feynoob
Banned
People will either buy it or play it on gamepass.
The only difference is that starfield is a long game.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Microsoft is increasing the price of Xbox Series X and Xbox Game Pass
- Thread starter jm89
- Start date
The only difference is that starfield is a long game.
Ansphn
Member
Lol I don't know about that. The last time I said something you didn't like about Xbox, you threatened to fight me. If that's not jerk off to Xbox energy, I don't know what is..
That is for Xbox fans man.
I like to play both sides.
graywolf323
Member
Don't listen to that nonsense, Game pass may be only 15% of overall revenue but it far outweighs premium game sales on xbox. The rest is mostly mtx/dlc and hardware. Especially as they've just hiked their console (and controller) prices too.
I'm not saying that games don't sell at all but suggesting the majority of revenue are games selling and gamepass is a small 15% compared to that is incorrect.
Last edited:
jm89
Member
feynoob
Banned
We are gaming forum. That just we how sound here.
You know very well that I don't take any side here.
All I hope is for you guys to put your games day1 in steam.
feynoob
Banned
Heisenberg007
If you play on all 3 consoles, you need some way to subsidize your gaming budget. That is what gamepass and PS+ premium are for me.
They provide me a huge Library of games without having to spend a lot of money buying those games.
Only outliner is Nintendo. Their games are too expensive, so Xbox day1 gamepass covers those cost for me.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That is correct. But that refers to the total number of subscribers / total number of Xbox console owners. I'm referring to the number of people who'd play the game.
Of course no one knows because MS does not share the data, but my guess is based on past marquee titles, such as Forza Horizon 5. 30 million players played Forza Horizon 5, but the game sold nowhere near that, or else we would have heard about it (e.g., FH5 sold more than 10 million copies).
Even if the game sold 5 million copies across Xbox and PC, that means 83% percent of players played via Game Pass.
Kvally
Member
I have no proof to counter that claim. Do you have proof to back up your claim from MS. I have not seen any such announcement from MS. My comment was a question, not a claim. I don't make claims unless I can back them up.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
How is that budget savings when subscription owners are spending 50% more money than those who don't subscribe?
Kvally
Member
I buy all my games, on PS and Xbox. I hate subs! I also have no subs for watching shows either. Even all my porn I sit through the ads
. But OnlyFans is tempting me!!
feynoob
Banned
Rich people.
How is that budget savings when subscription owners are spending 50% more money than those who don't subscribe?
Eotheod
Member
People acting like companies should just tank their value in a corporate world for consumer benefits. What latte are you all sipping and can I have some? "Oh they make tons of money just eat the costs so I can feel better about a console I don't even want/already have!"
Corporations are not charities, and there are a list of reasons why costs are passed onto the consumer through price raises. Namely the biggest is shipment and production, which right now literally everyone is experiencing with physical goods. But hey, maybe your local Woolies should give you that loaf of bread at 2008 prices because surely they can just eat the cost?
For an enthusiast forum with no end of armchair analysers, there always seems to be illogical takes on real-world impacts and chain of production to end result.
Corporations are not charities, and there are a list of reasons why costs are passed onto the consumer through price raises. Namely the biggest is shipment and production, which right now literally everyone is experiencing with physical goods. But hey, maybe your local Woolies should give you that loaf of bread at 2008 prices because surely they can just eat the cost?
For an enthusiast forum with no end of armchair analysers, there always seems to be illogical takes on real-world impacts and chain of production to end result.
Last edited:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nah, people falling into the "the game was free" psychological trap. So the content spend seems less of an impact to them.
systemr123
Banned
Your first and third point are redundant. You don’t have to spend 70 bucks on 1st party if you can wait for a few months is what you say yourself in point 3.Forgot to add that for Playstation Extra:
- Pay an Extra $70 for 1st party titles
- Pay an Extra $70 again to play said first-party games on a PC
- Wait an Extra 5 months to a year for recent 1st party games to be added to the service.
Also, those first party titles are generally way higher in quality than the ones from some unnamed competitor’s box.
