Miyazaki says Elden Ring’s graphics team felt ‘extra pressure’ due to Demon’s Souls PS5
RoadHazard
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I personally believe that's an excuse for them just not being all that capable in the graphics tech department. BB looks better (relatively speaking) than the Souls games because they had assistance from Sony.
Mister Wolf
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They need a new game engine.
Werewolfgrandma
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Both games look pretty great to me.
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
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Inevitably a game designed for PS5 would look better than one designed for cross-gen, but you could use a more flattering screenshot for Elden Ring
Connificent
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rubik's dude
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I wouldn't say always. Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1 looked better than what the consoles they were on could properly show with the resolutions they ran at (PS3/360).
Back when Dark Souls 1 came out on PC, and the game could be ran at a higher resolution, people were noticing how detailed the graphics actually were. It was a beautifuly detailed game, but we couldn't appreciate it as much when it first came out on consoles, because the resolution was just so low.
Of course, the PC port itself wasn't very good, what with the limited graphics options and 30 FPS cap. But From really did push the boundaries of those consoles at the time.
SlimeGooGoo
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Don't take it literally, the point is to focus on adding high-quality assets and make it a priority at the expense of gameplay and performance.
Also, Fromsoftware aren't bad at graphics, they just don't care about it, they focus on what makes their games fun to play.
I'm not saying they should give up! I just say focusing on graphics doesn't make the game fun.
They didn't put a single finger on game development. lol
All they did was to put two of their employees at Fromsoftware office to report on the game development progress, and take some photo with Mayazaki. That's it!
Many people may not know this! but Sony didn't really like Fromsoftware's work! I mean.. the relationship between them is not what many think it is.
This is not true, and Miyazaki himself denied it. All employees work on all games as needed, There are no teams.
What happened in Bloodborne is that Mayazaki himself refused to work on the Dark Souls sequel because it wouldn't make sense for him, but Bandai Namco wanted it, so he took some of the key devs and had them work only on Bloodborne in order to get the game done before Sony's deadline.
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kyliethicc
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Well when Housemarque got asked why Returnal had some frame issues, they said it had to do with UE4 engine issues that they (Housemarque) couldn't fix. So sometimes it can just be the engine's fault.
Not saying you're wrong about what you were talking about tho.
DeepEnigma
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I was under the impression that was fixed for UE5 with how it streams data. Hence to move away from 4 now.
SlimySnake
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The graphics team had a covid breakout.
FrankWza
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I think we may be seeing him throw them a little plug because something is coming from them that is a From IP and he's setting up the fans with this blessing.
Tschumi
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The actual situation:
From have to work hard on their engine to upgrade it for every new release. According to the interview in the OP. So it's not quite "the ground up"
Bluepoint did a great job that included a lot of improvisation and design that Miyazaki seems to reference in his interview. The noclip documentary on it is interesting.
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I remember one of them wishing that they made Ghost of Tsushima.
coffinbirth
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Elden Ring looks fucking amazing, I don't give two shits what anyone says.
kyliethicc
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Yeah I have no idea
tommib
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I also think that Demon's Souls (2009) at the time looked much better then Dark Souls. I remember feeling that Dark Souls was absolutely a step backwards in terms of graphical technology and I'm sure it's related to the lack of Sony assistance.
Dark Souls 3 can't stand up to Bloodborne's technical qualities. However, Sekiro was impressive when it came out - so they do have it in them.
Hopefully they're helping Bluepoint with Demon's Souls 2.
remember_spinal
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I'm glad we live in a time where we don't really have to choose
Skifi28
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Shockingly, they all feature graphics
Danjin44
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How they made the "formula" better exactly? They just made the graphic they didn't design shit.
remember_spinal
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DeepEnigma
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It's an odd subculture not unlike the Wii years of "gameplay > graphics" mantra.
We can have BOTH, waggle waggle waggle.
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Danjin44
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Creating variety enemy/boss designs and with higher asset is expensive and takes lot of time to be made, why do think God of War(2018) had very, VERY low enemy/boss variety compare to pervious games?
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Lokaum D+
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following ur logic BOTW should have at least 5x more enemie/boss variety since is a game that "aim" for low assets, but BOTW has 89 types of enemies ( counting bosses and recolor ) and GoW 2018 has 64 ( bosses and recolor ), in comparisson GoW2 has 62.
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Danjin44
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BOTW "low assets" is much more to do with Switch's power more than anything else, GOW in other hand had power and big budget to match, whats their excuse?
What I like about FROM games is it has so many type of enemy/boss types in their games, Bloodborne alone had entirely optional areas like Cainhurst Castle which it had its own set of enemies and boss fights.
The Cockatrice
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I dont think anyone expects Demons Souls or any PS5 exclusive levels of graphics from a cross-gen title especially from a team that still can't manage to make a game on PC with higher than 60 fps. Their devs are good at making the world, the details in the world, the gameplay but on a technical level they are shit. Imagine rlsing Sekiro or DS3 or the DS remake locked to 60 fps on PC when you could easily run them at twice. Look at Bloodborne, no wonder we still have not received a PC or proper PS5 release, it's prolly a mess to port but I dont think there is a japanese dev thats good at porting. Most jrpgs on PC run like shit or just have horrible pop'in, framelocks, etc.
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Gameplaylover
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This. The DS 2020 graphics are excellent, no question. But i think that some enemies like the Mind Flayer or Maneater look
more creepy in the 2009 game.
tommib
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Not to speak of the nightmarish man centipedes on 3-2.
2009:
Remake:
The original models are so much more creepy and evil looking.
Gameplaylover
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Lol, thanks. Wanted to mention this too, but i couldn't remember the name and didn't want to write "the creature from The Thing".Not to speak of the nightmarish man centipedes on 3-2.
2009:
Remake:
The original models are so much more creepy and evil looking.
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SkylineRKR
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From graphics have never been the worst of the pack, its their performance. DeS and DS1 were good looking PS3 games, they simply ran terrible. BB was a great looking PS4 game, ran terrible.
Elden Ring seems to run good and doesn't look that bad for a game with such a scale. Even if it wasn't crossgen, you wouldn't get Horizon or TLOU graphics, or BP remake graphics, lol. Its still FROM software.
Elden Ring seems to run good and doesn't look that bad for a game with such a scale. Even if it wasn't crossgen, you wouldn't get Horizon or TLOU graphics, or BP remake graphics, lol. Its still FROM software.
Fools idol
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not for one second playing a Fromsoft game did I think 'wow I wish these graphics were better'.
Yoboman
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Thats not how development works. They aren't going to reboot everything to catch up to Demons Souls
They may really push things for their next game