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Minecraft |OT2| Punch Your Way to Your Own World
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Whenever I start feeling a bit of pride in my own creations, something like this comes along and destroys it:
BladeCraft - Blade Runner city and texture pack for MC
BladeCraft - Blade Runner city and texture pack for MC
Houston3000
Member
Wow, that's amazingDrazgul said:
Orbis Tabula
Member
I feel like the Endermen nerf and now the lava nerf are both symptoms of the same problem: Although responding to fans while developing a game is good, it is not always the best path. For example, just because people thought Endermen were too powerful, it didn't mean they should be nerfed. Instead, buff the player! Then the player will feel like a badass once they figure out how to beat them. An anti-ender ward is a great example of this. Or lava proof armor.
To elaborate: Everyone wants The Nether to be hard. That's the whole point! A super challenge! Nerfing lava because it's too hard will lead to the same problem as before. "Nothing to do in this game. Nothing to strive for." Instead, make it so lava is an obstacle that we can eventually overcome. With lava-proof armor, made of ghast skin, the Nether would be so much more fun.
Right now, the Nether works like this: Go there. Be careful, and you can do whatever the hell you want.
If you changed it and added some challenges, it could be different!
New way: Go to the Nether. Because lava and fire are so dangerous, you must lay low, stick to small caves to avoid Ghasts and Blazes. Over time, slowly, kill Ghasts. Then you can harvest their skin for Ghast armor. Now those ruins that used to be too treacherous to survive on due to Blaze? You can go there! Their fire attacks do less damage now! You'll feel like some monster slaying badass who earned the right to explore Nether Ruins by slaying Ghasts. Then, why not make those Blaze Rods help you in some other way that makes the Nether even more fun.
The game needs more challenges like this, but Notch's extraordinary ability at listening and implementing fan requests could be come a liability if the solution to "This is too hard!" is to make the game easy.
To elaborate: Everyone wants The Nether to be hard. That's the whole point! A super challenge! Nerfing lava because it's too hard will lead to the same problem as before. "Nothing to do in this game. Nothing to strive for." Instead, make it so lava is an obstacle that we can eventually overcome. With lava-proof armor, made of ghast skin, the Nether would be so much more fun.
Right now, the Nether works like this: Go there. Be careful, and you can do whatever the hell you want.
If you changed it and added some challenges, it could be different!
New way: Go to the Nether. Because lava and fire are so dangerous, you must lay low, stick to small caves to avoid Ghasts and Blazes. Over time, slowly, kill Ghasts. Then you can harvest their skin for Ghast armor. Now those ruins that used to be too treacherous to survive on due to Blaze? You can go there! Their fire attacks do less damage now! You'll feel like some monster slaying badass who earned the right to explore Nether Ruins by slaying Ghasts. Then, why not make those Blaze Rods help you in some other way that makes the Nether even more fun.
The game needs more challenges like this, but Notch's extraordinary ability at listening and implementing fan requests could be come a liability if the solution to "This is too hard!" is to make the game easy.
bengraven
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Found this on Reddit:
Also, Joe, I'm a bit worried Notch is letting the players dictate what goes in too much at this point. This is what happened with WoW and it got to the point where Blizzard spent more time asking "is this okay?" than saying "this is going to change, deal with it".
Also, Joe, I'm a bit worried Notch is letting the players dictate what goes in too much at this point. This is what happened with WoW and it got to the point where Blizzard spent more time asking "is this okay?" than saying "this is going to change, deal with it".
British Monsoon
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YES! I'm all for stone walls, and anything that overall improves the decorative nature of the game - sloped blocks would be amazing too.
bengraven said:Found this on Reddit:
Also, Joe, I'm a bit worried Notch is letting the players dictate what goes in too much at this point. This is what happened with WoW and it got to the point where Blizzard spent more time asking "is this okay?" than saying "this is going to change, deal with it".
News to me.
Love the stone walls idea. For a game like Minecraft, limitless community feedback & ideas is always a good thing.
Barberetti
Member
These mine shafts are awesome. I've almost shit my pants 3 times in the last hour.
Is it sad that the mine shafts are better than anything I've built? I've actually taken to restoring the shafts to what would've been their former glory... not an easy task, but very fun! I've also took over an entire village. Built a wall around it and absorbed it into my own castle. I've also done a lot of restructuring of the village. Moved entire buildings...wwm0nkey said:
bengraven
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Aguirre said:
I did the same thing. I built a wall around it, then a huge ruin near it, then a railroad station on the other side, facing my huge barely touched ravine/mineshaft system.
I was still working on thinking of what to build for my own house when 1.9 came out.
Ark said:
I agree, but there comes a point when developers need to be like "this will make the game better, try it for a while before you judge" and see if it grows on people.
Except the jumping thing, that was just ridiculous.
Orbis Tabula
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bengraven said:
Yeah, exactly. Feedback from the community, just like anything else, needs to be in moderation.
Thank you! I said this earlier and got shit for it.bengraven said:Found this on Reddit:
Also, Joe, I'm a bit worried Notch is letting the players dictate what goes in too much at this point. This is what happened with WoW and it got to the point where Blizzard spent more time asking "is this okay?" than saying "this is going to change, deal with it".
Togglesworlh
Banned
That's not what you said at all, but okay.rezuth said:
SummerFields Pack has got to be one of the most gorgeous texture packs I've found. Check out the screens in the first post of the thread.
