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Still no ability for dual monitors from the dock?
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Microsoft Surface Pro 3 Announced (12", 3:2 aspect ratio, new stand)
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Still no ability for dual monitors from the dock?
wacom pens are powered by induction, they're not passive. Now you could've done that completely in software maybe with a different approach, I really don't see the appeal when you lose so much functionality.
Ugh. While this does look to be a great ultrabook competitor ... I actually wanted an 8" RT device :\
That said, I have no idea of its performance.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, this isn't in lieu of a true digitizer ... it's using a competing technology. This isn't a capacitive stylus solution?
That said, I have no idea of its performance.
Ugh...Microsoft.
I'm on your team. I really am. And part of me really, REALLY wants a Surface Pro.
But, as someone who doesn't have $1,600 around to drop on a whim, if you're going to price these babies in that range I NEED to not feel like I'm having to sacrifice anything I would get in a laptop for that price.
For $1,600 I could get a Yoga that comes fully-featured WHILE being just as portable.
These things REALLY need to be cheaper.
I'm on your team. I really am. And part of me really, REALLY wants a Surface Pro.
But, as someone who doesn't have $1,600 around to drop on a whim, if you're going to price these babies in that range I NEED to not feel like I'm having to sacrifice anything I would get in a laptop for that price.
For $1,600 I could get a Yoga that comes fully-featured WHILE being just as portable.
These things REALLY need to be cheaper.
It...it does more? It has a real processor? Are these comments serious?
Kano on the Phone
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This sums up Surface more than anything else really could:
Yes, but you need to be in contact. What they've shown is that by clicking on the pen you can make it take pictures and turn on onenote immediately. It's partly a remote control. We can argue that that's all useless, but they need a battery to do all that don't they.
N-trig has always used a battery in it's digitizer with or without the extra fluff features. That being said, it was never a big deal. The Lenovo tablet I had with N-trig used a AAA battery and I used it for over a year without having to replace it so who cares about that really.
People who buy premium laptops?
Right, but if they wanted to use Wacom and yet have those click features, they would need to include a battery as well, right?
I think people have difficulty understanding that it is not a tablet, and if they want "just a tablet," then this isn't the product for them.
Personally, Microsoft's marketing has been very clear from the start, it was never pitched as anything but a tablet/laptop hybrid at a pretty competitive price.
People who buy MBAs, artists, IT pros, engineers and many others, You know it's called "pro" for a reason and the price is right for those in fact, in that the cost isn't significant for what you use it for, it's your job or work related. If someone can't afford this because it seems to high for what he/she does, if someone is even considering getting an iPad for their needs, if someone doesn't know what this is, that person isn't the audience for this, probably never will be and it's a waste of breath to explain it to them. I think from the event it was very clear who this is for.
Right.
Sqrt_minus_one
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Come on guys it's a full scale laptop disguised as a tablet the price is not that outrageous.
Unfair to compare it with other tablets.
Unfair to compare it with other tablets.
Anton Sugar
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If it still had a Wacom it would be a great positive having the Pen support, but now with N-trig? Meh at best. Otherwise, the only thing that it could do more is games, but you could also dual boot a MBP with Windows, so the point is moot.
Also, you will need to buy a cover to this, and with that price you could buy this to a MBP: https://store.wacom.com/us/en/product/CTL480/
So now MBP have what? Bricks inside them instead of processors?
You tell me.
Doc Holliday
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N-trig uses batteries, and it's not as pressure sensitive 256 vs 1024 to be exact.
This is targetted a people who own a tablet and a laptop already not mass market.
spookyfish
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But won't most people be satisfied with their Surface 2, so they won't want to upgrade?
Regarding a mini, the recent info I've heard was that they were planning on showing what was originally going to launch last year (8" Qualcomm RT device, 4:3, pen support with digitizer). They were having supply line problems then, so they'd had to shelve it.
I wonder if at the 11th hour they decided to retool it with beefier specs? Hard to launch something that's already gonna have a bit of a price jump with a digitizer if the SoC is considered out of date?
I wonder if at the 11th hour they decided to retool it with beefier specs? Hard to launch something that's already gonna have a bit of a price jump with a digitizer if the SoC is considered out of date?
Mini DisplayPort can support it? If the device itself can do it, I would think the dock can too?
Anton Sugar
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Nice big screen and light too, at 800G
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I already mentioned this in the Surface thread in the Gaming forum, but yeah all these complaints of pricing are pretty ridiculous. Until we find hardware manufacturers making 800-gram i5/i7 laptops stuffed into a 9.1mm tablet form factor with a 12" screen and similar build quality, and selling them for like a thousand bucks, I don't think the Pros are exorbitantly priced.
The pricing of the Type Cover though.....
TerryLee81
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Looks very nice.
Wonder how hot and how loud it gets.
Wonder how hot and how loud it gets.
If you own a tablet and laptop already...WHY would you need this? And at that price?
Even I have to concede that MS just doesn't seem to know who to aim for with these hybrid devices. I don't see this selling any better than the previous Surface Pros.
PaulExcellent
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Yeah, for screen size.
If you're looking for price, the Nook+HDOMFG or whatever the biggest one is called, is pretty good.
While the batteries kind of suck, if that means a thinner tablet that's more power efficient ... I can certainly live with the trade off. Similarly, 256 steps is still usable for most.
I think the biggest question is accuracy and lag.
Yeah, every product should be $100 otherwise why make them right?
IT Pro and photographer.
I cant do shit on my ipad, compared to my surface pro 2. I can do everything for my job at home, or on a bus or anywhere with internet with my surface that I could while sitting at work. Because its windows I can do all kinds of fancy things like, install applications from wherever I want. It integrates with everything I do at work.
And i have full lightroom and Photoshop installed.
I've said it in the surface thread, but this really has replaced my macbook pro retina and my ipad.
im amazed they got a bigger screen size and thinner and lighter. But I will still be keeping my surface pro 2.
They need a battery in the pen because Wacom has the patents for batteryless pens. If you are not licensing wacom tech the only way you can do it is to put a battery in the pen.
Battery is not a deal breaker, that shit goes for weeks with one battery on every day use. My worry is the apps might not support whatever shitty drivers MS will use for their pen.
The main market for this tablet is artists and designers. The price they are asking for is a steal for me, just getting a intuos tablet costs 500$+. A macbook air or 13" MBP is no competition for this since those are way less portable and still require me to carry around a wacom tablet adding to the bulk.
I am still extremely disappointed they dropped wacom. It would have been the perfect device for artists if it came with a wacom digitizer.
Battery is not a deal breaker, that shit goes for weeks with one battery on every day use. My worry is the apps might not support whatever shitty drivers MS will use for their pen.
The main market for this tablet is artists and designers. The price they are asking for is a steal for me, just getting a intuos tablet costs 500$+. A macbook air or 13" MBP is no competition for this since those are way less portable and still require me to carry around a wacom tablet adding to the bulk.
I am still extremely disappointed they dropped wacom. It would have been the perfect device for artists if it came with a wacom digitizer.
So you don't have to lug around two devices. They explained it in the presentation, like that's the whole part of the introduction leading to the device reveal.
I don't know why you guys expect to look at some pictures and somehow understand the full meaning behind a product.
OP updated with engadget and Verge first impressions.
They said in the video that it is essentially silent (there's no fan).
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Pretty sure there's a fan...
Dead Prince
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theres probably an * somewhere. need to know on different applications and such.
Anton Sugar
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The new fan design is "30% more efficient than any other fan", whatever that means!
Potentially people who are ready to consolidate the functions of both into 1 device. It competes pretty closely with the MBA and if your software is Windows only this is a decent piece of kit.
Im considering a low end model. My laptop died last year and my gen 1 N7 is showing its age.
This seems favorable to getting another laptop.
Funny but personally I have a MBA 11" and an iPad Air that I sometimes "lug around" together. Firstly they're not that heavy combined. Second for what I do, having two screens is a big plus. Two small screens > one IMO. I can't imagine replacing both devices with just one.
For me personally, it's because of what I wrote above.
MrGreencastle
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There is a fan, but they've engineered it to be near silent. "Radially" venting the air to dissipate heat and noise.
Screen resolution is lower?
Understatement if I've ever seen one. The Split x2 has a shitty 1366x786 display with a max brightness of 170cd/m2 and a contrast ratio of 200:1. The SP3 is 2160x1440 with a brightness >400cd/m2 and a contrast >700:1.
And it's made of plastic, 11.3mm thick vs 9.1mm thick and 1kg vs. 800g.
But obviously this stuff only matters if it's an Apple device, where the price is justified.
Captain N. Tenneal
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They need a battery in the pen because Wacom has the patents for batteryless pens. If you are not licensing wacom tech the only way you can do it is to put a battery in the pen.
Battery is not a deal breaker, that shit goes for weeks with one battery on every day use. My worry is the apps might not support whatever shitty drivers MS will use for their pen.
The main market for this tablet is artists and designers. The price they are asking for is a steal for me, just getting a intuos tablet costs 500$+. A macbook air or 13" MBP is no competition for this since those are way less portable and still require me to carry around a wacom tablet adding to the bulk.
I am still extremely disappointed they dropped wacom. It would have been the perfect device for artists if it came with a wacom digitizer.
Agreed. They did all sorts of things to make this more compelling for artists (aspect ratio, working with Adobe on touch-enabled UI, more robust hinge) and then take away the most important aspect for it for visual artists: the wacom digitizer.
Now we need to see how well it stacks up in terms of accuracy and useability, but it also completely killed my enthusiasm. Looks like the SP2 is going to remain my portable workstation going forward.
Good for you. Not everyone has the same needs.