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[remember_spinal]

If they could have, they probably would have. The Sony/Spider-Man contract is a holdover from before Marvel was bought out by Disney. Back then, Marvel was on the verge of bankruptcy several times in the 80s and 90s and was practically giving away their licenses and they gave the licensees ridiculously good arrangements that basically let them keep the character rights potentially for eternity. So as long as Sony sticks with their end of the contracts, Disney probably has little to no say in the matter. Remember how hard it was to get Spider-Man in that cross-platform Avengers game?

Sony will never let their grip on spider-man go at this point and theres nothing marvel or disney can really do about it. If anything it seems like movie and other media properties are negotiated in conjunction with the gaming rights.

Also, Disney just gave Sony the licensing to make the Wolverine game so it seems like they’re cool with the arrangements they have

 

[trikster40]

“Sure, okay, just those 3 right?”

MS: “Oh, don’t forget Indiana Jones. Oh, and the next Doom. Oh, and, ya know what, just lump them all in there.”

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Makes sense some games will be exclusive.

But hey, give MS credit. They bought Minecraft and Bethesda and there's been zero change so far. All existing games still going on, still being sold and even the existing marketing deals (Deathloop) still went through. Even Fallout 76 is coming to PS+ in Jan according to a leak, and so did Skyrim lately.

Cant say the same for Sony. When they buy someone, they go 100% PS. Look at Insomniac's game history. They made multiplat games, PC games and a slew of PC VR games. They even made some mobile games way back. After their big PS1-PS3 deals, Insomniac actually dabbled across many platforms and released more PC/VR/mobile stuff than PS games. The second Sony bought them, even all their PC VR games came to a halt. It's 100% PS5 only now according to their Wiki page.

 

[remember_spinal]

But hey, give MS credit. They bought Minecraft and Bethesda and there's been zero change so far. All existing games still going on, still being sold and even the existing marketing deals (Deathloop) still went through. Even Fallout 76 is coming to PS+ in Jan according to a leak, and so did Skyrim lately.

You don’t get a pat on the back for honoring pre-existing contracts lol

Bethesda actually haven’t released any new games since then, and their big new games outside of those contracts are exclusive

Cant say the same for Sony. When they buy someone, they go 100% PS. Look at Insomniac's game history. They made multiplat games, PC games and a slew of PC VR games. They even made some mobile games way back. After their big PS1-PS3 deals, Insomniac actually dabbled across many platforms and released more PC/VR/mobile stuff than PS games. The second Sony bought them, even all their PC VR games came to a halt. It's 100% PS5 only now according to their Wiki page.

What insomniac games did sony take away from other platforms?

 

[ReBurn]

He's not though, he's just exposing Phil's hypocrisy and lies.

 

[Topher]

Makes sense some games will be exclusive.

But hey, give MS credit. They bought Minecraft and Bethesda and there's been zero change so far. All existing games still going on, still being sold and even the existing marketing deals (Deathloop) still went through. Even Fallout 76 is coming to PS+ in Jan according to a leak, and so did Skyrim lately.

Cant say the same for Sony. When they buy someone, they go 100% PS. Look at Insomniac's game history. They made multiplat games, PC games and a slew of PC VR games. They even made some mobile games way back. After their big PS1-PS3 deals, Insomniac actually dabbled across many platforms and released more PC/VR/mobile stuff than PS games. The second Sony bought them, even all their PC VR games came to a halt. It's 100% PS5 only now according to their Wiki page.

Sony is still developing MLB even though that game is now multiplat. They could have told MLB to find someone else. Insomniac's prior games are still being sold on other platforms as well. You are acting like all that was pulled from other platforms and made PS exclusives. Factually not true. Sony owns the IP for Sunset Overdrive and that game is still sold on PC and Xbox.

The only games from Bethesda that will be on PlayStation are the ones contractually obligated to be there such as Ghostwire and Deathloop. You can say there has been "zero change" with Bethesda but we both know that Starfield and Elder Scrolls would have been on PlayStation and that absolutely has changed with this acquisition.

