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[VanquishUK]

Beautiful piece of hardware.

10/10 would buy.

 

[Lynn616]

That is my next laptop for sure. Looks great.

 

[dorkimoe]

i7/8GB RAM/512GB - $1949.99 would buy you a gaming computer that could max any current game + a 27 inch 1080p monitor and probably a ps4

 

[Blackhead]

Well in the presentation they were comparing it to the MBA so... even had a MBA up on the weight scale.

(I also don't know the clock speed of the i7 in the SP3.)

That's the comparison Microsoft made during the presentation.

They also made a comparison to the MBA + iPad. Why not add that in your comparison then?

fwiw: MBP Retina prices aren't too high imo but I'd never pay for 512GB from any manufacturer right now though

 

[DonasaurusRex]

...that is an enticing portable development ...surface pro..thing, wonder how it handles virtualization...its just running full x86 windows right....999 dont sound to bad for a flexible solution such as that...holiday sales might make it even better.

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

It depends on what you're doing as always. Are you doing serious professional work or is it light editing?

Light editing. No custom/heavy editing aside from adding a few effects.

Most of my videos consists of just editing audio, syncing it too footage, trimming the footage, and maybe adding some lens flares and such.

Feel like 4GBs and the i5 would be efficient... 8GBs and double the hard drive would be preferable, but I don't want to break the $999+ price barrier.

 

[Violater]

Waiting for Morphollio project to announce its windows version, then I will decide on what to jump on. One of these or a Galaxy tab 3.

 

[bedlamite]

Y'know after 3 years you'd think people would recognize Surface Pros as working PCs, not tablets

Still not sure if people are being wilfully ignorant or MS just failing at marketing. Probably both.

 

[Fularu]

Yes, let me go buy a $2000 tablet; that sounds like a good idea.

It's a full computer in tablet form. It's not a 2k$ tablet.

 

[Totakeke]

But what about the PPI?

 

[Spinluck]

The Surface digitizer's corners had a lot of problems with Wacom, but I don't think the solution is a 256 point pressure solution from whoever else.

What route do you think is best for those in the market for an art tablet?

I think I might just go SP2.

 

[Divvy]

i7/8GB RAM/512GB - $1949.99 would buy you a gaming computer that could max any current game + a 27 inch 1080p monitor and probably a ps4

Well obviously, but people aren't going to buy a Surface for its gaming prowess

 

[Pooya]

lols downgrade, it takes battery now and it's bluetooth, lool :\

it's aluminum now though /whogivesashit

5mp camera now, up from shitty 720p livecams.

 

[enzo_gt]

I'm updated the OP with whatever information comes out, so link it here if you see something official get updated.

Spoiler

And any Surface Pro 2 sales

 

[Anton Sugar]

For comparison against Macbook Pros offered on apple.com:

13" Retina MBP w/i5 2.4ghz/4GB RAM/128GB - $1299
13" Retina MBP w/i5 2.4ghz/8GB RAM/256GB - $1499
13" Retina MBP w/i5 2.6ghz/8GB RAM/512GB - $1799
15" Retina MBP w/i7 2.0ghz/8GB RAM/256GB - $1999

i7/8GB RAM/512GB - $1949.99 would buy you a gaming computer that could max any current game + a 27 inch 1080p monitor and probably a ps4

Same could be said to anyone considering an ultrabook. You do realize someone shopping for an ultrabook probably wants it for very different reasons (i.e., not sitting at home and playing games)?

 

[Dead Prince]

I wish they would release an i3 with more storage. Is there an SD cars slot?

no but they have an SD Card slot tho. at least they got a 5MP front facing camera than the VGA for SP2 lol

 

[Feep]

Confirmed, the model I got is i5 128 GB. Will mess around with it tonight. Some dude named Sean Ong is gonna make some videos on it tonight, too.

 

[Totakeke]

lols downgrade, it takes battery now and it's bluetooth, lool :\

Well, otherwise how are they gonna incorporate the click to note ability?

 

[Animator]

No Wacom according to Engadget, no buy for me :/

Yea what the FUCK is this microsoft? I was ready to sleep in front of the ms store today to pick it up first thing tomorrow but that news literally shat on my excitement.

 

[Goldenhen]

But what about the PPI?

216.33 PPI

 

[dorkimoe]

Well obviously, but people aren't going to buy a Surface for its gaming prowess

Then who is it targeting? (serious question) i just dont get why you wouldnt spend a fraction of the price and get a tablet that can do the same things, email, powerpoints, etc. You dont need that overkill

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Jesus Christ at the pricing.

Think I'll stick with my plan of getting a Surface Pro 2...

 

[Blackhead]

lols downgrade, it takes battery now and it's bluetooth, lool :\

it's aluminum now though /whogivesashit

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/21/1400603916-pen.jpg

5mp camera now, up from shitty 720p livecams.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/21/1400603933-pen2.jpg

Well fuck. :/ Not a deal breaker for me as I mainly use mine for writing not drawing (and the OneNote demo looked great, I'll eagerly await reviews)

 

[f0lken]

Then who is it targeting? (serious question) i just dont get why you wouldnt spend a fraction of the price and get a tablet that can do the same things, email, powerpoints, etc. You dont need that overkill

I am a photographer, I need it

 

[enzo_gt]

lols downgrade, it takes battery now and it's bluetooth, lool :\

it's aluminum now though /whogivesashit

5mp camera now, up from shitty 720p livecams.

Can you link where you got this from?

 

[Majine]

Then who is it targeting? (serious question) i just dont get why you wouldnt spend a fraction of the price and get a tablet that can do the same things, email, powerpoints, etc. You dont need that overkill

Well, the one area where it hopefully trumps lower specc tablets is the ability to multitask.

