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[Rufus]

@Pinko
I think you meant to say efficient, time saving and not bordering (as much) on OCD/ Asperger's.

 

[HappyBivouac]

The article says the reddish colored rock that makes up the majority of hell is a material that burns forever unless doused. Pretty sure that's what we need for lanterns, and it seems pretty abundant as long as you can survive while you get your stash. :lol

This is going to be so fucking awesome.

 

[Pinko Marx]

....
wat

Somebody introduced me to a way to get obsidian that doesn't need diamond picks a page or two back: basically just build a mold out of stone, put the lava in the mold, and build it that way. Have to do one level at a time (which would take a little while to accomplish), so the practicality of this in hell depends on the frequency of ghasts, but overall it's much better than diamond picking it IMO.

The pussy way, instead of mining out the obsidian by hand near blazing hot lava, you mold it out like its some pottery project or something.
I'm a man, dammit. This ain't art class. Its Minecraft.

 

[Pinko Marx]

The article says the reddish colored rock that makes up the majority of hell is a material that burns forever unless doused. Pretty sure that's what we need for lanterns, and it seems pretty abundant as long as you can survive while you get your stash. :lol

This is going to be so fucking awesome.

Well that woud be silly. So those who don't have access to obsidian yet are just SOL? That means when you start a new world, your house is useless because the torches will just go out and you'd walk back there to find that some creepers have taken up residence.

 

[Rufus]

Well have fun wasting time and energy then.

 

[Pinko Marx]

wasting time and energy then.

Isn't that the point of video games in the first place? ¯\(°_o)/¯

 

[Vinci]

The pussy way, instead of mining out the obsidian by hand near blazing hot lava, you mold it out like its some pottery project or something.
I'm a man, dammit. This ain't art class. Its Minecraft.

And any manufacturer should want something that's far more efficient and sustainable. I don't consider myself a miner as much as a manufacturer and engineer when playing this thing. I mean, yes, I mine a lot - but only for the resources I need. Any method to help me garner those resources that saves time, keeps me healthy, and is easily repeatable is a good thing.

YMMV. But it has nothing to do with 'pussy.'

 

[WanderingWind]

Well yeah if you do it the pussy way.

Yeah. But, the thing is, my friend doesn't know how to adequately make obsidian. He's a numpty though, so if anybody wants to explain how to make more than a block at a time, he - my friend - would love it.

 

[Pinko Marx]

Yeah. But, the thing is, my friend doesn't know how to adequately make obsidian. He's a numpty though, so if anybody wants to explain how to make more than a block at a time, he - my friend - would love it.

Somebody introduced me to a way to get obsidian that doesn't need diamond picks a page or two back: basically just build a mold out of stone, put the lava in the mold, and build it that way. Have to do one level at a time (which would take a little while to accomplish), so the practicality of this in hell depends on the frequency of ghasts, but overall it's much better than diamond picking it IMO.

.

 

[WanderingWind]

So, you make the mold, fill it with lava and then dump water on it? Holy...

 

[Vinci]

So, you make the mold, fill it with lava and then dump water on it? Holy...

Yeah. One step at a time. It's time-consuming, but then the alternative isn't exactly expedient either.

 

[BobsRevenge]

So, you make the mold, fill it with lava and then dump water on it? Holy...

This kind of thing is what makes the game so awesome.

 

[Quixzlizx]

It would be cool if you could add lava buckets to armor recipes to make fire-resistant/proof armor. Maybe force it to be gold so it finally has an in-game use.

 

[HappyBivouac]

Well that woud be silly. So those who don't have access to obsidian yet are just SOL? That means when you start a new world, your house is useless because the torches will just go out and you'd walk back there to find that some creepers have taken up residence.

1) You don't know how long torches will last.
2) Finding that my torches have gone out and some creepers have taken up residence would be a horrifically awesome dream come true. I would love that.
3) If you can't get yourself some Obsidian, either by making a diamond pick or by doing it the "pussy way" as you so elegantly referred to it, within a few hours of starting your world, then you kind of suck at Minecraft.

 

[Ferrio]

People who built their houses out of obsidian are going to come home to a nasty surprise.

Spoiler

Ya i know you gotta light the entrance on fire...

 

[Vinci]

1) You don't know how long torches will last.
2) Finding that my torches have gone out and some creepers have taken up residence would be a horrifically awesome dream come true. I would love that.
3) If you can't get yourself some Obsidian, either by making a diamond pick or by doing it the "pussy way" as you so elegantly referred to it, within a few hours of starting your world, then you kind of suck at Minecraft.

To be fair, new people to the game are going to find it very difficult once some of these changes take place.

 

[mollipen]

3) If you can't get yourself some Obsidian, either by making a diamond pick or by doing it the "pussy way" as you so elegantly referred to it, within a few hours of starting your world, then you kind of suck at Minecraft.

Let's be fair here: some people actually want to play the game without reading about how to make everything on the internet. So, making that kind of blanket statement isn't really fair.

 

[Monroeski]

Creepers aren't overpowered though. They are pretty easy to kill.

Compared to everything else they are IMO. Zombies and spiders are on the low end of the totem pole, since skeletons at least have projectiles. In a straight up fight, I'd probably rather fight a creeper than a skeleton, since the skeleton will be getting damage in regardless, but what makes the creepers the worst IMO is that you don't hear them coming and they're a OHKO a lot of the time.

Let's be fair here: some people actually want to play the game without reading about how to make everything on the internet. So, making that kind of blanket statement isn't really fair.

He was really assuming you already knew how to get obsidian in the context of getting to the new area. If you know enough about the game to be at the point where you are looking to make a door of obsidian and set it on fire to get to hell, you should damn well know enough about Minecraft to be able to find lava without too much trouble.

To be fair, new people to the game are going to find it very difficult once some of these changes take place.

Definitely. Better get good at finding coal really quick.

 

[Pinko Marx]

1) You don't know how long torches will last.
2) Finding that my torches have gone out and some creepers have taken up residence would be a horrifically awesome dream come true. I would love that.
3) If you can't get yourself some Obsidian, either by making a diamond pick or by doing it the "pussy way" as you so elegantly referred to it, within a few hours of starting your world, then you kind of suck at Minecraft.

1) Doesn't matter how long they last, they're temporary, which means you always run the risk of them going out.
2) No...No its not. I consider my house the one place I can be safe and not have to worry about shit. I WOULD NOT like to walk in and have to deal with creepers or any other kind of mob.
3) Well now you're just being a jerk.

 

[ZZMitch]

I am guessing those yellow blocks seen in the first hell picture from a week or so back (PC gamer calls them Australium) are what you need to make lanterns.

 

[Sword Familiar]

Thanks! Some more pictures:

/pics/

I know, my castle isn't very impressive. However, there was never a rebuild or something like that. This was my base from the beginning and it's getting bigger and bigger.

Looks alright, albeit a bit blockier than it looked from afar. I've been playing it for some time now and I've got almost nothing to show for it . Been mostly digging around, trying out the different mechanics. I am building a tower of sorts, but I don't think I want to post any pictures of it just yet.

 

[Ferrio]

1) Doesn't matter how long they last, they're temporary, which means you always run the risk of them going out.
2) No...No its not. I consider my house the one place I can be safe and not have to worry about shit. I WOULD NOT like to walk in and have to deal with creepers or any other kind of mob.
3) Well now you're just being a jerk.

Then put your game to passive or whatever. Seriously the game needs a kick in the pants in the difficulty department and this is a good change. You should have to upkeep your home/base. I don't understand this whining about torches at all.

 

[ZZMitch]

1) Doesn't matter how long they last, they're temporary, which means you always run the risk of them going out.
2) No...No its not. I consider my house the one place I can be safe and not have to worry about shit. I WOULD NOT like to walk in and have to deal with creepers or any other kind of mob.
3) Well now you're just being a jerk.

Then put it on peaceful and stop complaining, for most people the game is too easy.

 

[Pinko Marx]

Then put it on peaceful and stop complaining, for most people the game is too easy.

Then put your game to passive or whatever. Seriously the game needs a kick in the pants in the difficulty department and this is a good change. You should have to upkeep your home/base. I don't understand this whining about torches at all.

No thats dumb too, you guys are dumb.

 

[BobsRevenge]

I don't really see the game as being too easy or hard. If you're prepared its easy enough, but you sort of have to play it safe. But its not like you can go adventuring all night and expect to not be fucked, or rush into a combat situation and expect to live.

 

[WanderingWind]

Then put your game to passive or whatever. Seriously the game needs a kick in the pants in the difficulty department and this is a good change. You should have to upkeep your home/base. I don't understand this whining about torches at all.

Then put it on peaceful and stop complaining, for most people the game is too easy.

This is a pretty annoying attitude, to be honest. This seems to be the knee-jerk reaction anytime somebody says "Hey, this would be a cool change." Sure, some people like to whine about every change/challenge, but saying this in response isn't any better.

We're getting to the point where long-term Minecraft players are starting to get a little assholish in their responses to things. It's so unnecessary for such a peaceful little game.

