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Milo Yiannopoulos's UC Berkeley speech cancelled due to protests, campus on lockdown
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Do you think people who hold up instances like this really care about protests
People are recognizing those things more and more these days!
MHWilliams
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Once again, you have seemingly missed my lengthy response to you. Do not invoke without the full scope of the man. He pursued non-violence, but acknowledged what was behind violent outbursts.
As I posted earlier, he tends push hard prior to the event to purposefully get people riled up.
I'm not one for conspiracy theory but hasn't literally every place Milo has gone to, ended in protests turning into violence? Like I get it, he's scum of the earth, but why is it seem like people are so quick to do so? Is it because it's College Campuses?
Like, even bigger protests have managed to keep far calmer recently.
Like, even bigger protests have managed to keep far calmer recently.
Yes, the time has come to smash the nazis from within while we still have the clout. It's time to suspend concerns for order while the lives of minorities are at risk and our country is being consumed from the inside out by facism.
Don't let moderation doom this country. Things cannot have value over people.
Sunster
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that's why
Glass Shark
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congrats to the protesters
don't give Nazis a safe space
She's wearing a hat that is in support of a man who put a white supremacist and Nazi sympathizer on his National Security Council, that shit doesn't fly
Every person who continues to support Trump supports white supremacy, period. Give no quarter.
don't give Nazis a safe space
She's wearing a hat that is in support of a man who put a white supremacist and Nazi sympathizer on his National Security Council, that shit doesn't fly
Every person who continues to support Trump supports white supremacy, period. Give no quarter.
It's hard to say, it's ammo and it can be used to make the left look violent. That is never good, especially when the divide is very tense right now. It can make police and schools act a certain way to future protest, again imo nothing good comes from this.
DontBeThatGuy
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Did any Nazi's get punched?
Generalpsyduck
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Alright fair enough, it's still mostly true though.
Violence is not always the answer, but history also tells us it can be. I don't condone violence most of the time. I don't think the damage caused today actually helped the cause. But I'm also not going to cry about a Nazi being punched or say that this man has the right to say what he wants and not be silenced by others.
Antifa is strong here in the West Coast, especially near the Bay Area, Seattle, etc.
Plus the stabbings at the Nazi rally in Sacramento made the danger feel pretty real around here, which means more protesters are going to turn out to push these fuckers out of our cities.
Yes it is because they are college campuses
He is intentionally booking college campuses so that this will happen
Not that it necessarily shouldn't happen but he wants it to happen
Would be great if everyone could stop helping him build his following but it's also important people know it's not ok to agree with the things he says
It's a catch 22 type of situation
I mean fucking Berkeley
it would be impossible for him to think of a better place to incite a protest
Acceptable? Au contraire! It's even worse. A good example is all of the damn memes that started in 4chan in a non-serious, ironic and totally trolly way. I think we all know how that worked out.
In fact, there's a great movie that explores this idea. It's called The Wave and it's based on a real experiment a teacher practiced in a university. The movie is about a high school teacher that shows a documentary about the Holocaust to his students and states it would be easy to establish a dictatorship in modern Germany. They don't believe him so he starts an experiment to demonstrate that it is indeed easy and that people are easily manipulated. At no point in the movie he believes any of the ideology he's trying to spread, but he (just in case someone wants to watch it)
actually manages to turn some of the students into real neonazis
Very recommended to watch btw.
Gordon Shumway
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DontBeThatGuy
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Well, OK then.
EatinOlives
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Honestly, people looking to vilify frustrated minorities and allies are going to look for and find "ammo" anywhere. They vilify any protest, no matter how peaceful. They won't stop criticizing protests until they no longer happen or are so ineffective the world can effectively tune them out.
I see. Why do Colleges keep letting him book speeches?
Well I agree with that, but if you ever want to give them a legal avenue to do it then violence is a sure shot.
I didn't miss your post sir, and I actually agreed by saying: "MLK in no uncertain term rejected violence. He drew attention that riots are not unprovoked, that they're caused by prevailing injustice and need to have their underlying causes addressed; acknowledge the conditions that cause violence and fix the underlying cause. "
There are in this thread, however, assertions quite to the contrary of that. I can't abide "the only thing these people know is violence" and "being peaceful got MLK killed." That stuff is quite nutters, as though MLK shouldn't have been as he was.
One of Milo's supporters shot a man at a protest at the University of Washington on the evening of Inauguration Day. The man who shot the protester claimed it was in self-defense.
She retweeted Mike Cernovich, ha.
ZombiePlatypus
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Good. Some ideas don't deserve exposure.
There's another movie called "Look Who's Back" that goes one step further: Adolf Hitler is reincarnated in modern day Germany and people assume he's a comedian pretending to be Hitler for laughs.
Because he will unleash his internet hellstorm on them if they don't
He's impervious to internet hate but colleges are extremely vulnerable to it
EatinOlives
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Complacency and ineffective expressions of speech also keeps the status quo and minorities oppressed as well. The ultimate answer is in not normalizing this rotten alt-right ideology and not letting them hold office. The country already failed at the latter, people are doing whatever they can to do the former. It's messy, there's no silver bullet, and there's no "pure and virtuous" way of doing it, but it's the only real way to fight back at this point.
how do you know the person being beaten was a nazi?
Sunster
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yea crazy things will happen during protests. i don't like it either but it doesn't negate the entire thing.
Never heard of that one! Definitely gonna watch it. It's kind of like how Trump is a buffoon.
Except we don't laugh much...
No, that's not answer. I'd like to know the context of that event though.
MHWilliams
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Generally, the speeches are booked by student organizations, who have a dispensation to acquire and schedule speakers at their local university. Most colleges don't step in until it becomes a major problem.
Fair enough.
It is not.
everyday math
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At least post it.
I found the video in the comments of the twitter video of the girl getting maced. The guy who posted it has an anime girl wearing a make America great again hat as an avatar so perhaps he's not to be trusted.
I'm kinda reluctant to in case the video is of an unrelated event and is being used to spread misinformation.
I'm kinda reluctant to in case the video is of an unrelated event and is being used to spread misinformation.
I'm more disturbed by anime girl avatars than MAGA hats though I admit both are pretty disturbing and are a shameful force when together
seems pretty useless to not post it out of not wanting to spread misinformation while at the same time decrying the actions in the video
If it's fake or unrelated you are already spreading misinformation by talking about it. At least if you post it people can figure out for themselves if it's real.
The thought that it could be unrelated only came to me after my first post, but fair point.
Here it is.
ABC posted their view of it, although it is only 3 seconds. So it does seem legitimate, unless we are talking about different incidents of course. Still trying to catch up on everything here.
https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/827039436596670464
Gordon Shumway
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lol..
Eh she was screaming about another dude, the guy on the ground didn't get hit when he laid motionless. Here is the link.
What about this?
why does that childish horse have tattoos?
Well then let's all be sure we take the right side, then - the people protesting and protecting their communities and schools against the violent ideology of fascism and not the police and university who give the fash platform and permission to propagate - because this sort of thing is not going to stop and you're going to see more and more of it. It's time to start looking at our reactions to violence and our notions about non-violence, because it's clear that structural (and literal) violence exists whether or not we participate in it and the people have a right to defend themselves from it. This is some shit we on the left really need to think about right now.
The University, by the way, and in particular the Univ. of California and its dedicated police force, are already well-equipped to punish activists, and has a long history of doing so. I should know, I've been detained and harassed by them, been put on a list, and I never smashed a damn thing!
Very proud of the people over there tonight.
¡No Pasarán!
SkoomaSuckinSwit
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MILO Addresses The UC Berkeley Riots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-sX5JLwidE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-sX5JLwidE
I mean which one of the dudes getting attacked by a mob she's yelling at isn't really my issue and it certainly looks like the guy on the ground is out cold and hit a few times before that other guy stops them.
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