 

[Totakeke]

Then who is it targeting? (serious question) i just dont get why you wouldnt spend a fraction of the price and get a tablet that can do the same things, email, powerpoints, etc. You dont need that overkill

They talked about it in the presentation, people who own and lug around both MBA and iPads. Yes they don't use their iPads to do liveblogs.

 

[strata8]

When they were showing the pen a bunch of people in the thread were commenting on how responsive it was, but now that it's been revealed as N-trig it's suddenly shit?

I'm confused. Can someone explain?

 

[Divvy]

Then who is it targeting? (serious question) i just dont get why you wouldnt spend a fraction of the price and get a tablet that can do the same things, email, powerpoints, etc. You dont need that overkill

People who buy ultrabooks? People who need it for professional use? Artists (although they shat the bed on this one with the new digitizer). I'm not sure which tablets you can get for the fraction of a price can do everything that this one can.

 

[javac]

Levitation not included? What's the point then?

 

[Zalman]

Those prices...

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Then who is it targeting? (serious question) i just dont get why you wouldnt spend a fraction of the price and get a tablet that can do the same things, email, powerpoints, etc. You dont need that overkill

...what?

of course if you are just emailing and doing those things that can be done by a terminal system, even a 500 dollar tablet is too much. These are full x86 computing solutions, so their use is up to their user. I like that if i get one plug and play support for hardware is out of the box since its windows 8.1 pro.

 

[Anton Sugar]

When they were showing the pen a bunch of people in the thread were commenting on how responsive it was, but now that it's been revealed as N-trig it's suddenly shit?

I'm confused. Can someone explain?

I'm not familiar with this (I agree with your impressions) but it sounds like N-trig has, historically, been far less responsive than Wacom...?

 

[Blackhead]

When they were showing the pen a bunch of people in the thread were commenting on how responsive it was, but now that it's been revealed as N-trig it's suddenly shit?

I'm confused. Can someone explain?

They showed it mostly with OneNote. The people who are complaining are artists who have more specific needs for drawing programs (compare your real life ballpoint pen for writing with all the various pencils and brushes that artists use).

I'm not familiar with this (I agree with your impressions) but it sounds like N-trig has, historically, been far less responsive than Wacom...?

Yes, historically, Wacom is the industry standard. To be fair, there have been some challengers in the past few years (especially because Wacom charges astronomical prices). Many artists would dismiss N-trig outright or wait for a review. I hope MS puts one in Gabe of Penny Arcade's hands quickly so artists can get a review.

 

[Divvy]

When they were showing the pen a bunch of people in the thread were commenting on how responsive it was, but now that it's been revealed as N-trig it's suddenly shit?

I'm confused. Can someone explain?

All they demoed was people taking notes and not drawing. N-trig doesn't have the best reputation among artists. Artists expect much more than just the capability to write letters well.

 

[Spinluck]

Well, I guess I'll wait for reviews from the art community.

 

[Pooya]

Well, otherwise how are they gonna incorporate the click to note ability?

Click to note? I don't think there is anything preventing wacom pens to be programed to do that, they just sacrificed accuracy and convenient of wacom for this. Now it takes battery, now you've to deal with bluetooth pairing (turn on airplane mode, it won't work anymore!), With wacom you could use any wacom pen you wanted (there are plenty out there, whichever fits you), now here you stuck with a single propriety one. Cons out weights the pros here and I can't think of any here actually.

 

[Maintenance]

Holy crap at those prices, as if I (personal opinion) would ever get one at that price instead of a MBA, or hell even a MBP for the top ones. Wow, just wow.

Also, no more Wacom? C'mon MS.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Enzo: The docking station has three USB 3.0, two USB 2.0, ethernet, and audio connections, and also lets you output video at 4K via Mini DisplayPort.

 

[Pics_nao]

Still rocking my OG Surface Pro. Might get one of these when it drops in price though.

 

[Pooya]

Can you link where you got this from?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/presskits/surface/

 

[Divvy]

Click to note? I don't think there is anything preventing wacom pens to be programed to do that, they just sacrificed accuracy and convenient of wacom for this. Now it takes battery, now you've to deal with bluetooth pairing (turn on airplane mode, it won't work anymore!), With wacom you could use any wacom pen you wanted (there are plenty out there, whichever fits you), now here you stuck with a single propriety one. Cons out weights the pros here and I can't think of any here actually.

Hopefully the bluetooth is only needed for the OneNote clicking integration. Previous N-trig digitizers didn't need bluetooth to work at all.

 

[OmegaSkittle]

Looking forward to the deals on SP2s. As far as I know, that thing is good enough for me.

 

[Totakeke]

Click to note? I don't think there is anything preventing wacom pens to be programed to do that, they just sacrificed accuracy and convenient of wacom for this. Now it takes battery, now you've to deal with bluetooth pairing (turn on airplane mode, it won't work anymore!), With wacom you could use any wacom pen you wanted (there are plenty out there, whichever fits you), now here you stuck with a single propriety one. Cons out weights the pros here and I can't think of any here actually.

Yeah, don't you need a battery to send wireless signals from the pen to the device?

 

[Amentallica]

This pricing makes Apple look cheap.

 

[Totakeke]

This pricing makes Apple look cheap.

When Apple releases a MBA with Retina Display we can talk about it.

 

[Goldenhen]

9 hours battery life of browsing is pretty good.

 

[strata8]

This pricing makes Apple look cheap.

You'd be surprised.

 

[a secret-boss]

Looking forward to the deals on SP2s. As far as I know, that thing is good enough for me.

Yeah i might go with this to replace SP1 no Wacom is a letdown

 

[LukasTaves]

OMG, I need this!

But: Additional pen loop - $4.99

Does this mean I have to purchase a $5 dollar accessory to be able to hold the pen along the tablet?