So your post is incredibly off base.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You don’t get a pat on the back for honoring pre-existing contracts lol

Bethesda actually haven’t released any new games since then, and their big new games outside of those contracts are exclusive



What insomniac games did sony take away from other platforms?

Sure they get a pat. Nobody says MS has to keep selling all their existing games forever on Sony and Nintendo systems. But they are still there like nothing's happened. You cant deny that.

As for other platform games Insomniac Sony took away, they havent took any existing games away. But their focus is now 100% PS5. So other gamers are getting zero from them going forward. For MS/Mojong/Bethesda/Activision, aside from whatever these 3 unnamed games are, the other games are still there and coming out.

 

[Topher]

As for other platform games Insomniac Sony took away, they havent took any existing games away. But their focus is now 100% PS5. So other gamers are getting zero from them going forward. For MS/Mojong/Bethesda/Activision, aside from whatever these 3 unnamed games are, the other games are still there and coming out.

Why arey you pretending Insomniac's Spider-man and Miles Morales do not exist on PC? What about Bungie continuing to be multiplatform?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sony is still developing MLB even though that game is now multiplat. They could have told MLB to find someone else. Insomniac's prior games are still being sold on other platforms as well. You are acting like all that was pulled from other platforms and made PS exclusives. Factually not true. Sony owns the IP for Sunset Overdrive and that game is still sold on PC and Xbox.

The only games from Bethesda that will be on PlayStation are the ones contractually obligated to be there such as Ghostwire and Deathloop. You can say there has been "zero change" with Bethesda but we both know that Starfield and Elder Scrolls would have been on PlayStation and that absolutely has changed with this acquisition.

So your post is incredibly off base.

Not off base. Insomniac's game development from when Sony bought them has been all PS. Aside from WIki saying they are involved with PC Spiderman porting (the big chart), it's 100% PS5 going forward. All their other platform games stopped.

Insomniac Games - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Badlucktroll]

Can someone please make an AAA James Bond shooter

 

[adamsapple]

Can someone please make an AAA James Bond shooter

 

[Topher]

Not off base. Insomniac's game development from when Sony bought them has been all PS. Aside from WIki saying they are involved with PC Spiderman porting (the big chart), it's 100% PS5 going forward. All their other platform games stopped.

Insomniac Games - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So Insomniac is 100% PS5......except for the games that are on PC? That's factually the opposite of being 100% PS5.

Perhaps you should look at the link you posted again:

 

[adamsapple]

So Insomniac is 100% PS5......except for the games that are on PC? That's factually the opposite of being 100% PS5.

Perhaps you should look at the link you posted again:

He's not wrong tho, those were ported by Nixxess. Not Insomniac

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So Insomniac is 100% PS5......except for the games that are on PC? That's factually the opposite of being 100% PS5.

Perhaps you should look at the link you posted again:

Maybe you can post a bigger list and not just the Spiderman games, which Sony bought Insomniac at the end of 2019. So these games were already in motion.

Before their PS5 focus, they made all kinds of new IPs for many platforms.... PS, Xbox, iOS, Windows, VR.

 

[Topher]

He's not wrong tho, those were ported by Nixxess. Not Insomniac

He is making statements about Sony in general.

Cant say the same for Sony. When they buy someone, they go 100% PS.

Who cares who does the porting? Those are still Insomniac's games.

 

[adamsapple]

He is making statements about Sony in general.



Who cares who does the porting? Those are still Insomniac's games.

Beige did mention in his post "aside from the spider man PC ports"

I think his point was understood that Insomniac basically ceased all other platform development, including mobile which would have no conflict with Xbox anyway.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

He's not wrong tho, those were ported by Nixxess. Not Insomniac

Good point. I assumed it was Insomniac as it says Windows in the wiki page. I forgot about Nixxes.

That even makes my point more clear. PS development only.

 

[Topher]

Maybe you can post a bigger list and not just the Spiderman games, which Sony bought Insomniac at the end of 2019. So these games were already in motion.

Before their PS5 focus, they made games for all kinds of new IPs for many platforms.... PS, Xbox, iOS, Windows, VR.

The fact that Insomniac doesn't support as many platforms as they used to (neither does Bethesda) doesn't change the fact that their games are factually not 100% PS5.

Good point. I assumed it was Insomniac as it says Windows in the wiki page. I forgot about Nixxes.

That even makes my point more clear. PS development only.

No it doesn't because you were making the case against Sony while conveniently ignoring the fact that Sony has expanded their library beyond just PlayStation.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The fact that Insomniac doesn't support as many platforms as they used to (neither does Bethesda) doesn't change the fact that their gmaes are factually not 100% PS5.



No it doesn't because you were making the case against Sony while conveniently ignoring the fact that Sony has expanded their library beyond just PlayStation.

Youre not understanding the context of what I'm saying. To you MLB the Show strongarmmed ports or 2 year old PC ports squashes the topic. It doesn't.

Where's all the multiple platform development? Where's all the new IPs coming out to many platforms at once or exclusive to PC VR?

Insomniac is pigeoned holed to do Pplaystation Marvel games since they got bought at the end of Nov 2019. And maybe Nixxes does a port 2 years later.

 

[yurinka]

Mmm... MS also mention this in the document:

"SOME future ZeniMax game MAY be exclusive to Xbox and PC when they are INITIALLY released."

Meaning:

• At least some of the Zenimax Xbox console exclusives could be temporal console exclusives
• Some other future ZeniMax titles may not be Xbox console exclusives at launch, meaning, they could be full multiplatform since day one as was the case for the ones released since the acquisition outside the recent PS exclusives

(Remember the "first, better or best" from the Xbox CFO)

quoting Draugoth , just in case you want to add this to the OP.

 

[ZehDon]

Skyrim 15th Anniversary Edition.

Skyrim's 10th Anniversary's 5th Anniversary's Special Edition.

 

[Topher]

Beige did mention in his post "aside from the spider man PC ports"

I think his point was understood that Insomniac basically ceased all other platform development, including mobile which would have no conflict with Xbox anyway.

If someone makes a claim that something is 100% and then amends it with "aside from" then it was never 100% in the first place. The fact that Insomniac no longer has to make mobile games is a good thing.

Youre not understanding the context of what I'm saying. To you MLB the Show strongarmmed ports or 2 year old PC ports squashes the topic. It doesn't.

Where's all the multiple platform development? Where's all the new IPs coming out to many platforms at once or exclusive to PC VR?

Insomniac is pigeoned holed to do Pplaystation Marvel games since they got bought at the end of Nov 2019. And maybe Nixxes does a port 2 years later.

Every example of Sony's games that are not solely on PlayStation squashes the topic. You are the one trying to make this about Sony, but you don't even give Sony credit for purchasing a studio like Nixxes for the purpose of creating these PC ports. And you didn't even bother to acknowledge the fact that Sony acquired Bungie with the understanding that Bungie would remain multiplatform. How many examples do you need to figure out your "topic" is squashed? MLB, Days Gone, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-man, Sackboy, Uncharted, Bungie's future games, TLOU in March.

We both know quite well that Sony's strategy is not for day one PC ports. If that is your point then you've done a shitty job of making it. I've always had the position that day one on PC should be the way Sony goes. There is a massive jump from that to saying Sony is 100% PS5 which is just bullshit.

 

[yurinka]

Insomniac is pigeoned holed to do Pplaystation Marvel games since they got bought at the end of Nov 2019.

Since they were bought they released a Spider-Man game, its short spinoff ("DLC" according to some) and Ratchet Rift Apart.

People like Nixxes, Iron Galaxy, Jetpack Interactive or Climax handled Sony's PC ports released or announced until now, which btw won't have been released at launch.

 

[SplunkyMunkey]

Instead of Sony throwing Battlefield under the bus and I know Sony may not have the money to buy EA games but why couldn't they make a merger with them I'm positive that battlefield can be great again but EA also provides great iconic Ip's they have multiple talented Dev teams for shooters and RTS

 

[Neofire]

This doesn't exactly help their case with the FTC ......but ABK buy out is supposed to be "different". Told y'all Phil has the gift of the silver tongue lol.

 

[adamsapple]

This doesn't exactly help their case with the FTC ......but ABK buy out is supposed to be "different". Told y'all Phil has the gift of the silver tongue lol.

