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ChoklitReign
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http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=86552
I'm using this guide to install a mod pack and I've hit a block early on. I put the files in the right place but I get a blank screen after logging in. I'm pretty sure it's because I deleted the MOJANG files even though that is supposed to make mods work. How do I get past this?
I'm using this guide to install a mod pack and I've hit a block early on. I put the files in the right place but I get a blank screen after logging in. I'm pretty sure it's because I deleted the MOJANG files even though that is supposed to make mods work. How do I get past this?
thespot84 said:
I was thinking the same thing. Also, it looked like his TNT ball was in the middle of the water, and I've never been able to get TNT to have an effect underwater.
Not only that, but it looked like he was detonating the TNT ball starting at the bottom, and wouldn't the cascading explosions have blown all the rest of the TNT upwards? I mean, it was neat having all that TNT reaching to the sky, but the blast radius on TNT is so small that all the TNT on the top would theoretically have had no effect.
I think I'll go into Mythbusters mode and see if I can replicate this...
Ok, so the TNT test is underway. I used MCEdit to edit a new world and added this in:
That monster reaches well over the clouds, most likely to the build ceiling. The youtube video didn't give an exact diameter of the TNT ball, so I just made it as big as possible while still fitting between sea level and the build ceiling.
I did deviate from the video a little bit by using redstone wiring to detonate the ball instead of a string of TNT, but that shouldn't change the outcome.
I flipped the switch about 15 minutes ago and Minecraft immediately froze and shot up to over 1.5GB RAM usage. My computer's running at a crawl, but the ball should be detonating as I type. I'll report back when I've got a result.....
That monster reaches well over the clouds, most likely to the build ceiling. The youtube video didn't give an exact diameter of the TNT ball, so I just made it as big as possible while still fitting between sea level and the build ceiling.
I did deviate from the video a little bit by using redstone wiring to detonate the ball instead of a string of TNT, but that shouldn't change the outcome.
I flipped the switch about 15 minutes ago and Minecraft immediately froze and shot up to over 1.5GB RAM usage. My computer's running at a crawl, but the ball should be detonating as I type. I'll report back when I've got a result.....
In the video he said he had to switch to TNT. You might have to too. Not sure why he did though. I look forward to your report. You should record it.Vlad said:Ok, so the TNT test is underway. I used MCEdit to edit a new world and added this in:
That monster reaches well over the clouds, most likely to the build ceiling. The youtube video didn't give an exact diameter of the TNT ball, so I just made it as big as possible while still fitting between sea level and the build ceiling.
I did deviate from the video a little bit by using redstone wiring to detonate the ball instead of a string of TNT, but that shouldn't change the outcome.
Jasoco said:
I know exactly why he switched to TNT. I realized it as soon as I saw that huge line of redstone that stretched from the ball to the pressure plate...
Redstone currents can only carry for 15 blocks before stopping. His line of redstone was WAY longer than that, so the current wouldn't have been able to make it anywhere near the TNT. You can use redstone torches as repeaters to carry the signal much further, though. I believe the only limitation is that the redstone signal won't carry to a chunk that isn't loaded due to distance from the player.
As far as the current status of the experiment:
After maybe 15 minutes of ram-hogging nothing, Minecraft crashed with a black screen. The video mentioned that he had to restart the game, and I've read similar reports from excessively large TNT explosions in the past, so that was expected. However, when I try and restart the map, it still freezes and I hear explosion sounds for about a minute before the game crashes with the error message to report to Mojang.
Now, I'm hoping that the game is managing to further calculate the explosion between each crash, but it's crashing pretty fast, so it might not be able to save the new data before each crash.
I'm going to try and do it again on a new map with a slightly smaller TNT ball, so we'll see what happens. There's also the possibility that my computer, which is coming up on three years old at this point, might not be powerful enough to handle it...
As far as recording it, there's really nothing to see. That much TNT does a number on the game, as it can't process the exponentially increasing number of explosions and basically freezes until it can figure out what the hell's going on.
Well, this is anticlimactic.