Also, not sure why you want to play the games and pay 70 bucks again if you already played it using the sub on ps plus, but hey I guess there’s some people who are into this.
Also, general quality of the game library of ps plus is way higher than the Gamepass one. So you pay half the money, but get a much better offer.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
"Corporations are not charities!"
Kvally
Member
Chukhopops
Member
How is that budget savings when subscription owners are spending 50% more money than those who don't subscribe?
You can’t estimate the budget savings by comparing two different populations who spend different amounts to begin with.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Your average "F2P" people are more than likely to spend on MTX doses than if they bought said game.
Whales will always be whales, regardless.
These documents were leaked many years ago from these top companies and how they manipulate the psychological spend. Why do you think whenever you see a game go up on Game Pass or PS+, there is a hotlink to "add-ons" right along with them, sometimes discounted/sales on add-ons as well.
Last edited:
Not public data so you're going to have to just trust me on that one.
With public information I can make a pretty good case for you though. Look at Daniel Ahmeds breakdown of GNS data, see that premium/packaged game sales revenue for Sony come to ~$1B per quarter. Know that MS make ~$1B per quarter from Gamepass and then ask yourself would premium game sales on xbox come anywhere near Sony's massive lead?
Also no worries about making a claim, wouldn't even be an issue if you were making one. I was just trying to shed light on Phil's 15% PR talk.
Last edited:
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I can't stand anti capitalist types but the amount of megacorp stanning here is mind boggling. You really think Ms, the 2.6 trillion dollar company, has no other recourse than to raise prices?
"Everyone is doing it" not everyone is Ms. And many of them don't need to do it either.
"Everyone is doing it" not everyone is Ms. And many of them don't need to do it either.
Last edited:
Chukhopops
Member
Every game has cosmetic or content add-ons those days, otherwise there would be nothing to sell as Deluxe or whatever editions.
FFXVI, SF6, Resident Evil 4 aren’t gonna be in a sub any time soon and they all have digital deluxe bullshit. It’s just dishonest to link it to sub services (it existed long before those anyway).
The fact that GP users spend more than non-GP users is simple correlation that they are more likely play more and spend more time in the ecosystem if they are GP subscribers, which eventually means more revenue.
Last edited:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ok.
devilNprada
Member
The switch is also a great option for just these types of situations.... You can also simultaneously enjoy a nice bubble bath..
Ansphn
Member
And you know that won't happen right? I know you're smart enough to understand the business side of things.
feynoob
Banned
Waiting is virtue, even if it means 20 years waiting.
Topher
Identifies as young
Well if we are going to generalize then I'd say we get a dozen or so posts like yours when stuff like this comes up but it doesn't really add up to all the "pro consumer" praise thrown at Microsoft in the past. It would be nice to see all those "pro consumer" posts come back with "well, shit I guess Microsoft is just a greedy corporation like everyone else", but that rarely ever happens. Like anything else, I guess, the script seems to flip depending on whose favorite corporation it is at the time.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Weak men create hard times
RevGaming
Member
Aw poor man. He thinks Phil was right about reaching 3 billion "gamers".
I hope you like free to play games and paying $20 for every character instead of having dozens for $70.
You tell me which creates more enjoyment in the long term for less.
Gamepass is no longer in growth mode. It is over. Starfield will let you know the peak and that's it.
All this nonsense spouted by xbox hardcore fans that xbox was aiming for this cloud, mobile dream, and this is their idea and we love the change (not really).
You can't really make system sellers with gamepass cutting your gains and bringing the most least invested consumers into your ecosystem.
They had to make bigger and better games but it seems we are only getting one this gen for xbox (Starfield). The rest are double A games. Maybe iD will make something but this is it. Once they see Starfield not getting them back enough from the investment they'll stop making games on that scale. Anyways this was stated a few years ago by not the short sighted fanbase.
And you can say whatever you want but you are not seeing big budget games on gamepass from first party for the most part and third party (biggest is wo long).