3 already mentioned games doesn't help the case with FTC ?

If 3 games are enough to sway, the FTC must be real fickle.

 

[Ozriel]

Kinda hard to feel empathy with xbox fans missing final fantasy games when xbox very publicly took a major 3rd party rpg publishers off the market. Games which sold far better on playstation than Final Fantasy ever sold on Xbox.

People expect Sony to sit around and just lose more big 3rd party games? Xbox has pretty much created micro-monopolies of genres on its console with first person shooters and now WRPGs.

If anything this should give credence to sony if the should ever want to purchase a dev like CDPR or make more exclusivity deals

Someone’s certainly playing fast and loose with the chronology here.
Bethesda deal was announced late Q3 2020. Sony had already paid to keep FF7R off Xbox and paid for exclusivity for FFXVI well before the Bethesda deal. Not to mention paid for a year exclusivity for Deathloop and Ghostwire.

Let’s not put the cart before the horse here.

 

[Gavon West]

I would guess Disney would have the final say on that one tbh, there is a good chance they will insist a game based on a franchise like that is on all platforms

Can't call it. The studio is still owned by Microsoft. I'm betting it's exclusive as well.

 

[remember_spinal]

Someone’s certainly playing fast and loose with the chronology here.
Bethesda deal was announced late Q3 2020. Sony had already paid to keep FF7R off Xbox and paid for exclusivity for FFXVI well before the Bethesda deal. Not to mention paid for a year exclusivity for Deathloop and Ghostwire.

Let’s not put the cart before the horse here.

Yes, because Microsoft def would not have bought Bethesda if they had gotten FF7 Remake

 

[Topher]

Can't call it. The studio is still owned by Microsoft. I'm betting it's exclusive as well.

Yeah, it is hard to say. Microsoft's studio and Disney's IP. Could be a situation similar to Insomniac's Spider-man.

 

[Ozriel]

Yes, because Microsoft def would not have bought Bethesda if they had gotten FF7 Remake

Want to try re-reading my comment? slowly, this time? it helps comprehension.

 

[Gavon West]

Yeah, it is hard to say. Microsoft's studio and Disney's IP. Could be a situation similar to Insomniac's Spider-man.

If Microsoft is smart, they'd lock down the Indiana Jones IP if it isn't all ready. Especially if it's a title in the vein of Uncharted or Tomb Raider.

 

[Loope]

Kinda hard to feel empathy with xbox fans missing final fantasy games when xbox very publicly took a major 3rd party rpg publishers off the market. Games which sold far better on playstation than Final Fantasy ever sold on Xbox.

People expect Sony to sit around and just lose more big 3rd party games? Xbox has pretty much created micro-monopolies of genres on its console with first person shooters and now WRPGs.

If anything this should give credence to sony if the should ever want to purchase a dev like CDPR or make more exclusivity deals

They have the damn games on an open platform (PC), play it there. Besides Sony exclusivity deals really mean exclusive, that is only available on their consoles. Which is worse?

As a pc gamer i know which one is pretty clearly.

 

[Topher]

If Microsoft is smart, they'd lock down the Indiana Jones IP if it isn't all ready. Especially if it's a title in the vein of Uncharted or Tomb Raider.

I have a feeling it will be exclusive. If it were planned to be on PS then I think Microsoft would be advertising that by now as it would throw a massive monkey wrench against the claims made by the FTC.

 

[Jimmyisback]

Good. Exclusives are good to entice folks to their platform. They should be more aggressive

 

[SportsFan581]

And the winner of the water is wet award goes to...

Seriously, how did this website figure this information was news at this point.

 

[Dick Jones]

3 already mentioned games doesn't help the case with FTC ?

If 3 games are enough to sway, the FTC must be real fickle.

I think it reads more to form. What someone have previously done will guide what others think they'll do in the future. Microsoft should have bitten the bullet at Bethesda acquisition and said Bethesda games post Deathloop & Ghostwire were exclusive.

*insert car analogy here*

 

[RoadHazard]

They own Spiderman from what i know.