Tried it again three more times, with slightly smaller (60 and 55 diameter) TNT spheres, and the same result every time. Game crashes, and every time I try to load it back up, it just crashes again.
After loading the maps up in MCEdit, I see the problem... the game isn't getting a chance to save once the explosion starts, so when I'm using redstone to ignite it, the maps are stuck right at the point of the initial detonation, so no progress is being saved.
Out of frustration, I tried creating another sphere on a new map and just punching the damn thing. Once again, a quick death followed by freezing, followed by crashing. Reloading the map put me before the punch so there's nothing more I can do. I tried lowering the view distance and visual quality, but no dice.
Anybody out there with a super-powerful computer want to see if they have better luck?
Tried it again three more times, with slightly smaller (60 and 55 diameter) TNT spheres, and the same result every time. Game crashes, and every time I try to load it back up, it just crashes again.
After loading the maps up in MCEdit, I see the problem... the game isn't getting a chance to save once the explosion starts, so when I'm using redstone to ignite it, the maps are stuck right at the point of the initial detonation, so no progress is being saved.
Out of frustration, I tried creating another sphere on a new map and just punching the damn thing. Once again, a quick death followed by freezing, followed by crashing. Reloading the map put me before the punch so there's nothing more I can do. I tried lowering the view distance and visual quality, but no dice.
Anybody out there with a super-powerful computer want to see if they have better luck?
Something else I just noticed.
If you look at the guy's other videos, he posted a previous, similar video of another, supposedly smaller, ball of TNT. His experience looks a lot like mine: explosions start followed by an almost immediate freeze. He lasts a little longer before the freeze than I do, but he claims that the game crashed on him.
However, there's one important thing about the first video: he never shows the resulting damage done by the TNT ball! It really doesn't make any sense to NOT show it, as even if it didn't look like the second video's crater, it would have been fairly large. This makes me think that he might have had the same problem as me... the game can't make it through the explosion far enough to save.
If you look at the guy's other videos, he posted a previous, similar video of another, supposedly smaller, ball of TNT. His experience looks a lot like mine: explosions start followed by an almost immediate freeze. He lasts a little longer before the freeze than I do, but he claims that the game crashed on him.
However, there's one important thing about the first video: he never shows the resulting damage done by the TNT ball! It really doesn't make any sense to NOT show it, as even if it didn't look like the second video's crater, it would have been fairly large. This makes me think that he might have had the same problem as me... the game can't make it through the explosion far enough to save.
I have 8GB at home. I'd be happy to give it a try. Can you put the map ready to explode somewhere?Vlad said:
Edit: or I could learn to drive MCEdit myself, which I think I will do.
Edit 2: well, that was easy. So, trying a reasonably-sized ball (20 wide) the game is still running on my 4G laptop. Just passed the 1G resident size mark, and climbing
Well, a 20-block-wide sphere crashed Minecraft. It was able to do 15.
I'm on windows and not sure how to tell Minecraft to use more memory - google has failed me.
Edit: I figured it out, and found that I can't extend the memory available to Java beyond 1GB. So I'm definitely calling bullshit on that video at this point
I'm on windows and not sure how to tell Minecraft to use more memory - google has failed me.
Edit: I figured it out, and found that I can't extend the memory available to Java beyond 1GB. So I'm definitely calling bullshit on that video at this point
Here's a suggestion for the guys trying the TNT ball.
When I was blowing up the cave for the dwarf city in the last neogafland server, I took advantage of a quirk in how tnt explosions work in multiplayer. As you may know, in multiplayer, the only person that actually sees the TNT explosion is the person who sets off the TNT. Well, it also turns out that by not seeing the actual explosion, significantly less memory is used.
So what I did was, I would set my TNT fuse on fire with flint and steel to set it off, and the game would not recognize that I set off the TNT explosion. This way, I could set off HUGE walls and stacks of TNT without having to deal with the memory and crashing issues that would normally accompany it.
So instead of trying to do these TNT balls in singleplayer, make them in a multiplayer server and use fire to set the TNT off. You'll probably have much better luck.
When I was blowing up the cave for the dwarf city in the last neogafland server, I took advantage of a quirk in how tnt explosions work in multiplayer. As you may know, in multiplayer, the only person that actually sees the TNT explosion is the person who sets off the TNT. Well, it also turns out that by not seeing the actual explosion, significantly less memory is used.
So what I did was, I would set my TNT fuse on fire with flint and steel to set it off, and the game would not recognize that I set off the TNT explosion. This way, I could set off HUGE walls and stacks of TNT without having to deal with the memory and crashing issues that would normally accompany it.
So instead of trying to do these TNT balls in singleplayer, make them in a multiplayer server and use fire to set the TNT off. You'll probably have much better luck.
ZealousD said:
Hmmmm... that's a good point. Now I'll have to look up how to set up a server and all that.
Also, anybody know what the song is that he used in the video?
Looking at the video again, that very well might be what he did. If you look at the initial TNT explosions (the ones he used for the fuse), you don't see them explode, just fly around and disappear.
You have the best skin ever.Vlad said:Ok, so the TNT test is underway. I used MCEdit to edit a new world and added this in:
That monster reaches well over the clouds, most likely to the build ceiling. The youtube video didn't give an exact diameter of the TNT ball, so I just made it as big as possible while still fitting between sea level and the build ceiling.
I did deviate from the video a little bit by using redstone wiring to detonate the ball instead of a string of TNT, but that shouldn't change the outcome.
I flipped the switch about 15 minutes ago and Minecraft immediately froze and shot up to over 1.5GB RAM usage. My computer's running at a crawl, but the ball should be detonating as I type. I'll report back when I've got a result.....
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Can I petition to turn off health until the lag is not so awful? I was trying to build scaffolding around my planned build up on a mountain, placed two blocks walked out onto them and they disappear and I fall to my death and lose the material I worked on collecting for an hour. That happened TWICE and it's infuriating. >:[
ChoklitReign
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I am proud to present my biggest project to date. I've been working on it since before noon.
Built out of a natural hollowed out mountain. About half of it is manmade.
The bottom floor
The second floor
The grand staircase
Panoramic view to the east (with safety blocks)
Top of the grand staircase (with Nether portal at the top)
LAVAFALL MOTHERFUCKERS
Top flow of the lavafall
What an amazing game
Built out of a natural hollowed out mountain. About half of it is manmade.
The bottom floor
The second floor
The grand staircase
Panoramic view to the east (with safety blocks)
Top of the grand staircase (with Nether portal at the top)
LAVAFALL MOTHERFUCKERS
Top flow of the lavafall
What an amazing game
HappyBivouac
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Methinks we need to get people back into multiplayer again. It's been cool so far with the new server, and this is actually the first GAF server I've played on, but I get the feeling it was far more active a couple months ago.
Ok, an update on the TNT-ball experiment:
After setting up a local server and joining it, I once again used MCEdit to create another massive ball of TNT floating over a body of water. I lit a long fuse of leaves leading to the bottom of the ball, and soon after the fire reached it, the server booted me out. However, the server did keep running and the RAM usage shot to almost 1GB. This continued for a few minutes, but then the server automatically stopped.
However, unlike with my single-player attempts, when the server stopped, it saved the state of the world, so to test things, I would run the server until it gave up and crashed on me, and run it over and over. I've been doing that for a while now, and after loading up the map again in MCEdit, here's what I see:
Now keep in mind that the explosion is still going on. Whenever I run the server, it immediately jumps to 1GB of memory usage and stays there until it crashes. When it's idle normally, it only used about 30-40MB of memory. I also am completely unable to join it while it's running.
Still, This is fairly telling. As I suspected earlier, lighting the bottom of the sphere results in the activated TNTs falling down immediately and either blowing up harmlessly in the water or not blowing up that many of the upper ones. Eventually, though, the chain reaction must have caught on and started blowing up all the other TNTs and throwing them about nicely, as over half the sphere is gone. There's a good amount of damage done to the ground under the sphere, but nothing like what's in the video.
I'm going to keep plugging away at running the server to try and get the whole thing exploded so I can take some pictures of what the final crater looks like. From the looks of things, it's certainly going to be a wide crater, but it won't be all nice and pretty like the video's. It also won't be all that deep.
After setting up a local server and joining it, I once again used MCEdit to create another massive ball of TNT floating over a body of water. I lit a long fuse of leaves leading to the bottom of the ball, and soon after the fire reached it, the server booted me out. However, the server did keep running and the RAM usage shot to almost 1GB. This continued for a few minutes, but then the server automatically stopped.
However, unlike with my single-player attempts, when the server stopped, it saved the state of the world, so to test things, I would run the server until it gave up and crashed on me, and run it over and over. I've been doing that for a while now, and after loading up the map again in MCEdit, here's what I see:
Now keep in mind that the explosion is still going on. Whenever I run the server, it immediately jumps to 1GB of memory usage and stays there until it crashes. When it's idle normally, it only used about 30-40MB of memory. I also am completely unable to join it while it's running.
Still, This is fairly telling. As I suspected earlier, lighting the bottom of the sphere results in the activated TNTs falling down immediately and either blowing up harmlessly in the water or not blowing up that many of the upper ones. Eventually, though, the chain reaction must have caught on and started blowing up all the other TNTs and throwing them about nicely, as over half the sphere is gone. There's a good amount of damage done to the ground under the sphere, but nothing like what's in the video.
I'm going to keep plugging away at running the server to try and get the whole thing exploded so I can take some pictures of what the final crater looks like. From the looks of things, it's certainly going to be a wide crater, but it won't be all nice and pretty like the video's. It also won't be all that deep.
Seems pretty obvious the video was bunk, then.
But at this point, I would sort like to see what kind of damage that kind of TNT might actually do. The obvious solution is to light the TNT at the top of the ball. You'll get a lot less wasted TNT that way.
But at this point, I would sort like to see what kind of damage that kind of TNT might actually do. The obvious solution is to light the TNT at the top of the ball. You'll get a lot less wasted TNT that way.
The Minecraft site just updated with a slick new layout and a pretty neat user-created video to replace the old roller coaster one. Sadly this means the line "Minecraft is a game about placing blocks and running from skeletons. Or something like that." is now gone.
Fun fact: Minecraft's total gross revenue to date is over $10,000,000. Not bad for a little Java project from some guy in Sweden.
Fun fact: Minecraft's total gross revenue to date is over $10,000,000. Not bad for a little Java project from some guy in Sweden.
ZealousD said:
JoseJX said:I wonder if the ice in the video made a difference too? I don't know if TNT behaves differently on ice compared to regular water. Might be something else to try if you're still interested.
Yeah, I had been thinking about it and there's a couple more scenarios I want to try:
- First I want to do a sort of combination of the two ideas above... I'm going to find myself a snow biome and make the TNT ball over ice, but also light it from the top.
- Second, I going to attempt to do the absolute most damage with a ball of TNT that size. So instead of having the thing above ground, I'm going to put it underground, with only the top layer exposed.
There's one thing I need to figure out to make the whole process automated, though... I want to see if there's any way to have the server auto-run again once it auto-stops/crashes/whatever. Right now I have to manually restart it, and it since it only runs for a couple minutes at times before stopping and it requires a LOT of restarts, it's a really time-consuming and tedious process.
EDIT: Ok, found a batch file on the Minecraft forums that seems to be doing the trick of auto-restarting the server. I'll let it run and finish this experiment, then I'll proceed with the "lighting it from the top over ice" test.
ChoklitReign
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I've been having issues with my mouse. Every few minutes, very frequently, my mouse becomes extremely senstitive and spasms at the slightest jerk. I'm using a Razer Deathadder. Is it a driver issue? I don't want to change my mouse.
HappyBivouac
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Jasoco said:
The game is sorely lacking for goals right now aside from "I want to build x" and you want to make currently existing goals easier?
sorry guys I know this discussion has come up ten million times I just can't help myself
jman2050 said:
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure some lava rock is not going to be as strong as a big hunk of diamond.
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