Last edited:
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Cool console warrior fanfic, bro. Let me know when any of this actually starts happening. When it does, I can just unsubscribe. It’s magic.
Also lol @ games like Halo or Horizon 5 being AA.
RevGaming
Member
Forza is a sim so it doesn't have that high of a cost and you can see halo missed a lot of content. Like I said, it is already happening but you're too blind.
veterangamerUK
Member
Presumably after being told press X to pump at the right times
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Horizon isn’t a sim but hey, it’s not like you’re basing any of your fan fiction on facts anyway.
Rhazkul
Member
Yeah - but to be fair, during this generation the global economy faced several issues: pandemic, supply chain problems, inflation, scalpers...hard to predict such circumstances and difficult to negate it once it's going on in full force. For the first couple of years it was basically impossible to get a PS5 or XBX. And now that they are available, the prices are high and inflation is fucking people over. Shit sucks overall and i can't solely blame SONY or MS for it.
Last edited:
RevGaming
Member
It is lol. The game is recycled with each entry, it's why it doesn't take 4-6 years to make one.
I provided a lot of examples, yet you keep ignoring most of them. Have a nice a day.
Halo, upcoming first party not being on a big scale besides starfield, the third party AAA games that are day 1 on gamepass, how free to play charges more... anyways, a lot of evidence how xbox's idea of gaming could be worst for the consumer.
You get what you pay for.
You're the fanboy in denial. I've read the other commens and everyone is saying the same.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Horizon is the open world arcade series. It’s not a sim, and it’s loaded with content. The fact that you claim it’s a sim and it’s AA just shows how ignorant you are. No wonder you have such bizarre takes.
Free to play games aren’t in GamePass. You see, GamePass is a subscription service. Free to play games are uh, like free to play and stuff. There’s also not an Xbox first party game in the service that is designed like a F2P title.
You haven’t brought up a single example of anything other than your ignorance.
RevGaming
Member
So Forza Horizon and Starfield are on the same level of budgets? FH and GT7 are triple A but they don't cost that much to make. Idk if you read from all my posts but the main point I'm making is BUDGET for games.
They're not, but games that are practically "free" via gamepass will have to recoup the money through mtx. People who spend $70 and do not want to subscribe will get the worst part as their investment won't be enough because most people will be subbed and will pay $15 for that "one" game instead of $70. When I buy a game day 1, is a way of me saying, make the sequel better with the money we gave you. So either games will become recycled, mtx infested or won't take advantage of the next gen console.
You're the one that plays ignorant lol.
You haven't said a word about Halo's missing content, the games that are coming to xbox and their budgets and the type of day 1 games that are on gamepass and their budgets. You pick and choose what do you want to reply at and that evasive mindset tells me you have no clue what to say.
semiconscious
Member
xbox version of game pass: sub & stay subbed. enjoy!...
my (non-indie fan) version of game pass: 1) sub & sample everything for a year+. enjoy! then unsub. 2) wait for a major title release, sub, play for a month, unsub. repeat. enjoy!...
my (non-indie fan) version of game pass: 1) sub & sample everything for a year+. enjoy! then unsub. 2) wait for a major title release, sub, play for a month, unsub. repeat. enjoy!...
hououinkyouma00
Member
1. Horizon is nowhere near a sim. Either that or you have no clue what a sim racer is.
2. They are still AAA releases whether they ended up being fully featured or not.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
You don’t have a clue what the budgets are for either of these games, please stop trying to talk from a position of authority. Forza Horizon games are AAA games, just like Forza Motorsport games and Gran Turismo games. You’re confusing your personal opinion about these games with actual facts and reality.
Since you’re going on and on about these first party Xbox games that are built like F2P titles and have to nickel and dime customers to death, why don’t you list them for us? I could use a good laugh.
Halo development was a disaster, whether the game was launching on GamePass or not. Funny thing about you harping on Halo is that the main issues people have with the game os with the multiplayer, which is free to play and not in GamePass.
I’m aware that MS hasn’t really signed a Starfield level third party game to release day one on GamePass and I never claimed they have. But Starfield is a once in a couple generations type game. If the scope and content of Starfield and maybe even budget is what you’re using to compare to other games and just whether they’re AAA or not then I imagine you’re going to come to the conclusion that there are barely any AAA games in the industry.
But again, none of this matters. You’re a warrior who doesnt even know what Forza Horizon is but you sure will talk about it.
This also doesn’t matter because like I said, you’re writing crystal ball fanfic nonsense about a potential future, I’m talking about reality.
RevGaming
Member
Isn't a game that simulates driving? It isn't as a realistic, but it's main purpose is for you to feel like you are driving a car.
You seem to have the same issue. Halo was AAA but it was missing content that Halo usually had in previous generations where games were cheaper to make.
If you think they cost as much as Starfield (you did mention it later but see my further list) or God of War be my guest lol.
Gears 5 and Halo Infinite are two examples. You've been a member here since 2008, pretty sure you can remember the ones about Halo. Last gears wasn't mentioned online that much but it had mtx that the previous games didn't. You can search it online (lootboxes). You can also see a crowbcat video where 360 gears had more attention to detail though that could be a talent issue. Not sure about Forza Horizon since it's not a title I'm that interested about. Redfall is AAA according to xbox but that's like saying destruction all stars is AAA, and there's really not many AAA games. When it comes to the upcoming games, we've yet to see how iD's next game and Indiana Jones look like, but besides Starfield I don't see the AAA in the other ones. Clockwork and Avowed are supposedly AAA but don't look like one. Hellblade 2 looks like it graphically, but the previous game looked awesome but it was considered an indie game. Perfect Dark was claimed to be AAAA but MS likes to throw these A like they mean what they mean when they're not that. We need to see Fable's gameplay. For now, it's just Starfield until we see something maybe for 2025?
So you can see making the game cheaper to access creates those problems. I know a lot of friends that play free to play games. Most of them do not spend a dime. Whales carry those games.
Doesn't have to surpass Starfield, but Re4, sf6, sw jedi, alan wake 2, spider-man 2, ff16, avatar, assassin creed mirage (though it's $50) and a few others came out this year alone and those games have a scope of a AAA game. I don't see that as barely. I don't see Avowed or Clockwork having those kind of budgets.
I don't see it as a fanfic. I provided evidence what happens to games that are cheap to access and how the economy or the budget of those games are affected. Just give it more time if there aren't enough examples for you (state of decay 2, sea of thieves, grounded, pentinent, hi-fi rush, psychonauts 2, bleeding edge and other low budget games plus the AAA games I've talked about, plus big third party games like the games I mentioned above that came out this year not being on gamepass day 1 because I bet it would cost MS a lot).
I know it seems like console warrioring for you, but I also worry about sony and nintendo following this route. I prefer the premium way of consuming this hobby. It also creates competition because you are fighting for someone's money and time, and not just time.
Last edited:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Your idea of how to separate AA and AAA game is very skewed.
AA / AAA is defined by a games production budget.
Halo Infinte and Forza are absolutely AAA.
You're referencing crowbcat, he also made a video showing GTA V having lesser details than GTA IV, does that make GTA V not AAA ? you can see how absurd that statement sounds.
That's the best part, you have the flexibility to do that as you please.
I find the gold > GPU conversion extremely worthwhile so that's been my primary means of getting GPU so far.
Last edited:
RevGaming
Member
I said it could be because of talent and we know gta5 had over 100m budget so nice try.
I don't see how it unproves my point that gamepass will utimately cut corners from games.
if you are going to pick and make an argument from one line and ignore the rest of the points, don't waste your and my time.
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
Microsoft said just 3 months ago there would be no price increase. They lied to us. https://gamerant.com/xbox-game-pass-price-increase-activision-blizzard-deal/
You've got to realise that when MS lie to the public they do it with a smile because they always have an ambiguous out. They will say "oh we said as a result of the merger, this is because we just felt a 16% hike was needed before our popular game releases"