Then you don't know. Sony owns the rights to create and distribute Spider-Man movies only. Everything else - the character itself, comic book and video game rights, etc - is owned by Marvel, i.e. Disney.

 

[Dick Jones]

They own Spiderman from what i know.

Sony own the movie rights to Spider-Man
Marvel own all other rights to Spider-Man
I dont know who owns the rights to Spiderman or what that IP is.

 

[johnjohn]

3 already mentioned games doesn't help the case with FTC ?

If 3 games are enough to sway, the FTC must be real fickle.

Does the FTC even matter at this point? If the CMA approves that puts MS in the driver's seat, and the FTC is likely going to be handed a big loss by the Supreme Court early next year, paving the way for MS to get a quick win in court. It doesn't seem like any industry experts think the FTC has much of a chance here other than hoping and praying that MS abandons the deal, which obviously isn't going to happen if the CMA approves.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Does Sony even have a plan for Call of Duty going Xbox exclusive or are they just going to hope for the best?

 

[Topher]

Does the FTC even matter at this point? If the CMA approves that puts MS in the driver's seat, and the FTC is likely going to be handed a big loss by the Supreme Court early next year, paving the way for MS to get a quick win in court. It doesn't seem like any industry experts think the FTC has much of a chance here other than hoping and praying that MS abandons the deal, which obviously isn't going to happen if the CMA approves.

Nah, FTC is just a speed bump. CMA is the one to watch.

Does Sony even have a plan for Call of Duty going Xbox exclusive or are they just going to hope for the best?

Phil Spencer has already said Call of Duty will be on PlayStation as long as PlayStation exists.

 

[Azurro]

MS: We swear, COD will remain on PS, it's cool, don't worry. Everything will remain as is! I'm a nice boy!

FTC: You literally just bought Bethesda and are going to make all of their games exclusive to your platforms, which proves your monopolistic intentions.

MS: Noooo those don't count.

 

[Laptop1991]

Well this is the reason MS bought Bethesda after all, it doesn't surprise me in the least,

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Phil Spencer has already said Call of Duty will be on PlayStation as long as PlayStation exists.

If you actually believe this then you are credulous enough to be scammed of every dollar you'll ever have by some scammer someday.

He's obviously lying and just saying that until the acquisition clears.

The fact that Microsoft has not signed any legally binding document stating that CoD will remain multiplatform is the biggest red flag in the history of console gaming.

The moment the acquisition clears, Call of Duty is gone from Playstation.

 

[Topher]

If you actually believe this then you are credulous enough to be scammed of every dollar you'll ever have by some scammer someday.

He's obviously lying and just saying that until the acquisition clears.

The fact that Microsoft has not signed any legally binding document stating that CoD will remain multiplatform is the biggest red flag in the history of console gaming.

The moment the acquisition clears, Call of Duty is gone from Playstation.

If he proves to be a liar then that says everything about him, not me. If I'm wrong then I'm just wrong. Nothing more.

If Phil Spencer reneges on his pledges then his name will be little more than shit in the industry, especially if he is as brazen about it as you seem to think he will be.

No, I think Phil Spencer is much smarter than that.

 

[Dick Jones]

If you actually believe this then you are credulous enough to be scammed of every dollar you'll ever have by some scammer someday.

He's obviously lying and just saying that until the acquisition clears.

The fact that Microsoft has not signed any legally binding document stating that CoD will remain multiplatform is the biggest red flag in the history of console gaming.

The moment the acquisition clears, Call of Duty is gone from Playstation.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Warzone F2P was the multiplatform Call of Duty and rename the yearly versions as Not Call of Duty so they avoid PS.

 

[FF:Enhanced_Reality]

To be expected. As they grow into market leadership more will follow.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Warzone F2P was the multiplatform Call of Duty and rename the yearly versions as Not Call of Duty so they avoid PS.

Microsoft isn't a company that does subtlety like that. They just don't care. It's easier to just stop developing any CoD for PS and that's what they will probably do.

 

[OsirisBlack]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Warzone F2P was the multiplatform Call of Duty and rename the yearly versions as Not Call of Duty so they avoid PS.

Was just thinking the same it will be call of duty warzone and simply Moden Warfare no CoD tag.