Alright, this is what I meant by saying he should grow a pair and stop letting people boss him around. Just make a choice and stick with it. People will always bitch about certain things but the most important thing is that he believes in it and stops questioning himself all the time.Togglesworlh said:
Happy?
Togglesworlh
Banned
What you said was, in effect, "Stop being a bitch, Notch! Learn how to fuckign design a game." What you should have said was, in effect, "Man, Notch, you really need to stop caving to every complaint thrown at you. It is bringing the game down."rezuth said:
You also didn't mention other people at all. You only said "grow some balls."
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All I'm saying is that if you had phrased it in a way that wasn't so hostile, you would have had a lot more people agreeing with you, as can be seen throughout the last couple of pages where half the posts are expressing similar opinions. Me included. There are too many babies playing Minecraft who refuse to play in Creative mode or turn down the difficulty, and they're ruining it for the people who want a challenge.
That said, my original response to you still stands. Sometimes he sees things that don't work out the way he planned, and in those cases, it's all right if he changes his mind. Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to tell which situation is actually happening.
I completely agree. This isn't a PvP game (yet?) where things need to be nerfed. This is a PvE game. Instead of nerfing the environment, implement ways for the player to buff themselves, so they grow and feel more badass the longer they play.EskimoJoe said:
The experience system is, obviously, working toward that end, but there's so much more potential. See: Terraria.
Of course, the irony is, in asking him to ignore players, we're asking him to pay attention to us. And we're players. :trollface:
bengraven
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Anyway, has anyone noticed that villages are more rare now?
I've been spawning new worlds for the last day, hoping to find a seed similar to the one that's "corrupted", but I've only found one with a really bad, small village in the center of a savannah.
Also, are we going to get biome specific villages? Maybe like all-wood houses in forests, sandstone buildings in deserts, bayou style fishing villages in swamps and cobble castles in mountains? That would be awesome.
I've been spawning new worlds for the last day, hoping to find a seed similar to the one that's "corrupted", but I've only found one with a really bad, small village in the center of a savannah.
Also, are we going to get biome specific villages? Maybe like all-wood houses in forests, sandstone buildings in deserts, bayou style fishing villages in swamps and cobble castles in mountains? That would be awesome.
I love the additions of ruins, I have to admit I made my own ruins in my old world. Any structure or house that I would abandon, I would set fire to or partially destroy.. made the world seem like it had history.
A cool way to do this would be to have severe weather (storms, hurricane's, tornado's, flooding) that (similar to Sim City 2000) would affect the terrain and the blocks. Damn this game has so much potential..
I personally wouldn't mind having to 'upkeep' my buildings. People didn't seem to mind raking leaves in Animal Crossing, so it might be popular.
A cool way to do this would be to have severe weather (storms, hurricane's, tornado's, flooding) that (similar to Sim City 2000) would affect the terrain and the blocks. Damn this game has so much potential..
I personally wouldn't mind having to 'upkeep' my buildings. People didn't seem to mind raking leaves in Animal Crossing, so it might be popular.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhksNvUwaRc
Fun fact: this project is so big, they've reached the end of the map (they are recreating Middle Earth on a 1:3 scale I believe), and have asked Mojang about the possibility of adding more room, because they're not done.
Wait til you see Moria.
Fun fact: this project is so big, they've reached the end of the map (they are recreating Middle Earth on a 1:3 scale I believe), and have asked Mojang about the possibility of adding more room, because they're not done.
Wait til you see Moria.
Togglesworlh said:
Agreed, and I especially like the Equivalent Exchange mod for this. Take lava for example; you can craft a Volcanite Amulet to become immune to lava (you can even walk on it) but to make it you need 3 Dark Matter. And to craft one Dark Matter you need 36 diamonds among other things (the mod includes some additional means of gaining diamonds than just mining).
So it's not exactly easy to craft these items, but once you do, you get that sense of accomplishment along with a truly powerful new item. Something that's quickly missing from vanilla Minecraft after you get that diamond pickaxe.
Togglesworlh
Banned
That is something I've wanted for ages, but Notch doesn't like the idea of letting your structures be destroyed by things out of your control, I guess.Kuran said:
Barberetti
Member
Kuran said:
Just do what I'm doing. Dive into any old world and explore the hell out of it and check out the new changes, and don't bother getting into any serious building. At the moment, any ideas I have for structures I crank out quickly in Creative just to see if it'll work out the way I have it in my mind. The ones that are cool I'm saving, and I'll build them properly in Survival when version 1.10 hits.
Until then, it's just me, a few pickaxes, sword, bow & arrows, armour, and some food. Just the bare essentials, and scavenge everything you need on the fly while you explore the new stuff, ie chasms, mineshafts, strongholds etc.
Succubus Slayer
Banned
Love those games
fredrancour
Member
I feel like the middle earth server's out of room claim is bs. The minecraft wiki link that was just posted says it takes over 800 hours to hit the edge of the map from the origin. They aren't out of space if they're really only at 12 hours.
I want this. It would look so amazing. And let us use other stone types too. Like bricks and netherrack/bricks. And sandstone.bengraven said:Found this on Reddit:
This would also make sense. And please for the love of God fix how the paths generate. The path should be laid out into the ground carving it out. And houses placed along the path at the height of the adjacent path so we don't end up with useless houses with doors in the air or under the ground and paths broken up worse than an earthquake.bengraven said: