Miyazaki says Elden Ring’s graphics team felt ‘extra pressure’ due to Demon’s Souls PS5
NikuNashi
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This still doesn't excuse shit graphics on new games. You can have both great gameplay and great graphics, why do you guys think it's one or the other.
tommib
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Sekiro and Bloodborne have exceptional graphics and animations.
NikuNashi
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Bloodborne is a slide show that gave me a headache I couldn't shake for a day. It's literally 24fps. Turn the camera and your stomach turns.
tommib
Banned
That's performance not graphics. It runs at 30 fps with framepacing issues. Not 24fps. Such hyperbole.
Looking at this video and I wish other action games looked as good as Sekiro and Bloodborne:
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NikuNashi
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Do you actually own a PS5? I assume so as we have argued before about the elderly grandmother from Returnal. How can you say after playing DS remake at a rock steady 60fps with beautifully detailed high res models and anims that Bloodbourne is graphically good?. It may be 30fps with no enemies on screen when you are doing nothing, but is soon drops when gameplay starts.
Performance and Visuals are two sides of the same coin, hence why most new games have a performance/ fidelity graphics mode that balances both based on the players graphical choice. They cannot be separated.
Ass of Can Whooping
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I hope their optimization team felt even more pressure
The shit graphics aren't even from's biggest offense. It's the shit graphics paired with the shit performance
The shit graphics aren't even from's biggest offense. It's the shit graphics paired with the shit performance
MiguelItUp
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I believe it 100%. I still think Demon's Souls PS5 is one of the best looking games I've ever seen. Just seeing and hearing everything come together in the game is absolutely bonkers.
Fortunately I feel like FROM is improving in the optimization and performance section with each release. Which I've felt like is their largest crutch. The graphical improvements with each game felt substantial enough IMO.
Fortunately I feel like FROM is improving in the optimization and performance section with each release. Which I've felt like is their largest crutch. The graphical improvements with each game felt substantial enough IMO.
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ToTTenTranz
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As a certified graphics whore myself, I'm glad that Demon Souls Remake pressured FromSoft to improve the graphics on Elden Ring.
Many Japanese devs (almost all except Square Enix?) do tend to get behind in graphical fidelity a bit too much IMO.
Many Japanese devs (almost all except Square Enix?) do tend to get behind in graphical fidelity a bit too much IMO.
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tommib
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Why? Because I can contextualise historically game releases. Bloodborne was a graphical benchmark when it was released.
Classy hit on Returnal's character by the way. Again, I hope your mother doesn't read your messages.
Also love the "Do you actually own"? Classy, mate. Lovely, stuff.
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mcjmetroid
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It's very tiring watching people on this forum continue to be wrong about how a game is going to turn out.
Wrong about halo infinite
Wrong about metroid dread
Wrong about Elden ring
You just never know what game to pick on...
What about FROM Software's past makes you believe this game isn't going to look and play amazingly?
Wrong about halo infinite
Wrong about metroid dread
Wrong about Elden ring
You just never know what game to pick on...
What about FROM Software's past makes you believe this game isn't going to look and play amazingly?
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GymWolf
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Between returnal and bloodborne you have really strange graphical taste my dude.
Bloodborne was at best a benchmark in art design, never in graphic, killzone4 and inf3, 2 launch titles both looks a gen over bloodborne, not to talk about the shitty performances, the aliasing and the CA.
rofif
Banned
You fucking what ?! That's such an overblown statement
Bloodborne is the least laggy 30fps game I've played.
It looks great at that too and even the motion blur is well tuned.
I never noticed much stuttering/frame pacing issues. I know it exists but it's way overblown.
tommib
Banned
Nice. It's not just me but all the internet tech geeks that people here use as priests saying that Returnal is a tech breakthrough and one of the years best looking games. I'm very sorry if you all have a shit taste and can't see good graphics even if they bite you in the ass. No other game on the PS4 looked as good as Bloodborne when it was released. You're all tacky as shit.
GymWolf
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And now we know why for some people vrr would be useless, i mean it is hard not to notice bb shitty performances, but even saying least laggy 30 fps game is downright comedy tbh...
Not trying to be a jackass dude, just different people having wildly different sensibility to uneven framerate...
GymWolf
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Then i'm glad i'm tacky whatever it means, at least i'm not blind
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mcjmetroid
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Oh it's there alright. It's not... THAT bad, the game is perfectly playable. See it was a launch PS4 game and people were used to horrible performance on the PS3 so people generally didn't notice.
They do now.
I love bloodborne all the same but I'd kill for a PC version.
rofif
Banned
it's not comedy.
Play Demons Souls with 30fps lock and then go directly play BB. BB feels way sharper/less laggy.
It is a fact. They sacrificed vsync for faster response.
I was one of the fist vrr adopter. I am an ass about that. But Bloodborne problems are just overblown
GymWolf
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It was not a launch title and launch titles on ps4 had much better perfomances tho.
GymWolf
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Like i said, different sensibility dude, people played dragon dogma on ps3 without a problem, no need to say more than that.
Bb wasn't unplayable like some people say, but it was very flawed indeed.
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MiguelItUp
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Yeaaaaah, my time with it I never noticed anything remotely close to THAT severity. Just sounds like a personal problem/preference, and that's fine, haha.