 

[GDJustin]

I'm kind of ambivalent towards all the new changes. Part of the appeal of Minecraft was its extremely simplistic design. It was VERY basic, but you could then take those basics, and do with it whatever you wanted. Adding in a Hell fast-travel system powered by obsidian portals, and requiring dimensional swapping in order to make lanterns... it ruins the "elegance" of a Minecraft play session, somewhat.

Also, I'm curious about how Hell will work as a fast-travel system. Let's say you want to create two very spread-out bases. So you make a portal at each. When you hop into hell, how will you know where your other portal is? I guess you could make a safe tunnel between them. But it seems like the initial portal jumping will be disorienting.

 

[Ferrio]

This is a pretty annoying attitude, to be honest. This seems to be the knee-jerk reaction anytime somebody says "Hey, this would be a cool change." Sure, some people like to whine about every change/challenge, but saying this in response isn't any better.

We're getting to the point where long-term Minecraft players are starting to get a little assholish in their responses to things. It's so unnecessary for such a peaceful little game.

I'm just annoyed that the creator is adding stuff to the game and people are up in arms about it. They should be celebrating, not bitching about new content. If the change truly does annoy them, then setting to passive pretty much what they'll have to do. The response to these changes is so similiar to MMO players when they're class gets nerfed, it's stupid.

 

[Monroeski]

To be fair, new people to the game are going to find it very difficult once some of these changes take place.

Re-quoting since I came up with something else to add.

The game will get a difficulty boost, but along with that will come a need to simply adapt faster. The early game kind of follows the old school NES "you'll die a lot and it's not necessarily a bad thing" type gameplay. Everyone will run across a random creeper or skeleton, or have their torches go out; the key will be how soon they figure out to make a moat or build a high platform that the mobs can't reach. May have to spend a few nights on a 20x1 tower of dirt praying for the morning.

 

[BobsRevenge]

I think the added dimension is awesome, but what the game really needs is an expanded crafting system. Maybe adding another tier and being able to use red stone and other materials together to create things like water pumps or something. Like, just things that allow you to create more stuff and expand on the building aspect.

Whats in there is kind of random. Like... books? Bookshelves? Not really any point to that especially, just kind of a weirdly specific decoration. :lol

 

[WanderingWind]

I'm just annoyed that the creator is adding stuff to the game and people are up in arms about it. They should be celebrating, not bitching about new content.

Okay, well understand that to some people, less is more. I can see not wanting to deal with creepers in your house (though I'm sure if you're smart enough you can figure that out, yes?). It's Minecraft, man. It's the game with no wrong or right way to play, but we've got people saying "maybe you just suck at Minecraft" and talking shit about content that hasn't yet appeared. I just don't think bringing up questions about the new stuff necessitates being told to put it on easy and to STFU. They're legitimate concerns, IMO.

 

[Tobor]

I was told before that existing torches will become lanterns when the update hits. Is that no longer the case?

 

[Pinko Marx]

I'm just annoyed that the creator is adding stuff to the game and people are up in arms about it. They should be celebrating, not bitching about new content. If the change truly does annoy them, then setting to passive pretty much what they'll have to do. The response to these changes is so similiar to MMO players when they're class gets nerfed, it's stupid.

I'm not bitching about the torch/latern change. I was bitching about HappyBiovulac's idea of using Hell blocks to make laterns.

I was told before that existing torches will become lanterns when the update hits. Is that no longer the case?

Its still the case.

 

[Vinci]

Re-quoting since I came up with something else to add.

The game will get a difficulty boost, but along with that will come a need to simply adapt faster. The early game kind of follows the old school NES "you'll die a lot and it's not necessarily a bad thing" type gameplay. Everyone will run across a random creeper or skeleton, or have their torches go out; the key will be how soon they figure out to make a moat or build a high platform that the mobs can't reach. May have to spend a few nights on a 20x1 tower of dirt praying for the morning.

Well, admittedly, multiplayer could help this area. They log onto a server and people are like, "Oh, you're new? Here's what you need to know." Or at least that's what I'm hoping will happen, though history seems to suggest they'll probably just go, "Noob? GTFO."

 

[ZZMitch]

I'm not bitching about the torch/latern change. I was bitching about HappyBiovulac's idea of using Hell blocks to make laterns.



Its still the case.

Its not an idea, notch said on his twitter you may need to go into hell in order to build lanters

 

[fredrancour]

Anybody know why my friend's private server won't allow anyone to place water or lava blocks? We thought at first it was just due to the attack on Minecraft.net but now I'm wondering if there's a setting or something for that.

Multiplayer is farther behind in development that single player. That issue is a bug that affects all multiplayer servers right now, just like the minecarts not working in multi. fingers crossed that a fix is included in the big update.

 

[Tobor]

Its not an idea, notch said on his twitter you may need to go into hell in order to build lanters

So we still don't know what the mats for lanterns will be? It's still undecided?

 

[ZZMitch]

So we still don't know what the mats for lanterns will be? It's still undecided?

No one but notch knows at this point.

 

[Tobor]

No one but notch knows at this point.

Thanks. Sorry for the stupid questions, I haven't been keeping up and my game is on hold until after the update.

 

[Vinci]

And to address some concerns, I'd like to mention that Notch has said that if the torch change ends up not being fun or adding to the game in the way he intends, he'll change it. So I don't think it's too much to worry about at the moment. Just have to see how it works once it goes live.

 

[ZZMitch]

Thanks. Sorry for the stupid questions, I haven't been keeping up and my game is on hold until after the update.

Its fine

And yeah, I'm on minecraft hiatus until the update except I am going to start a whole new world when it hits.

 

[Elcheris]

No idea if this has been posted yet

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/22/minecraft-halloween-update-preview-meet-the-ghasts/

some interesting info in here, that is if the page isn't crashing while you try and load!

 

[Pinko Marx]

Its fine

And yeah, I'm on minecraft hiatus until the update except I am going to start a whole new world when it hits.

Same here, cept I have a world generated and ready for me. I was gunna play on it until the update was announced. I am excite cause the terrain is some of the most awesome I've seen yet.

 

[Stitch]

oh crap, i thought my mine was safe but i just found a skeleton and i can hear a spider somewhere FUUUUUUU

scary game is scary

 

[BobsRevenge]

Its fine

And yeah, I'm on minecraft hiatus until the update except I am going to start a whole new world when it hits.

If the torches are turning into lanterns then wouldn't you want to kick your minecraft ass into overdrive to get in as many as you can before you have to go to hell for it? :lol :lol

 

[HolyCheck]

Friend and I are working on a stargate, proportions are off and everything atm.. and you can't use red dust on multiplayer.. but when you can it'll be all ready to go! (well thats the plan)

 

[nataku]

No idea if this has been posted yet

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/22/minecraft-halloween-update-preview-meet-the-ghasts/

some interesting info in here, that is if the page isn't crashing while you try and load!

Yeah, I definitely need to get back into this. It sounds awesome. :lol

 

[Tobor]

If the torches are turning into lanterns then wouldn't you want to kick your minecraft ass into overdrive to get in as many as you can before you have to go to hell for it? :lol :lol

True, but I needed a break anyway.

 

[Metalic Sand]

No idea if this has been posted yet

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/22/minecraft-halloween-update-preview-meet-the-ghasts/

some interesting info in here, that is if the page isn't crashing while you try and load!

Obsidian doorway then lighting fire to the frame to make the portal? Fuck thats awesome.

 

[Jasoco]

Thanks! Some more pictures:

The "core" of my castle: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../mn4OrW3hziY/javaw 2010-10-20 13-56-14-60.png

On the castle: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../ajkkmFxyQIM/javaw 2010-10-20 13-57-01-17.png

Eternal fire and water on my castle: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../Iy0jMnoGKUQ/javaw 2010-10-20 13-57-20-75.png

Standing on the highest point of my castle: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../SYCi5sEbB1w/javaw 2010-10-20 13-57-44-77.png

Greenhouse: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../eF7sonSUAdg/javaw 2010-10-20 13-59-07-02.png

"Beach tower": http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../D084dkHMMSQ/javaw 2010-10-20 14-04-44-34.png

Bridge from "beach tower" to my castle: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../wY7_iX5PDA8/javaw 2010-10-20 14-05-01-83.png

Bridge and castle at night: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../1-UzXDaJ-7k/javaw 2010-10-21 19-28-53-84.png

Current "main entrance" project: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../PA44OConCwc/javaw 2010-10-22 10-14-12-61.png

Tunnel to my spawning point: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../-CSEMtPeVVk/javaw 2010-10-22 10-16-09-24.png

"Main entrance" project: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_CPG6Ox832xY/T.../YpP7IE2kSxA/javaw 2010-10-22 10-25-04-10.png

I know, my castle isn't very impressive. However, there was never a rebuild or something like that. This was my base from the beginning and it's getting bigger and bigger.

I am so impressed and inspired. I can't wait to get the update and start a new world. Hopefully I'll find a high cliff. I have always wanted to build a huge bridge. Like something out of SOTC and ICO.

If you set a fire, does it burn indefinitely? What do you set on fire? Wood?