughing saying the word platforms.
Gamers whose egos boost +100000 pts by knowing a video game can only be played on their piece of plastic. They are among an "exclusive club of millions of other gamers" with the same hardware who feel like shit when random people half way around the world play the same game.Man fanboys are crazy, what do you have to gain from others not being able to play a game?
I just hope MS finally fixes their shitty Windows Store and Xbox PC App.
18 million gamepass subs as of January. Conservatively at $5/month average, that is about $90M/month, which equates to about $1.1B/year. If Gamepass were to hit 25 million subs next year, they'd conservatively be taking in about 1.5B/year. Then you add in the individual game sales, and it's really not a stretch to think they could fully recoup this investment in under 5 years at these subscriber numbers.
Whats far more likely is that these sub numbers explode with exclusivity, and they have a recoupmeny path in less than 3 years.
I remember when we were called fanboys and laughed off for stating the obvious.You have to be pretty pathetic to save replies for console warring. I'm not surprised it's you though, you're Spencer's right hand man.
He also said that he can't state the obvious until the acquisition has finished because it is illegal for him.But, of course, blame Sony camp and how they eat crow, but DELIBERATELY ignoring what MS said recently and more than a half a year ago :
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Yeah, Xbox fans, this is what your leader said. He wouldn't exclude others from being able to play and force to buy Xbox. But Zenimax acquisition happened and now flip-flop. Isn't than nice, Xbox fans. Never change, Xbox fans, never change. But it is understandable since you needed a fuel in a console wars because you were mocked in last 10+ years.
I thought I'd enjoy the meltdowns but so far it's mostly been just pretty sad.
Are you stupid? Honest question because if so I won't judge you for this awful post.Someone should tell Microsoft that they are currently allowing their "exclusive" franchises to all be played on PS Now.
You know, since they are soooo concerned about exclusivity for GP.
Kind of weird, isn't it? That they would buy Bethesda solely to have these games exclusively be on GP, then let them keep being on PS Now?
Certainly an innovative approach to "exclusivity"
Someone should tell Microsoft that they are currently allowing their "exclusive" franchises to all be played on PS Now.
You know, since they are soooo concerned about exclusivity for GP.
Kind of weird, isn't it? That they would buy Bethesda solely to have these games exclusively be on GP, then let them keep being on PS Now?
Certainly an innovative approach to "exclusivity"
Someone should tell Microsoft that they are currently allowing their "exclusive" franchises to all be played on PS Now.
You know, since they are soooo concerned about exclusivity for GP.
Kind of weird, isn't it? That they would buy Bethesda solely to have these games exclusively be on GP, then let them keep being on PS Now?
Certainly an innovative approach to "exclusivity"
Someone should tell Microsoft that they are currently allowing their "exclusive" franchises to all be played on PS Now.
You know, since they are soooo concerned about exclusivity for GP.
Kind of weird, isn't it? That they would buy Bethesda solely to have these games exclusively be on GP, then let them keep being on PS Now?
Certainly an innovative approach to "exclusivity"
18 million gamepass subs as of January. Conservatively at $5/month average, that is about $90M/month, which equates to about $1.1B/year. If Gamepass were to hit 25 million subs next year, they'd conservatively be taking in about 1.5B/year. Then you add in the individual game sales, and it's really not a stretch to think they could fully recoup this investment in under 5 years at these subscriber numbers.
Whats far more likely is that these sub numbers explode with exclusivity, and they have a recoupmeny path in less than 3 years.
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