100%, and same. I still refuse to believe it isn't coming to PS5/PC as a remaster or something at some point. On PC they've ported Days Gone, Horizon, God of War, and the Uncharted trilogy. I can't help but feel like it's tailing behind. I mean, they'd be doing themselves a gigantic disservice if it never happened.
GymWolf
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It's gonna come sooner or later if sony really possess the brand.
There is zero reason to not do that and bb on pc is gonna sell easily 1 mil of copies, EASILY, sony even bought nixxes for pc ports.
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mcjmetroid
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Ok close to launch then, I'm going on memory and perhaps it was a European launch game or something. Not really sure what we're arguing about here but I agree the performance isn't perfect and certainly not by todays standards but its an excellent looking game all the same and absolutely a generation step ahead of the dark souls games at the time.
MiguelItUp
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Exactly! Sony buying Nixxes said 1000 words.
The second I logged into the world of Elden Ring, the first thing that crossed my mind was "I wish it had the graphical fidelity Demons soul". Demons Soul Remake completely ruined the soul series for me. I was soo captivated by demons soul Graphics and gameplay I went and purchase the Dark Souls series and bloodborne only to find out they are the same game with terrible performance and graphical fidelity. I stopped playing dark souls halfway through and bloodborne was literally a slide show. I simply could not get immersed in them like Demons Soul. I really hope sony makes a sequel to Demons souls.
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Fess
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Is there a performance patch? I played it for maybe an hour years ago and got motion sick and haven't touched it since. Digital Foundry had several videos detailing it's problems too, iirc it ran at a more or less constant 30fps but had an always uneven frame pacing causing motion to never look smooth.
I'm installing it as we speak though. Will try your DS-BB comparison tonight.
Mister Wolf
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They must save alot of money using that outdated game engine. Reminds me of Falcom using their own game engine instead of UE4 like most jrpg developers opted for.
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Honey Bunny
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Squeenix is a great advert against Japanese devs trying to push the graphics on their proprietary engines lmao
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ToTTenTranz
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I disagree. The team behind Luminous Productions was responsible for one of the best looking gen-8 games, and Forspoken can look really good at times.
DavidGzz
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All of these technically insane games and I'd rather play Dark Souls 3 again with mods over Forza 5, Halo, God of War, Returnal etc. Maybe those guys should focus less on graphics and spend more time making games that are amazing and memorable. There is nothing like the Souls games and Elden Ring will continue the trend. The art style and graphics combined makes for beautiful games. Maybe not technically crazy, but they appeal to my eyes more than most any other game.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
This statement is factually wrong. It has been tested by lots of ppl on youtube and there were so many complaints on gaf and other forums as well. Not only does Bloodborne have frame-skips and jitters, the framerate drops below 30 in a lot of intense fights. Besides who the f would play DeS at 30 when 60 is an option and the visual difference is minimal at best? Ridiculous to say the least.
DaleinCalgary
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Stop living in the past. I like them a lot but times have changed and they are going to need a locked 60 fps and acceptable graphics to be relevant going forward with new consoles out.
mckmas8808
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Why do you seem so upset about this? Miyazaki doesn't seem as upset about this as you are.
tommib
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Alebrije
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I am fine with From's graphic level of its games but will be hard to not miss Demons Souls Remaster graphic quality when playing Elden Ring.
Honestly if From has achived great gameplay mechanics why have not improved thier graphics from PS3 to PS5 at the level of Guerrilla, Naugty Dog, Santa Monica, Capcom, etc
Honestly if From has achived great gameplay mechanics why have not improved thier graphics from PS3 to PS5 at the level of Guerrilla, Naugty Dog, Santa Monica, Capcom, etc
DavidGzz
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Elden Ring could come out at 30fps with frame pacing, a swamp that ran like Blighttown, and the millions of fans that have been there for these games will be playing the shit out of it. There is nothing else like them. Many have attempted and failed.
MastaKiiLA
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It's a nice compliment for Bluepoint. They did a great job with DS.
alabtrosMyster
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Say that to the millenials who do the art and got criticized.
At least with a union they could produce something like this and tell the art director that they will have to accept it as excellent work:
No pressure.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Say that to the millenials who do the art and got criticized.
At least with a union they could produce something like this and tell the art director that they will have to accept it as excellent work:
No pressure.
Represent.
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Good. I dont know why FROM games look so fucking ugly all the time. Step your fucking game up. Ridiculous.
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Honey Bunny
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I'm not talking about how the games looked, I'm talking about the development hell they went through in part because of their engines
RoadHazard
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I don't really mind how it looks (although it's certainly not graphically impressive in any way), but they NEED to get this to a solid 60 on PS5/XSX. Fine, a dropped frame here and there I can live with, but sustained drops to 45-50fps and big stutters are not OK in a game that looks like this running on this hardware.
They really need to ditch that old outdated engine. I realize that would mean redoing a lot of stuff, but it's just gonna hold their games back more and more the longer they wait. It's not an engine capable of modern high end graphics rendering at acceptable performance levels.
They really need to ditch that old outdated engine. I realize that would mean redoing a lot of stuff, but it's just gonna hold their games back more and more the longer they wait. It's not an engine capable of modern high end graphics rendering at acceptable performance levels.
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Team Andromeda
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Well it's seems to made no difference. This game looks like a last gen title at the moment.
